American Muslims, who will you vote for in US elections?

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blackjubba said:
Voting in Democratic elections is haram. If anyone wants the proof, I will post it for you. But the scholars, in short, have ruled that it is haram to vote for a system and for people who legislate by other than what Allah and His Messenger (Salallahu Alyhe wa Sallam) have ordained. I know many people will put forth the arguement that we live in a democratic society, but the does not excuse us from our loyalty to Allah and His Messenger (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) have told us to do and what we should avoid.
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I have no doubt that what I have put in red is correct. Now, the question is what about in a system where the people have the right to introduce Islamic law as a voting proposistion. Which is what is possible under modern Democracy. If a proposistion were introduced on a US ballot to change the constitution to Sharia law would Muslims be forbidden to vote for it?
 
Woodrow said:
I have no doubt that what I have put in red is correct. Now, the question is what about in a system where the people have the right to introduce Islamic law as a voting proposistion. Which is what is possible under modern Democracy. If a proposistion were introduced on a US ballot to change the constitution to Sharia law would Muslims be forbidden to vote for it?
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good point.. sorry I cant give you reps this time ... it ask me to spread to others first...
 
north_malaysian said:
USA just picked one muslim man to be a congressman.... just wait and see...
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I live in the USA and I don't have to wait and see. I already know that the answer is no. The USA talks about freedom of choice to the rest of the world, but here, they actually try and stop us from practicing the Sunnah. Trust me. The Prophet (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) told us not to imitate a people, or we are of them. Go to msn.com and take a look at the picture of the Brother who won office. Does he look like a muslim who follows the sunnah, or does he look the part of the office he was trying to win? If I was running for office, I would still have my beard and I would still dress according to the Sunnah. Why? Because Allah has told us so.
 
blackjubba said:
I live in the USA and I don't have to wait and see. I already know that the answer is no. The USA talks about freedom of choice to the rest of the world, but here, they actually try and stop us from practicing the Sunnah. Trust me. The Prophet (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) told us not to imitate a people, or we are of them. Go to msn.com and take a look at the picture of the Brother who won office. Does he look like a muslim who follows the sunnah, or does he look the part of the office he was trying to win? If I was running for office, I would still have my beard and I would still dress according to the Sunnah. Why? Because Allah has told us so.
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Apparantly you do not live in Austin. Here we are making large inroads into changes in the city. The Mosques are growing at a fast rate. Reverts are on the increase and soon we will be in need of new Mosques. So far we have not had any Muslims run for public office that I know of, but it is just a matter of time and it will be Muslims with beards and who follow the Sunnah.

The University of Texas here (A State College) has an entire Islamic Department dedicated to such things as Qur'anic studies and Sharia law, all taught by Islamic scholars.

Islamic Studies
The Islamic Studies Program at The University of Texas offers a unique bachelor's degree program. The program includes core courses on Islamic Studies while allowing students the flexibility to choose from a broad selection of related courses in Islam and Muslim society offered in a variety of departments. The course of study is designed for students who plan to continue their education at the graduate level in Islamic Studies or related disciplines, as well as for students who are interested in obtaining this BA before going on to other fields or professions. The university also allows for a dual major program with Islamic Studies as one of the majors. While the program currently offers a BA, a graduate program is currently being developed.
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Source: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/mes/islamic/
 
blackjubba said:
I live in the USA and I don't have to wait and see. I already know that the answer is no. The USA talks about freedom of choice to the rest of the world, but here, they actually try and stop us from practicing the Sunnah. Trust me. The Prophet (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) told us not to imitate a people, or we are of them. Go to msn.com and take a look at the picture of the Brother who won office. Does he look like a muslim who follows the sunnah, or does he look the part of the office he was trying to win? If I was running for office, I would still have my beard and I would still dress according to the Sunnah. Why? Because Allah has told us so.
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Many islamist candidates in various elections in Malaysia, Indonesia, Egypt, Palestine and Turkey ...do look like the brother who won in US election ... NO PROBLEM...
 
Woodrow said:
Apparantly you do not live in Austin. Here we are making large inroads into changes in the city. The Mosques are growing at a fast rate. Reverts are on the increase and soon we will be in need of new Mosques. So far we have not had any Muslims run for public office that I know of, but it is just a matter of time and it will be Muslims with beards and who follow the Sunnah.

The University of Texas here (A State College) has an entire Islamic Department dedicated to such things as Qur'anic studies and Sharia law, all taught by Islamic scholars.



Source: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/mes/islamic/
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As you're so positive for Muslims trying to represent themselves in American society ... I have to say 'Bravo!' to you...
 
