Eating Pizza In Non Halal Parlours Is It Not Haram

[Az969]

Assala Mu Alaikum

Dear Brothers & Sister


My question relates to this topic here http://www.eathalal.org/pizza_hut.htm

What i want to know is, is it halal to eat pizza in non muslim restaurents, the reason for asking is that we used to love eating pizza's from many different places and including pizza huts.


But on one occasion i was at one of these outlets and discovered that the person/persons preparing pizza was preparing an order for other customers before me, who had ordered non halal meat pizza ie: with pork ham and other ingredients and just after he completed those orders he was about to prepare mine and WHAT I noticed was that he was using his hand although wearing gloves and picking all the ingridients one after the other IE: Vegs to meats without washing his hands or changing the gloves.


My point is, this person preparing pizzas obviously he was using his contaminated hands to prepare vegetarian pizza and non vegatrian one, and therefore this makes NON halal to eat because of contamination with other ingridieants is very much possible.


These people preparing pizzas do not wash or change there gloves after each preparation and HAVE no time to do so.


When i saw that in front of me, i cancelled my order and since than i do eat in any non halal pizza parlours.


PS: I see many fellow muslims go to these places to eat and to my judgement they are not aware of this problem.


Your views on this subject would be appreciated.


Salams

Aslam

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Oh wow, i didnt take note of that. good eye lol. well id be in doubt of eating and definitely avoid it. Can't u tell them this? I dont see why u cant lol.

 

[Umar001]

I personally would eat at pizza hut or mcdonald or other places were it not for the fact that if muslims saw me they would think bad of me.

That's the only reason that stops me.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

well well well

thats like me saying eatin halal food on the street is haraam, because there non halal shops round

it makes the contamination possible, but it dont mean the contamination happens

i think we gotaa analyse thins more, instead of listenin to sum imams who got nuttin betta to do, so dey label nearly everythin haraam

but maybe eatin pizza like that is haraam, Allah (swt) knows best

 

[Mu'Min]

You know I've noticed this aswell not just with pizza but everywhere. I think it's best to just avoid it!kay:

 

[chacha_jalebi]

I personally would eat at pizza hut or mcdonald or other places were it not for the fact that if muslims saw me they would think bad of me.

That's the only reason that stops me.

bro dont give a crap wot people think of you

i remem this butifull sayin of Hadhrat Umar (ra)

he said "even if a man is as straight as a arrow, people will still find faults in him" its human nature to find faults in each other, insted of lookin at there own faults

so dont care wot people think, only care what Allah (swt) thinks of you

now after hearin that you can take me maccy d

 

[Mu'Min]

bro dont give a crap wot people think of you

i remem this butifull sayin of Hadhrat Umar (ra)

he said "even if a man is as straight as a arrow, people will still find faults in him" its human nature to find faults in each other, and look at there own faults

so dont care wot people think, only care what Allah (swt) thinks of you

now after hearin that you can take me maccy d

True that! I agree with you 100%! This world don't matter... don't fear their opinions about you, it's all about what your Lord thinks!

 

[Umar001]

Imam Bukhari had something like 1000 pounds, and told this man about it, now they were both on a boat on a journey, the next morning the man starts screaming and shouting and saying someone took his money, a 1000 pounds, so everyone will look for it, Imam Bukhari throws his money away, over seas, and later the man asks Imam Bukhari what did you do with the money and Imam Bukhari said he threw it away and the man could not understand how Imam Bukhari was able to just throw it away, how he was so calm. And Imam Bukhari said that he didnt want his reputation and all his works and books to be ruiend because of this.

NOTE THE ABOVE IS A VERY ROUGH NARRATION, IF YOU WANT IT I WILL TYPE IT UP FROM A BOOK WHEN I FIND IT

So you see, I rather preserve my reputation in the community and I rather help my brothers and not give them a reason to think bad about me!

As for the Hadeeth quoted,
"even if a man is as straight as a arrow, people will still find faults in him"

I agree, and people will always find faults, but its not a reason for me to leave an open door for them to find some.



Now lets not diviate from the thread insha'Allah

 

[Mu'Min]

Alright I got you... so here's my question....
do you just not eat at those places because you're afraid ppl will think badly of you, or you just don't like the food?

 

[Umar001]

Alright I got you... so here's my question....
do you just not eat at those places because you're afraid ppl will think badly of you, or you just don't like the food?

If there is an option for me to eat at a place where there will be no chance of any muslim genuinly disliking my action, i.e. thinking that I'm commiting sin by going there, and a place where there is a chance that some brothers will think I am commiting sin by eating from that place.

