Muhammad (pbuh) a human?

[H4RUN]

Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) cousin of the holy prophet (Allah's Grace and Peace be upon Him) says in the commentary of the verse 35 from chapter 24: Sura Noor. "The similitude of the Noor (Light) of Allah is Noor (light) of the Holy Prophet (Allah's Grace and Peace be upon Him), when he was in the backs of ancestors". (Tafseer-e-Ibne Abbas)


And the business of 'light'

"O people of the Scripture! Now has Our Messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which you used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. Now has come unto you Light from Allah and a plain scripture whereby Allah guides him who seeks His good pleasure unto paths of peace. He brings them out of darkness unto light by His decree, and guides them unto a straight path." 5:15-16


"Then those who believe in him (Muhammad), and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him, they are the Successful. 7:157

I don't know if im missing something, but to me from the above, the Prophet is being reffered to as the 'light'....

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

Salaam

Indeed the Prophet saaws is a light from Allah but how is that to be understood is the dispute.

The evidence is clear considering the following facts:

Evidence from the Qur’aan:


قَدْ جَاءَكُمْ مِنْ اللَّه نُور وَكِتَاب مُبِين

There has come you from Allah a Light, and a Manifest Book" (Quran 5:15).

Ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet and the most learned in the field of tafaseer says:

رسول يعني محمداً

A messenger meaning Muhammad peace be upon him (Tanweer ul Miqbaas)

See for yourself here: http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp...oraNo=5&tAyahNo=15&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0


Imam Suyuti says about the نُور :


هُوَ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ


"It is the Prophet peace be upon him" (Tafsir al Jalalayn)


see with your own eyes at http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/D...l=arb&nSora=5&nAya=15&taf=GALALEEN&tashkeel=0)


at-Tabari says

يَعْنِي بِالنُّورِ مُحَمَّد صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

He means by the Light: Muhammad peace be upon him (Tafsir Tabari jami` al-bayan)



See for yourself by visiting this site http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/D...0&l=arb&nSora=5&nAya=15&taf=TABARY&tashkeel=0


Furthermore Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan confirms Prophet Muhammad is the light referred to in Surah.5:15 and this is a Salafi Dar us Salam publication!

How are we to understand this?

If we were to look in the Qur’aan at ayah 4:171 we will find that Isa عليه السلام is a spirit from Allah (wa Ruhun minhu) so would it be wrong? shirk? Bidah? kufr? to say that the Holy Prophet صلي اللّه عليه وسلم
is nurun minhu? a light from Allah? According to Dr Muhammad Muhsin Khan the answer is no. Dr Muhsin Khan in his footnote to Surah 4:171 explains:

‘Ruh-ullah: According to the early religious scholars from among the Companions of the Prophet صلي اللّه عليه وسلم and their students and the Mujtahideen, there is a rule to distinguish between the two nouns in the genitive construction:

a) When one of two nouns is Allah, and the other is a person or a thing, e.g Allah’s house (Bayt-ullah); Allah’s Messenger (Rasul-ullah); and Allah’s slave (Abd-ullah); Allah’s spirit (Ruh-ullah), the rule for the above words is the second noun, e.g., house, messenger, slave or spirit is created by Allah and is honorable in His sight, and similarly, Allah’s spirit may be understood as the spirit of Allah, in fact it is a soul created by Allah, i.e. Isa (Jesus)…

b) But when one of the two is Allah and the second is neither a person nor a thing, then it is not a created thing but is a quality of Allah, e.g. Allah’s knowledge (‘Ilm-ullah); Allah’s life (Hayt-ullah); Allah’s statement (Kalam-ullah); Allah’s self and (Dhat-ullah).

(The Noble Qur’an, translated by Muhammad Muhsin Khan, footnote to surah 4: verse 171, Dar us Salam publications)

Therefore, on the strength of the evidence, one simply has to conclude that Muhammad peace be upon him a light from Allah. Howver Muhammad saaws was not made from Allahs personal light because that would be saying that Muhammad is a part of Allah.