I voted for a Republican for governor, democrat for Senate and Republican for House of Reps.
 
north_malaysian said:
As you're so positive for Muslims trying to represent themselves in American society ... I have to say 'Bravo!' to you...
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It is simply that as people become aware as to what Muslims really are, they discover that we are for the very same goals and standards that most Americans want for their children to have. the people just want the choice for it to be their decision and not forced upon them.

The loose morals picture is the image posted around the world, but the majority of Americans have very high standards of morality and modest dress. In spite of the movies, drunkeness and nudity are frowned upon by most Americans.

People are unaware of the stiff drinking laws we have here in Texas. In Texas a person can be arrested for Public Intoxication on the arresting oficers belief that the person is intoxicated. No minimum amount of alcohol is required and any amount, no matter how small is sufficient for a conviction. There are also the open container laws. It is illegal to have an open container of any alcoholic beverage except on private property.
 
Woodrow said:
It is simply that as people become aware as to what Muslims really are, they discover that we are for the very same goals and standards that most Americans want for their children to have. the people just want the choice for it to be their decision and not forced upon them.

The loose morals picture is the image posted around the world, but the majority of Americans have very high standards of morality and modest dress. In spite of the movies, drunkeness and nudity are frowned upon by most Americans.

People are unaware of the stiff drinking laws we have here in Texas. In Texas a person can be arrested for Public Intoxication on the arresting oficers belief that the person is intoxicated. No minimum amount of alcohol is required and any amount, no matter how small is sufficient for a conviction. There are also the open container laws. It is illegal to have an open container of any alcoholic beverage except on private property.
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Is it true... there is a state law (which state .. I dont remember).. where it's an offence to bite other people's burger?
 
thirdwatch512 said:
no, but i think that saying it's wrong for people to discriminate against muslims but it's all right to discriminate against gays is just crazy. why pick? why not be tolerant of ALL?
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there is a fine line between tolerance and support

Even though I do not agree with gays, I tolerate them just as I tolerate all other people living around me. I just wouldn't feel right supporting something I am against. And just so you know, I'm the type of person that gets along with pretty much everyone no matter their beliefs. But I don't support everyone's beliefs.
 
north_malaysian said:
Is it true... there is a state law (which state .. I dont remember).. where it's an offence to bite other people's burger?
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There are very many state and local laws that are very strange and often misunderstood. Here in Texas the City of Goliad has an ordinace that makes it illegal for a man to wear his pants in his boots unless he owns at least 2 cows. With a lot of these old laws the reason behind them is no longer known. Most of them "blue" laws are no longer enforced. we have many different levels of law. There are ordinaces, local laws, State laws and Federal laws. Many of the local laws carry very small penalties if any and do not become part of a criminal record. We also have a big seperation between civil and criminal law. A community has the right to pass it's own laws as long as they do not violate any State or Federal laws and do not discriminate against anyone on the basis of Race, religion or national origin. Such as many Towns and even counties outlaw the sale of alcohol. Some areas have outlawed public smoking.

Looking at the Election results this morning the Democrats appear to have a majority of the seats in the House of representatives.
 
I believe this election was about a return to the middle. The Republican base showed up to vote where they were supposed to, but the independent voters seemed to have voted the other way this election as opposed to the last one. I think this election was a good thing for the country, not because I supported a Democrat takeover of Congress, but because things might actually get done in the legislature if gridlock can be avoided.
 
Woodrow said:
Apparantly you do not live in Austin. Here we are making large inroads into changes in the city. The Mosques are growing at a fast rate. Reverts are on the increase and soon we will be in need of new Mosques. So far we have not had any Muslims run for public office that I know of, but it is just a matter of time and it will be Muslims with beards and who follow the Sunnah.

The University of Texas here (A State College) has an entire Islamic Department dedicated to such things as Qur'anic studies and Sharia law, all taught by Islamic scholars.



Source: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/mes/islamic/
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sorry to say, but us austinites are just wayy too liberal to become muslim! and i haven't seen an increase in muslims at all.. i don't even know where a mosque is! i know there's an islamic school in manor, but that's about all.

now when i went to the new round rock premium outlets, there were lots of muslims there once.. a ton.. but that was the only time i saw any.

i think you guys are going to be surprised when muslim youth become adults.. the muslim youth i know.. are about as liberal as it gets!!
 
thirdwatch512 said:
sorry to say, but us austinites are just wayy too liberal to become muslim! and i haven't seen an increase in muslims at all.. i don't even know where a mosque is! i know there's an islamic school in manor, but that's about all.

now when i went to the new round rock premium outlets, there were lots of muslims there once.. a ton.. but that was the only time i saw any.

i think you guys are going to be surprised when muslim youth become adults.. the muslim youth i know.. are about as liberal as it gets!!
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sorry to say, but us austinites are just wayy too liberal to become muslim! and i haven't seen an increase in muslims at all.. i don't even know where a mosque is! i know there's an islamic school in manor, but that's about all.
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Nobody is expecting Austinites to become Muslim. There is no compulsion by us for them to be. We are simply pleased that Austinites are liberal enough to view us as people with equal rights and we do not feel discriminated against here.