Then I will leave the place which would arouse doubt in my brother's mind with regards to me sinning and eat in a place of which noone has doubt.

Hope that answers.

 

[Mu'Min]

Not really, I mean just give me a yes or no answer...
Would you eat there if people wouldn't judge you wrongfully?

 

[Umar001]

Not really, I mean just give me a yes or no answer...
Would you eat there if people wouldn't judge you wrongfully?

Yes

 

[Mu'Min]

What:? So, you're only not eating there because others will think badly of you? Correct?

 

[Malaikah]

Am I missing something... shouldnt the title read IS HARAM? lol

 

[Umar001]

Am I missing something... shouldnt the title read IS HARAM? lol

Lol

What:? So, you're only not eating there because others will think badly of you? Correct?

Yes, I chose to eat at places where other muslims would not think am sinning.

 

[Az969]

well well well

thats like me saying eatin halal food on the street is haraam, because there non halal shops round

it makes the contamination possible, but it dont mean the contamination happens

i think we gotaa analyse thins more, instead of listenin to sum imams who got nuttin betta to do, so dey label nearly everythin haraam

but maybe eatin pizza like that is haraam, Allah (swt) knows best

Sorry brother, But after seeing what happend in front of my eyes, it would make me an ignorant person to go back there, and my IMAN does not allow me to do so.


Just to clarify there was an article in my local paper that non muslim lady had ordered vegetarian pizza and to her amazement she discovered ham and other meat extract in here pizza obviously for her is ok to consume, but she did dispute against it and the outlet apolozied and offered her vouchers as compensation.


But should it happend to us WOULD that make it halal for us? WOULD you still eat there, this is straight from a person who had experienced the problem and not some imam telling congregsation to avoid such outlets.


Sorry to be blunt but truth is to be told.


Salams
Aslam

 

[Mu'Min]

Well, I'm not trying to be mean, but why are you troubling yourself with their thoughts? I mean, it's not a bad thing to care what ppl think, but it's it all about your niyah? And let me just apologize for if I'm being rude.

 

[Umar001]

Well, I'm not trying to be mean, but why are you troubling yourself with their thoughts? I mean, it's not a bad thing to care what ppl think, but it's it all about your niyah? And let me just apologize for if I'm being rude.

You are my sister,

I haven't thought you have been rude nor have I been offended so please do not apologise.

But I will say, I only think about what other people think of me, because I see that to be a quality of people before me, how would you act towards a sister whom you thought did haram all the time? Different, totally different than if you thought she did halal all the time. Any sensible person would not take their religion from someone who they feel any doubt about. I don't want to cause doubt in any of my brothers or sisters about me and my deen, so I hope that they all think good of me, insha'Allah.

 

[Umar001]

Assalamu aleykum Brother,

I hope all is well, and I hope you don't mind me asking you a couple of questions based on the statement below, even though it was not directed at me.

But after seeing what happend in front of my eyes, it would make me an ignorant person to go back there, and my IMAN does not allow me to do so.

If you out of your own piety feel that it is best to be avoided then Alhamdulilah.

Just to clarify there was an article in my local paper that non muslim lady had ordered vegetarian pizza and to her amazement she discovered ham and other meat extract in here pizza obviously for her is ok to consume, but she did dispute against it and the outlet apolozied and offered her vouchers as compensation.


But should it happend to us WOULD that make it halal for us? WOULD you still eat there, this is straight from a person who had experienced the problem and not some imam telling congregsation to avoid such outlets.

There mere fact that the outlet apologised is a sign that it was a mistake which will be avoided in the future.

If I had the experience of seeing a worker not wash his hands, I would ask someone if that is their polocy, if it is not and they rebuke the person, which they should since they claim in their menu that the piza is vegetarian, then I do not see any harm in going there again, since their polocy is to change their gloves and so on, if they say it is not then I would not go there again.

 

[Mu'Min]

You are my sister,

I haven't thought you have been rude nor have I been offended so please do not apologise.

But I will say, I only think about what other people think of me, because I see that to be a quality of people before me, how would you act towards a sister whom you thought did haram all the time? Different, totally different than if you thought she did halal all the time. Any sensible person would not take their religion from someone who they feel any doubt about. I don't want to cause doubt in any of my brothers or sisters about me and my deen, so I hope that they all think good of me, insha'Allah.

Alright, I'm glad you feel that way. And thanks for not understanding why I feel the way I do.