And also i am checking surah noor in Ibn Abbas right now and i will get back to you about it.

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

Actually Ibn Abbas says in regards to "the simlitude of His light":

نور المؤمنين ويقال مثل نور الله في قلب المؤمن

The light of faith and saying the likeness of the light of Allah is in a heart of a believer(punch me if i translated it wrong i am not a scholar).

you can see for yourself here http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp...raNo=24&tAyahNo=35&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0

 

[Muhammad]

Regarding Allaah's mentioning of "light", the Q&A which I posted above already mentioned that:

Allaah called His Prophet “light” and a “lamp spreading light” because of the guidance and light with which Allaah sent him, with which Allaah guides all those who answer his call

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):​

“… Indeed, there has come to you a light (Prophet Muhammad

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) and a plain Book (this Qur’aan).” [al-Maa’idah 5:15] ​

As for the verse in Soorah Noor, I checked Tafseer Ibn Katheer, but I did not find such a view stated by Ibn Abbas and instead I found this:​

(The parable of His Light) There are two views concerning the meaning of the pronoun (His). The first is that it refers to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, meaning that the parable of His guidance in the heart of the believer is ​

[كَمِشْكَاةٍ]​

(as a niche) This was the view of Ibn `Abbas. The second view is that the pronoun refers to the believer, which is indicated by the context of the words and implies that the parable of the light in the heart of the believer is as a niche. So the heart of the believer and what he is naturally inclined to of guidance and what he learns of the Qur'an which is in accordance with his natural inclinations are, as Allah says: ​

[أَفَمَن كَانَ عَلَى بَيِّنَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّهِ وَيَتْلُوهُ شَاهِدٌ مِّنْهُ]​

(Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recites it (can they be equal with the disbelievers)) [11:17].

From: http://www.theholybook.org/en/a.47288.html
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[Sunni Student]

I believe he was the first Prophet created and the last Prophet sent.

The evidence for that is that Allah commands the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] to Say in the Holy Quran:

"Wa Ana Awwalul Muslimeen"

So the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] is the first Muslim!

Before I explain how this is proof that the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] was created before any other Prophet.

I would like your respnses on this Ayah, and yes I am aware of what the Tafsirs say about this Ayah

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

I dont think your asking me, then maybe yet again you are.
I believe hes the premordial Prophet not due to the evidence you presented but when the Prophets made a pact with Allah to support Muhammad saaws whilst the Prophets was still just a ruh. Plus theres the hadith on the subject about the Prophet saaws existing whilst Adam was still being fashioned in the clay. The evidence you presented can be argued against due to the fact that many Prophets say in the Qur'aan that they were the first Muslim, i.e, the first to submit from amongst their people. But i know where you are coming from. wasalams

 

[Sunni Student]

I dont think your asking me, then maybe yet again you are.
I believe hes the premordial Prophet not due to the evidence you presented but when the Prophets made a pact with Allah to support Muhammad saaws whilst the Prophets was still just a ruh. Plus theres the hadith on the subject about the Prophet saaws existing whilst Adam was still being fashioned in the clay. The evidence you presented can be argued against due to the fact that many Prophets say in the Qur'aan that they were the first Muslim, i.e, the first to submit from amongst their people. But i know where you are coming from. wasalams

I know not much people try to establish this belief from the Quran!

However you are Incorrect to saying that Other Prophets have said they are the first Muslims!

I challenge anyone to bring one Ayah of the Quran where any other Prophet is told to say that they are the First Muslim!

Its not there, yes Musa has said he is the first Mu'min which is the first to believe, now I hinted to the Tafsirs in my previous posts, now the Tafsirs say that Musa is the first as in the first from his Ummah to believe and The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] is the first to Submit/Surrender to Allah from his Ummah!

Now just tell me who is from the Ummah of Musa and who is from the Ummah of The Prophet Muhammad?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Reflecting on both of the following:

okay 1st and foremost no hadiths to back me up whatsoever, short of time.....