There are 5 main Mosques in Austin. The Islamic School and Center is also the location of the largest Mosque.

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think you guys are going to be surprised when muslim youth become adults.. the muslim youth i know.. are about as liberal as it gets!![/
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No surprise. Actually you will discover that in regards to acceptance of non-Muslims we are very liberal. We do not believe in forcing Islam upon others. We just do not want other beliefs forced upon us either. I do not see any problems Muslims and Non-Muslims will have with each other here in Austin.
Our Muslim youth are attending the Public schools and have had no problems. Many are curious about non-Muslims, but the Mosques do have a large number of youth members, that are very dedicated to the love of Allah(swt)

The current Muslim population here was estimated at 5,000 in 1990, I am quite certain it is now much larger.

MUSLIMS. Texas has the eighth-largest Muslim population in the United States. In 1990 there were approximately 140,000 Muslims in Texas, which represented 0.7 percent of the state population and 2.8 of the total Muslim population in the United States. Most Muslims are concentrated in the urban centers of the state. Houston has some twenty-two Islamic centers and mosques and a Muslim population of 57,000, and Dallas has fifteen centers and 30,000 Muslims. The Muslim population is 4,000 in Fort Worth and 3,000 in Arlington. Austin and San Antonio each have 5,000, El Paso has 1,500, and there are small Muslim communities in Bryan-College Station, Corpus Christi, and Kingsville. Among the more prominent Islamic organizations in the state are the Muslim Students Association, the Islamic Society of North America, the Muslim Arab Youth Association, the Islamic Circle of North America, and the Al Quaran-Was-Sunnah Society.
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Source:http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/MM/irmxh.html

as you can see a significant Muslim population does not equate into any threat for the non-Muslims and like you have said we are not really noticed as being a different part of Austin residents. I believe we have mixed in very well. Much of this is because of the accepting, kind nature of Austinites.
 
oh yes, and i think liberal austin should be an example of how working together solves problems and doesn't create. here in austin, you can be gay, illegal, criminal, muslim, jew, hindu, sikh, baha'i, whoever, and you are accepted with no stares. in dallas on the other hand, it wouldn't be surprising to see mosques be destructed by grafitti and all. and in dallas muslims and non muslims don't get along, and there's all kinds of problems. here in austin though.. we are tolerant of all, and non muslims and muslims live peacefully together.

liberalism is the way to go! lol
 
thirdwatch512 said:
oh yes, and i think liberal austin should be an example of how working together solves problems and doesn't create. here in austin, you can be gay, illegal, criminal, muslim, jew, hindu, sikh, baha'i, whoever, and you are accepted with no stares. in dallas on the other hand, it wouldn't be surprising to see mosques be destructed by grafitti and all. and in dallas muslims and non muslims don't get along, and there's all kinds of problems. here in austin though.. we are tolerant of all, and non muslims and muslims live peacefully together.

liberalism is the way to go! lol
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I think it should be clarified that liberalism does not have to equate with public lewdness or obscenities. Austin is a very clean city with little abuse of freedom. Many Austinites if not the majority are deeply religious and do promote high morality. A benefit of a liberal city, we have the right to be as religiously conservative as we desire, with no interference.

I have not been in Austin very long. But, my daughter and her family have been here for over ten years and they appreciate the freedom to worship as they choose, with no outside influences to do otherwise. Many of my Muslim Brothers moved here from Dallas for that reason. Not all of the Dallas area is bad, the Garland region is becoming much like Austin. It is a simple concept, and it works. there is no need for Non-Muslims to be anti Muslim or for Muslim to be anti-NonMuslim. we will never agree on our religions, but we can agree not to harm each other.
 
austin is religious? hah, i wouldn't necessarily say that, as a lot of my friends are atheist/agnostic, or non religious.

yeah, and i don't have a problem with muslims.. [REMOVED] and i hate how some muslims are very intolerant. but still, not all muslims are like that.


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thirdwatch512 said:
austin is religious? hah, i wouldn't necessarily say that, as a lot of my friends are atheist/agnostic, or non religious.

yeah, and i don't have a problem with muslims.. [REMOVED] and i hate how some muslims are very intolerant. but still, not all muslims are like that.


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That is true. However, that is a true statement for all religions. I have met more then one fundamentalist Christian, Jew and whatever that was a bit on the intolerant side.
 
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