HELP!judgement of disabled? And others

[One Man Army]

Im new to this forum.

im very confused on many issues. i was wondering if my brothers and sisters could help me out.

i was recently asked by a buddist about why people are born disabled, or why do babies die strait after being born!! i couldnt find an answer in islam for this. as how can these people be judged. what if they where born into a christian family! and why are so many muslims people disabled?? this doesnt make sense to me.

he replied with in his religion they say its down to past deeds, of reincarnation. karma.

please help! i looked rather dumb struck when he askd me! :?

 

[united]

Re: HELP!judgement of disabled?

it happens because it is Allahs will.
these people see disabled people in a negative light (and many people abuse these people) but in Islam disabled people are very dear to Allah and paradise is gauranteed for them

 

[The Ruler]

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it is a test for us brother...being disabled, being born in a non-muslim family, babies dying straight after death...they are tests for us...alot of people lose their faith hating what has just happened to them...they lose their imaan...but if we stay steadfast in our imaan and stay strong at times of distress, Allh would reward us abundantly insha'allah

there's a hadith on the reward of parents being paradise if they are patient even when their baby dies...i'll post it up insha'allah

 

[One Man Army]

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but why are these people more dear then any other? what could they do to get in this position? i thought all are born sinless. why is it that someone born normal some one disabled?

 

[united]

Re: HELP!judgement of disabled?

we are all innocent when born. however we all grow up and mature. these peope do grow but do not mature which means that they are in effect still children. and all children go to heaven

 

[The Ruler]

Re: HELP!judgement of disabled?

but why are these people more dear then any other? what could they do to get in this position? i thought all are born sinless. why is it that someone born normal some one disabled?

we are not talking about sins here...why are some born normal and others disabled?...well if a person is normal, they face a lot of challenges and tests and they have to go through them with patience...and the same thing applies to the disabled person...it is a test for him/her...it could have been that if the disabled person was normal, they may not have bee able to go through the tests that a normal person faces...Allah gives what is best for that person and Allah knows best

i am still searching for the hadith but cant find it yet

 

[The Ruler]

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i found the hadith:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Some women requested the Prophet to fix a day for them as the men were taking all his time. On that he promised them one day for religious lessons and commandments. Once during such a lesson the Prophet said, "A woman whose three children die will be shielded by them from the Hell fire." On that a woman asked, "If only two die?" He replied, "Even two (will shield her from the Hell-fire)."

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

as above (the sub narrators are different). Abu Huraira qualified the three children referred to in the above mentioned Hadith as not having reached the age of committing sins (i.e. age of puberty) .

the reward is great isnt it

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[Muhammad]

Re: HELP!judgement of disabled?



Please see the following thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/16896-why-has-allah-disabled-children.html

 

[One Man Army]

Re: HELP!judgement of disabled?

i find these answers unfitting. it doesnt make sence. why would another soul be dearer to allah over mine? what would make allah love another more? why would they be born and die sooner when we are on the same test? is there some sort of life before death then? the buddhist theory of reincarnation fits this so perfectly! why cant islam give me this answer! i dont understand how God will specifically chose certain souls as he loves them more? what will make him love them more?

 

[Muhammad]

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Who said that Allaah loves them more? It is not the length of our life that determines our virtue in the Sight of Allaah, it is what we do in that time. And children who die before the age of puberty are admitted into Paradise without a reckoning. Take a look at these ahadith:

"Whoever buries three children, Allah will forbid the Fire for him." (Saheeh, Tabarani in al-Kabeer, Al-Albani authenticated it in Saheeh Al-Jaami' (6238).)

"There are no two Muslim parents whose three children die before reaching puberty except that Allah will enter them into Paradise due to His mercy to the children. It will be said to them, "Enter the Paradise", so they will say, "Not until our parents enter first". It will be said, "Enter the Paradise you and your parents." (Ahmad, an-Nasaa'i, and Al-Albani authenticated it in Saheeh al-Jaami' (5780).)

"'Whoever iHtasaba (remains content and patient after the death of) three of his offspring will enter Jannah.' A woman said, 'What about two?' He said, 'And two.'" (Saheeh, an-Nasaa'i, Ibn Hibban, authenticated by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Jaami (5969).)