This duniya, this temporary duniya....why was it created? If there was no beloved Prophet there'd be no duniya, it was created for him....just as everything was created from the Nur of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, the nur which was given to him by Allah subhanawata'ala. Why was this done?

Allah swt could just as easily have created everything directly from his own nur....Muhammad pbuh was and is the best of his creations...

If it wasn't for him, there would be no duniya, if it wasn't for him just imagine how much worse off we would be.....

So to have everything created from the nur of Muhammad pbuh which was a portion given by Allah swt to me means that something must have been created, a soul.
So in that essence the soul of Muhammad pbuh was created before anything, and the physical body was to be known to us as the last Prophet....
Allahualim
fiamanAllah

ps. some parts were heard in lectures/khutba's hence quoting may not be entirely correct...

and

Salams poster -

1. Muhammad pbuh is human, but not like us as in our nature. This doesnt imply in anyway he is divine. We are very sinful humans whilst he was the best of creation, an example for us all. No Prophet is a ordinary human being. What is emphaszied is their status with Allah. They have senses that a normal human being can not sense. The Prophet heard and saw things we couldnt.

3. It is mere speculation about the sight and hearing of the Prophet. Whether he can see you and hear you now, that knowledge is with Allah, and by Allahs permission it could be made possible. However! its speculation and there is no scriptual evidence to support their claim. There is a hadith, however, which suggests that our deeds are presented to the Prophet pbuh every friday and there is also the hadith about the angels conveying your Salaam to the Prophet.

Now, I am aware that as a Christian I do not know all that I should know or understand about the Prophet (peace be upon him). So I truly mean no disrespect to him nor to Islam in any of my following comments.

As you write, you recognize the humanness of Muhammad (pbuh). So that is his nature. His nature is human nature the same as any other human. Aren't all prophets ordinary human beings, for there is no such thing as an unordinary human being? But of course he was special. For though the Prophet (pbuh) would have been an ordinary human being, he was blessed by Allah (swt) in extra-ordinary ways. However, he was special because not because of his own nature, but because of his submission to Allah. By his submission we have Allah's nature revealed to us.

You say:

If it wasn't for him, there would be no duniya, if it wasn't for him just imagine how much worse off we would be.....

But Allah has always provided a prophet when the people have needed a prophet. How wonderful that Muhammad (pbuh) was willing to be the servant of Allah. But if he had not been, surely Allah the Almighty could have found and used another human to serve Allah's purposes.

Thus it was Allah that made Muhammad (pbuh) special. It was Allah that gave him the recitations. And it was and is Allah who by Allah's own nature make true all of the other things you said about the Prophet. In honoring the Prophet (pbuh), do not turn it into worship, to pray dua to Muhammad (pbuh) would seem to me to be idolatry. Even if

There is a hadith, however, which suggests that our deeds are presented to the Prophet pbuh every friday and there is also the hadith about the angels conveying your Salaam to the Prophet.

this only suggests that the Prophet (pbuh) is able to hear our prayers. It is still only Allah who can respond to such prayers and therefore it is only Allah to who is worthy of such prayers and to whom they should be addressed.

Yes, Muhammad (pbuh) is special, but to Allah be all the praise.

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

However you are Incorrect to saying that Other Prophets have said they are the first Muslims!

Yes you are correct, dont let it satisfy your nafs though. The truth is that other Prophets in the Qur'aan have declared to be the first of the believers (Mumin or Mumineen) and not Muslim. I was incorrect.

I challenge anyone to bring one Ayah of the Quran where any other Prophet is told to say that they are the First Muslim!

Your challenge cant be met, i searched the Qur'aan for a good 15 minutes and benifitted because now i know how to answer Christian missionaries who claim there is a contradiction in the Qur'aan in regards to this point.

Its not there, yes Musa has said he is the first Mu'min which is the first to believe, now I hinted to the Tafsirs in my previous posts, now the Tafsirs say that Musa is the first as in the first from his Ummah to believe and The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] is the first to Submit/Surrender to Allah from his Ummah!

Valid point, no dispute.

