Alright, so your point is that because Iran does not believe mass murder of the Jews existed during WWII, then why would they believe it to be insulting when they poke fun at it.... Hmmm.... I guess since the cartoonist didn't believe the prophet to exist or be of any relevance to this earth, is he justified then? Or maybe, the proper thing to do is act with others feelings in mind. If making fun of the Holocaust did not insult Jews heavily, this cartoon contests would not have been on the topic it was on.
Exactly, I was speaking about freedom of the press as well. An Iranian journalist arrested and killed suspiciously because he reports on secret torture prisons is not exactly the model for a country to hold.
The only thing I dislike is a cartoon contest poking fun at the deaths of others. Obviously your trying to condone the cartoon mimicking Jews deaths because your obvious dislike to wards them. If not, then why else defend Iran, unless you support the cartoonist who draws your prophet?
Interesting, an army not wanting media to report on a battle while it is in progress for fear of the media revealing their positions ect, to enemies. If your a novice to understanding a battle, then I assume you would not understand that having a camera show the enemy your movements in battle from the news is not a good strategy to hold.
Israel put a person who commited treason by revealing state secrets in jail. Iran's official punishment for that sort of treason is death. So who is the harsher when it comes to treason?
Oh really?!? The world holds a double standard because a cartoon was made by one artist. In response, Iran creates a state sponsered contest! But Iran does not hold the doubles standard? Crazy... What if Denmark created a cartoon contest to make fun of your prophet? Would Iran use this logic to hate on the Jews more. Hmmm.... Denmark insults your prophet... so you insult Jews... makes sense... What logic! You obviously finished very high in your class!!!!
Now this is plain funny. I didn't care? Are you a stalker? How do you know that I did not care? I actually felt it was a very insulting cartoon to a lot of people and had no place in a newspaper or anywhere for that matter. The same religion I defended for so long, now advocates attacking my faith, and resorting to "retaliation" by attacking the Jews and insulting a very serious event in their history.
A sad occurence of events.
I never said the west is perfect in democracy, but if you would like to view the amount of freedoms its citizens have compared to governments like and similar to Iran... well... maybe you should save yourself the embrassment, and me the time of compling a very long post full of proofs, facts and statistics (which in nature would save you time from trying to figure out a way to disprove facts.)
Odd, your assuming that because a certain group protests with millions they are a majority suddenly. If you are refering to Bush, the majority did elect him did they not? In 2008, the majority will again elect a president liberal or conservative. Until then, they elected him agreeing to let him serve 4 years. Therefore, because a certain group advocates leaving Iraq, does that mean the majority does? No.
Yet in Iran, when a student activist protests about secret torture chambers and gets arrested and killed, he isn't even given the right to protest. He is just killed, stripped of his freedom.
Comon now. your last post PROVES your OBVIOUS bias and double standards. You see it as treason, yet when Iran tells the world it isnt hiding anything, and invited UN inspectors, and is even going to let tourists view the nuclear sites, yet...no, they are making nuclear weapons. What gives the world the right to stick its nose into Irans buisness, when we havent got the right to know that Israel is producing warheads and arming upto its Teeth.loool
And yes, i do defend the cartoonist who drew the pictures of the Prophet. I think it was wrong in my belief. Yet, we live in a society that says you have freedom of speech, and freedom of press, so ill abide by those laws. I might get offended, i might not like it, but thats it. I wont let my personal feelings be the reason why the rest of the world has to respect my beliefs. Dont respect my beliefs, that has nothing to do with me,.lol..
I was referring to the fact that 50% of people approximately went out to vote in the UK elections. And from that only about 52% voted in labour. That means that a government was voted in by about 25% of the country. Not a majority. So, surely when a couple of million people go out and protest, and the UN says the war was Illegal. The government goes against the advice of its, well..advisors, youd think to yourself, wait a minute, maybe not everybody wants this war.
And your point the Israeli censorship was terrible. Honestly, at least read the source first. It didnt say that the reporters should be allowed access to the IDFs military plans, which were a shambles either way, but whereas all the bombings in lebanon were being shown, everywhere, no censorship. Israel didnt allow its own Haaretz reporters to access areas that had been bombed by the opposition. The point of the article at the end was that Israel didnt want to show the world that in reality, it was losing the war. (Israel's own Defence Minister accepted defeat..)
Have you not heard about the Venezeulan conspiracy by the CIA to get rid of Chavez? If not, that is one of the biggest signs that America is infact controlling its media so well that all you get fed is what it wants you to learn. Have you not heard of the thousands of books that are banned in the US/UK and various other countries in the world? Ok, i just wrote a point out, and deleted it, because i think i know too much, MI6 will be knocking on my door soon. lool. No media censorship?
And funny, you backed up your original conspiracy about activists going into prisons and dying randomly, by another conspiracy, that reporters reporting this incident are also killed, because Iran sees this as treason!?loool..
The point i disagree with the most is that i am against jews in any way. No way. Thats complete rubbish. I have respect for the jewish faith. I respect its prophets, messengers and holy book. This isnt a religious discussion, its a political one. I could just easily say that Iran is an Islamic Republic and therefore you hate it for that reason. Im not basing my ideas on what the Torah says, but rather on the West. Israel isnt a religious state officially, and most Western countries as secular. I honestly dont think this is a religious debate.
Either way, so you dont think im running away from the issue, i really am not into this online debating thing, and i think its pretty useless most of the time, so ill read your next comment, but this is going way off topic, and im not going to continue to argue, especially if you feel that i am doing this out of anti-semitism (despite the fact that that isnt politically correct, because Muslims believe they are semetic also to some extent). You also failed to realise that im not agreeing with the cartoons. I dont think it was the way to go about it, and if you dont like something being done to you, then you shouldnt do it to others just to rub it in. And yeh, like i said, if the cartoonist didnt think that the Prophet (pbuh) existed, fine! im not saying he has to. yet, if we want to apply the freedom of speech/press law universely, that also gives anybody else the right to deny the Hollocaust.
Im trying to get to the fact that. When it is to do with the Hollocaust, you cant have free speech, even when you arent intending to cause offence. I mean if somebody doesnt think the hollocaust happened, why cant he express his views if somebody who wants to mock the prophet of Islam has a right to do that? That, i think shows the obvious double-standards in the World. Islam is in a weak state, so who cares. Jews, relatively, are in a good powereful position (in my opinion), so lets be careful what we say.
Let me repeat it again. I am not saying i agree with Iran on its stance on the Hollocaust. I do not agree with the cartoons on both fronts, personally. I am sincerely sorry if you felt i was attacking your religion, that wasnt my intention, and i know that intention isnt important sometimes if you do end up causing offence, so i am truely sorry.
Take care
Peace.