"To no woman three children die and she remains patient and content, except that she will enter Jannah. Or two (children)." (Muslim)

So we see that not only are the children admitted into Paradise, but so are the parents in cases where three children have died. Note that some of the hadith mention the parents being content and patient, and this is another issue that has been mentioned many times: deaths are a trial for the family and a means by which Allaah tests His servants.

And certainly, We shall test you with something of fear, hunger, loss of wealth, lives and fruits, but give glad tidings to As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.). [2:155]

And Allaah Knows best.

 

[- Qatada -]

Re: HELP!judgement of disabled?

i find these answers unfitting. it doesnt make sence. why would another soul be dearer to allah over mine? what would make allah love another more? why would they be born and die sooner when we are on the same test? is there some sort of life before death then? the buddhist theory of reincarnation fits this so perfectly! why cant islam give me this answer! i dont understand how God will specifically chose certain souls as he loves them more? what will make him love them more?

Allaah Almighty tests different people in different ways. You may be disabled physically, but Allaah may give you alot of wisdom. Or you may have lots of wealth, yet not have the looks. Or you may have the looks, but not have the knowledge.


These tests are in different ways, and Allaah Almighty puts us in different situations, but it still is a test. If a person has wealth, Allaah will ask them on how they spent that wealth, whereas someone who never had wealth may be asked how he used his strength, health etc. Whenever Allaah Almighty tests someone, He doesn't burden them with more than they can bear, which is part of the Mercy of Allaah Almighty.



The point you make about buddhist re-incarnation isn't really perfect. Imagine a person was bad all their life, and in their 'next life' they turn into a rat. What does the rat do to become good? Will he say "today i won't steal no cheese." Or will he have the same nature as other rats.



We will be judged by Allaah on everything that we do, the less sins we fall into will be better for our account. Some people may have commited many sins which may have lead them to the hellfire in the hereafter, so Allaah chose to make them disabled. Some may have abused their wealth if they had too much, so Allaah Almighty made them poor. Allaah Almighty is the Most Wise, the All-Knowing.

You cannot say that you know what will happen without a doubt, because it is Allaah who know's the future, so He will give us a means to stay firm on the right path if we are sincere. In the end, we will all return to Allaah Almighty, and He will judge us on all that we did.



Allaah Almighty knows best.



:salamext:
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[Umar001]

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Assalamu Aleykum,

I hope you don't mind me asking a couple of Questions dear brother,

but why are these people more dear then any other?

I don't know what gave you the idea that people are born disabled because Allah loves them more! If this was the case Prophets and Messenger who are beloved to Allah would have been disabled.

what could they do to get in this position?

They didn't do anything to be born disabled!!

i thought all are born sinless.

We are all born sinless, noone is born with sin, disability is not becase someone is loved more or loved less!!

why is it that someone born normal some one disabled?

It is a test of Allah, some are tested in different ways.

i find these answers unfitting. it doesnt make sence. why would another soul be dearer to allah over mine?

Again noone is born disabled because Allah loves them more!

why would they be born and die sooner when we are on the same test?

Everyone is not given the same test paper! People in different circumstances are tested in different ways!

is there some sort of life before death then?

Nope there isn't, people are born, and they are tested, some with disability and some with other things.

the buddhist theory of reincarnation fits this so perfectly! why cant islam give me this answer!

I ask you, when did life start? What were we all born as in the first instance, please answer since the theory of re incarnation is perfect.

Also, what good deed does a frog or a mouse or a chair do?

i dont understand how God will specifically chose certain souls as he loves them more? what will make him love them more?

Again God does not say, 'This person will be disabled because I love him more or less', rather, some people are tested in one way and others in another, and depending how you do on the test, then God will love you!!

 

[One Man Army]

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i have read on certain posts that the disabled are dearer to allah. hence thats y i sed love. anyway. what i still dont understand is why do people get different test papers?how is this determined? why should say for example some one be born a jew, and me a muslim?? you cant just say its a test for allah. how would allah decide this? reincarnation goes to the theory of evolution or something.

 

[- Qatada -]

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ultimate_truth, realise that if any person is sincere - Allaah Almighty will guide them insha'Allaah. I know of many muslims who were born muslim, but they turned away from the religion. Why was this? Probably because they weren't sincere, they didn't like the limitations which Allaah had forbidden them from. Why does Allaah set these limitations? For our own good.