Now just tell me who is from the Ummah of Musa and who is from the Ummah of The Prophet Muhammad?

What do you mean and more over what do you know and how do you know?

My believe:

Muhammad saaws was the first Prophet created and the last Prophet to be sent according to this hadith:

"I was a Prophet when Adam was still between spirit and body." ( Tirmidhi, Ahmad, Hakim and Bukhari in Tarikh.)

 

[Umar001]

"I was a Prophet when Adam was still between spirit and body." ( Tirmidhi, Ahmad, Hakim and Bukhari in Tarikh.)

Is that hadeeth sahih?

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

The Quraanic verse it has connection with is Sahih:

And remember when Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets, saying, ‘Take what I have given you of the Book and the Wisdom and afterwards there will come to you a messenger confirming what is with you; you must them believe in him and help him.’ Allah said, ‘Do you affirm and take up the covenant?’ They said, ‘We affirm.’ He said, ‘Then bear witness, for I am with you amongst those who have bore witness.’ Surah Aali `Imraan 3:81

If we look to the view of scholars such as Imaams Ibn al-Jawzi (his book al-Wafaa'), Qaadi `Iyaad (ash-Shifaa, Ch. 1, p. 48) Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali (Lataa'if al-Ma`aarif, pp. 158-162), Ibn Taymiyyah (Majmu` al-Fataawa, V. 1, pp. 95-97), Ibn ul-Qayyim (Badaa`i ul-Fawaa'id, p. 63) we will see that they believe Muhammad saaws was the first Prophet created and the last Prophet sent.

wasalams

 

[Skillganon]

I got this from Tafsir of ibn Khatir: http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=3&tid=8624

Taking a Pledge From the Prophets to Believe in Our Prophet, Muhammad


Allah states that He took a pledge from every Prophet whom He sent from Adam until `Isa, that when Allah gives them the Book and the Hikmah, thus acquiring whatever high grades they deserve, then a Messenger came afterwards, they would believe in and support him. Even though Allah has given the Prophets the knowledge and the prophethood, this fact should not make them refrain from following and supporting the Prophet who comes after them. This is why Allah, the Most High, Most Honored, said


[وَإِذْ أَخَذَ اللَّهُ مِيثَـقَ النَّبِيِّيْنَ لَمَآ ءَاتَيْتُكُم مِّن كِتَـبٍ وَحِكْمَةٍ]


(And (remember) when Allah took the covenant of the Prophets, saying: "Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah.'') meaning, if I give you the Book and the Hikmah,


[ثُمَّ جَآءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مُّصَدِّقٌ لِّمَا مَعَكُمْ لَتُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهِ وَلَتَنصُرُنَّهُ قَالَ ءَأَقْرَرْتُمْ وَأَخَذْتُمْ عَلَى ذلِكُمْ إِصْرِى]


("and afterwards there will come to you a Messenger confirming what is with you; you must, then, believe in him and help him.'' Allah said, "Do you agree (to it) and will you take up Isri'')


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ar-Rabi`, Qatadah and As-Suddi said that `Isri' means, "My covenant.'' Muhammad bin Ishaq said that,


[إِصْرِى]


(Isri) means, "The responsibility of My covenant that you took,'' meaning, the ratified pledge that you gave Me.


[قَالُواْ أَقْرَرْنَا قَالَ فَاشْهَدُواْ وَأَنَاْ مَعَكُمْ مِّنَ الشَّـهِدِينَفَمَنْ تَوَلَّى بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ]


(They said: "We agree.'' He said: "Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses.'' then whoever turns away after this,'') from fulfilling this pledge and covenant, c


[فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْفَـسِقُونَ]


(they are the rebellious.) `Ali bin Abi Talib and his cousin `Abdullah bin `Abbas said, "Allah never sent a Prophet but after taking his pledge that if Muhammad were sent in his lifetime, he would believe in and support him.'' Allah commanded each Prophet to take a pledge from his nation that if Muhammad were sent in their time, they would believe in and support him. Tawus, Al-Hasan Al-Basri and Qatadah said, "Allah took the pledge from the Prophets that they would believe in each other'', and this statement does not contradict what `Ali and Ibn `Abbas stated.