Intoxicants are forbidden because they cloud up the mind and influence people to do haraam. Murder of an innocent soul is forbidden because thats injustice, fornication/adultery is forbidden because it causes confusin within lineages and the child may even feel sad that they don't know who their father is which can cause them psychological harm.



If a jew, christian, hindu, pagan, agnostic etc. is sincere, Allaah Almighty will guide him/her. Allaah will create us in different situations, but these situations will be part of our journey towards Allaah. Some people get distracted in the way, they fall into evil because they are the ones who take that first step into the path of wrong. Allaah has placed it in our fitrah (natural disposition) to do good, so we naturally know what is right or wrong because Allaah has already programmed us that way.

There have been many situations when people from other faiths have become muslim because they realised their character is according to the character which Allaah has programmed us with [in the fitrah.] Others become muslim because they believe in one God, but they find all the faiths confusing. Christians worship Jesus (peace be upon him) and its naturally hard to believe that a human could be God. Other faiths worship idols, or a philosophy, but islaam is the only faith that is purely monotheistic and we worship the Creator - Allaah Almighty, the Lord of the worlds alone, without no partners.




Allaah Almighty know's best.


Peace.

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[One Man Army]

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thank you brother. that is one of the best answers iv heard from a muslim brother. i find it difficult to believe that all kafirs will go 2 hell, as if a muslim is sinning, how will they go to paradise?

here is some text i found on hindus and muslims:

Baba replied to the pilgrim hajis, that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail.

Only by being a Hindu or a Muslim one can not get accepted in the court of the Lord.

As the colour of safflower is impermanent and is washed away in water, likewise the colours of religiosity are also temporary.

(Followers of both the religions) In their expositions, denounce Ram and muhammad.

Yet the whole of the world is following the ways of Satan.

 

[One Man Army]

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http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-beliefs/32078-true-muslim.html#post562028

 

[Umar001]

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assalamu aleykum,

Sorry I have just read that you are new and I forgot to say, welcome, please forgive my mannners

i have read on certain posts that the disabled are dearer to allah. hence thats y i sed love. anyway. what i still dont understand is why do people get different test papers?how is this determined? why should say for example some one be born a jew, and me a muslim?? you cant just say its a test for allah. how would allah decide this? reincarnation goes to the theory of evolution or something.

I understand what you mean, I read what the brother said and I understood taht you understood it that way.

You see, first we should establish, between us, that a undisputed quality of God, or Allah as we call Him, is that he is The Just, so it is not for us to ask 'if ' but 'how'

Meaning, we should not ask, 'If Allah is Just then....' rather our mindstate should be 'Allah is Just, but I dont understand the situation, how does His justice come into place here..'

I say this because you are Muslim so I take it that you already believe Allah is Just.

To move on, how is it that some people are tested with the death of a baby, and some are tested with being disabled and so forth, what is the wisdom behind it?

For the wisdom behind things, we need to understand that we only see a small amount of what is going on, while Allah knows the past, the future and the present, we only know the present, so sometimes our judgement can only be limited, we see this in a story told to us by Allah,

Moses when seeing that a young boy had been killed by his companion said:

(Musa) said: Have you slain an innocent person otherwise than for manslaughter? Certainly you have done an evil thing.

Sounds similar to what some people accuse God of doing, 'how can God kill my child'

But here is the wisdom, explained by the companion of Moses,

And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them:
So we desired that their Lord might give them in his place one better than him in purity and nearer to having compassion.

We see that at the time Moses did not know the reason for the death of the young boy, but it was only because the young boy would later on in his day become a bad person and cause trouble to his parents, nt only that, but his parents could have become disbelievers because they loved the boy so much, so this was done. And the boy inshaAllah is going to be in heaven since he was killed young or so it seems.

Why are some given different test papers? Are 5 year olds tested with the same questions as 11 year olds? Are 11 year olds tested with the same questions as 18 year olds? Even though they may all be doing a test on the same subject?

Would it not be unfair if you sat a 5 year old child who had never been to a maths class to do a math test of a 18 year old?

Again you must remember noone will be sent to the fire unless they have been warned in one way or another, so whether they are Muslim or Jew or Christian is of no concern, if the Muslim does not take heed of the warning then he will be punished if the Jew does not take heed of the warning he will be punished if the Christian does not take heed of the warning he will be punished.

 

[- Qatada -]

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thank you brother. that is one of the best answers iv heard from a muslim brother. i find it difficult to believe that all kafirs will go 2 hell, as if a muslim is sinning, how will they go to paradise?

here is some text i found on hindus and muslims:

Baba replied to the pilgrim hajis, that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail.

Only by being a Hindu or a Muslim one can not get accepted in the court of the Lord.

As the colour of safflower is impermanent and is washed away in water, likewise the colours of religiosity are also temporary.

(Followers of both the religions) In their expositions, denounce Ram and muhammad.

Yet the whole of the world is following the ways of Satan.

:salamext:



I'm really happy you're interested to find out sincerely alhamdulillah (praise be to Allaah.)



First of all, Allaah Almighty has created us so we worship Him Alone.

The Noble Qur'an - Az-Zaariyaat 51:56
And I (Allâh) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone).



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We worship Allaah alone because this is the purpose of our creation. Worship doesn't just mean continously fasting, praying etc. But having good manners, helping the needy, fasting, praying, spreading the purpose of life (of worshipping the Creator) etc. are all forms of worship. Even stuff like working to gain money to support your family, or to place a morsel of food in your wife's mouth is a form of worship as long as the person has the right intention.


This comes upto the matter of intentions, every person who does an act in this world has an intention right? Some people's intention is to become popular, others to become rich, while others may do it to please another human (maybe Jesus (peace be upon him) for example.) While muslims do it to please the Creator - Allaah Almighty, because He has told us that we worship Him alone, and that is our purpose of creation.



Whoever does an act with a certain intention, Allaah Almighty out of His Mercy may allow that person to have what they strived for. So a person who wants to take the path of evil, the person may work hard to strive to do that (i.e. the Mafia, gangleader etc.) the person is sincere to go down the path of evil, maybe to gain 'respect' - while another person may be sincere in wanting to do good to please the Creator, Allaah Almighty - so Allaah will make it easy for him to go down the path of good.

The muslim had the intention to please Allaah, while the non muslim did it for this world only. Because the disbeliever rejected the hereafter, or only preferred this life over the hereafter - they will only get this world. If a person strives for this world and the hereafter - they may be rewarded in both worlds.



But this depends on who you did the action for. The non muslim may have done the act for Jesus (peace be upon him) even though Allaah has created us so we worship Him alone. Allaah forgives us all sins except someone associating partners with Him.

If a person did it for Jesus, the person would expect a reward from Jesus (peace be upon him) right? So Allaah Almighty on the day of judgement will ask the people to ask the one they did the actions for to be rewarded from them, because they never did it for Allaah alone did they? They did it for someone else, so they should get the reward off that other deity too right?



No-one besides Allaah will reward the creation that day, so Jesus (peace be upon him) won't be benefitting the person, infact Jesus (peace be upon him) will be against that person because they did it for someone else besides Allaah, and Jesus (peace be upon him) was the one who called to the worship of Allaah alone. So Allaah Almighty will reward the one's who did it purely for His sake, and the one's who did it for someone elses sake - their deeds will be in vain because they can't get reward off that thing now.


However, Allaah Almighty may give that person what they wanted in this world, so if a non muslim strived for popularity, they may have a share of it in this world, but not in the hereafter. Whereas Allaah will give goodness to the believer in this life and the hereafter because Allaah Almighty is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him, the Lord of the Worlds.




Allaah Almighty knows best.



You got any questions, please don't be afraid to ask insha'Allaah.



Peace.







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[One Man Army]

Re: HELP!judgement of disabled?

i think my post refers to exactly what you are talking about:

As the colour of safflower is impermanent and is washed away in water, likewise the colours of religiosity are also temporary.

(Followers of both the religions) In their expositions, denounce Ram and muhammad.

i think it is important to follow what ever religion you belong to. but follow whole heartedly. and like you sed my brother. follow the source!! (allah)!

 

[One Man Army]

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i would also like to apologise for my profile stating that i am a muslim!! this is a mistake. i currently dont belong to any religion, however am conducting alot of research to see what path i want to follow!!

please forgive me for giving wrong impression!!