Therefore, Muhammad is the Final Prophet until the Day of Resurrection. He is the greatest Imam, who if he existed in any time period, deserves to be obeyed, rather than all other Prophets. This is why Muhammad led the Prophets in prayer during the night of Isra' when they gathered in Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem). He is the intercessor on the Day of Gathering, when the Lord comes to judge between His servants. This is Al-Maqam Al-Mahmud (the praised station) [refer to 17:79] that only Muhammad deserves, a responsibility which the mighty Prophets and Messengers will decline to assume. However, Muhammad will carry the task of intercession, may Allah's peace and blessings be on him.


[أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللَّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَن فِى السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ - قُلْ ءَامَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَمَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَى إِبْرَهِيمَ وَإِسْمَـعِيلَ وَإِسْحَـقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالاٌّسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِىَ مُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَالنَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ - وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلَـمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِى الاٌّخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَـسِرِينَ ]


(83. Do they seek other than the religion of Allah, while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned.) (84. Say: "We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrahim, Isma`il, Ishaq, Ya`qub and Al-Asbat, and what was given to Musa, `Isa and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allah) we have submitted.'') (85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.)

 

[Sunni Student]

What do you mean and more over what do you know and how do you know?

Is the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] a Prophet only for those people who lived during his life and those people to come untill the day of Judgement or is The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] a Prophet sent to all Mankind, there is A hadith in Sahih Muslim "Ursil thu ilal khalqi Kaafa" and the many Quran Ayahs that say the Prophet was sent for all Mankind.

So if he was sent to All Mankind, meaning All Humans and All Jinns then that also means he is the Prophet of All Mankind including the other prophets.

Now you said you agreed that Muhammad [Peace be upon him] was the first to surrender to Allah out of his Ummah, what I am saying is that All the Prophets are from the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] thus he surrendered to Allah's will before any of them!

Thus he was created before them!

[I can give the full refs of the Ayahs and Hadith that state the Prophet was sent to All Mankind]

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

I think it would be less tedious if i just agreed with you ...

anyways i am heading down manchester next week. Whats that bookshop in Bolton that Qais buys his books from? can you give me directions from Ashton? and tell me where exactly this book shop is?

 

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

^^

salam

Do u want me to pass that message on to brother Qais..??

wasalam

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

Salam i got the adress its 119 halliway road out in Bolton, ufortuntly they do not have what i want yet ... so may be a delay ...thanks though ... wasalams

 

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

ok no problemo

wasalam

 

[Abu Ibraheem]

Salam, the address is a book shop, so dont be going there thinking youre knocking on my door lol! (not directed at Sum Muslim Gal)

 

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

hahah..very funny lol...

its pretty funny coz theres a massive box just besides me with books in outside the box says bolton - with the address u given above lol..could have easily given that..duuh!!

wasalam

 

[Umar001]

Is the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] a Prophet only for those people who lived during his life and those people to come untill the day of Judgement or is The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] a Prophet sent to all Mankind, there is A hadith in Sahih Muslim "Ursil thu ilal khalqi Kaafa" and the many Quran Ayahs that say the Prophet was sent for all Mankind.

So if he was sent to All Mankind, meaning All Humans and All Jinns then that also means he is the Prophet of All Mankind including the other prophets.

Now you said you agreed that Muhammad [Peace be upon him] was the first to surrender to Allah out of his Ummah, what I am saying is that All the Prophets are from the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] thus he surrendered to Allah's will before any of them!

Thus he was created before them!

[I can give the full refs of the Ayahs and Hadith that state the Prophet was sent to All Mankind]

Akhi, Assalamu Aleykum Wa Rhametulah

Am confused, peep:

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YUSUFALI: It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).​

Does that mean the Gospel and Torah are for those before it was revealed and us now?

Eesa.