Ceasefire is active in Holy Land

[lavikor201]

The Cease Fire is active, yet already 11 "kassam" rockets have hit Israeli land "1948 israel". Now my one question is...

Should Israel follow the ceasefire, although within 2 days, Palestinians have already broken it, or should Israel sit there and just continue to let rockets hit them because the world will condemn them if they break the ceasefire, and fail to see the whole picture.

 

[TheMachine]

The Cease Fire is active, yet already 11 "kassam" rockets have hit Israeli land "1948 israel". Now my one question is...

Should Israel follow the ceasefire, although within 2 days, Palestinians have already broken it, or should Israel sit there and just continue to let rockets hit them because the world will condemn them if they break the ceasefire, and fail to see the whole picture.

Isnt that quite hypocritical considering that Israel has broken the recent ceasefire with Lebanon on several accounts and now the French are threatening to shoot Israeli planes? Complaining is easy, being a hypocrite is even easier.

 

[Keltoi]

Well, by definition a cease-fire agreement means two sides agreed to a cease-fire. If Hamas or any other Palestinian group breaks that cease-fire then Israel has every right, and the responsibility, to defend its people.

 

[GARY]

The Cease Fire is active, yet already 11 "kassam" rockets have hit Israeli land "1948 israel". Now my one question is...

Should Israel follow the ceasefire, although within 2 days, Palestinians have already broken it, or should Israel sit there and just continue to let rockets hit them because the world will condemn them if they break the ceasefire, and fail to see the whole picture.

Everybody knew that they would continue firing rockets after the ceasefire. Thier word means nothing, they can't be trusted.

They will use any excuse they can find (or invent). "that jew passed gas upwind of me! Bombard his children's school with Qassam rockets!"

The ceasefire has been broken already, with the first rocket.

There is a lot of talk about double standards. The truth is the world applies double standards when it comes to this conflict. Palestinian terrorists (and yes, they are terrorists if they shoot rockets during a ceasefire) can shoot rockets into Israel. Yet if Israel responds the world will jump all over them.

I think they should give it a little more time to see if Abbas can reign in the terrorists. And if not, then show them what a terrorist deserves.

 

[TheMachine]

Everybody knew that they would continue firing rockets after the ceasefire. Thier word means nothing, they can't be trusted.

They will use any excuse they can find (or invent). "that jew passed gas upwind of me! Bombard his children's school with Qassam rockets!"

The ceasefire has been broken already, with the first rocket.

There is a lot of talk about double standards. The truth is the world applies double standards when it comes to this conflict. Palestinian terrorists (and yes, they are terrorists if they shoot rockets during a ceasefire) can shoot rockets into Israel. Yet if Israel responds the world will jump all over them.

I think they should give it a little more time to see if Abbas can reign in the terrorists. And if not, then show them what a terrorist deserves.

Actually the Israelis cannot be trusted. Not only are they slaughtering kids and women on THEIR land, they are just using their propaganda machine to justify their inhumane deeds.

btw, when I said the Israelis cannot be trusted, I intended to back that up:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/19/mideast.main/index.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDQ/is_2006_August_21/ai_n16678063

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1157913630500

http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/2006/agosto/mar22/35isrviol.html

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/b41edf2c-b79e-4357-af04-6c865e595c76.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5678478

http://english.people.com.cn/200608/19/eng20060819_294920.html


btw, I'm not an anti-Semite

 

[GARY]

Actually the Israelis cannot be trusted. Not only are they slaughtering kids and women on THEIR land, they are just using their propaganda machine to justify their inhumane deeds.

btw, when I said the Israelis cannot be trusted, I intended to back that up:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/19/mideast.main/index.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDQ/is_2006_August_21/ai_n16678063

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1157913630500

http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/2006/agosto/mar22/35isrviol.html

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/b41edf2c-b79e-4357-af04-6c865e595c76.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5678478

http://english.people.com.cn/200608/19/eng20060819_294920.html


btw, I'm not an anti-Semite

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
This one is actually a good example of the double standard I spoke of. A ceasefire has terms that both sides must live by. The terms of the ceasefire in August included the stop of arms shipments to Hezbollah. This of course did not happen. Israel was totally within it's rights, the ceasefire had already been broken. Of course the media likes to paint Israel as the bully and ignored the fact that Hezbollah had already broken the ceasefire.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1157913630500
This one they are at fault. I think you will admit that flying in Lebanese air space is different than shooting rockets at the population though.

The rest of your links are from the same incident in August.

I love the sensational "slaughtering of women and kids" routine that so many of the anti-semites like to use. Lots of sensational, emotional wording. "slaughter, martyr, women, children, innocents, evil tyrants, heartless......"
The same could easily be said about palestinian terrorists. "Evil, vicious, dogs slaughter pregnant woman and her four children by shooting them at close range."
source: http://israeltruth.blogspot.com/2004_05_09_israeltruth_archive.html

The fact is it is a waste of time. There are arguments for both sides.

 

[lavikor201]

Isnt that quite hypocritical considering that Israel has broken the recent ceasefire with Lebanon on several accounts and now the French are threatening to shoot Israeli planes?

The ceasefire was only agreed to because Hezbollah was to be disarmed. This has not happend, therefore, Israel has under every legal right to continue the conflict if it wishes since Hezbollah continues to hold two prisoners.

 

[TheMachine]

The ceasefire was only agreed to because Hezbollah was to be disarmed. This has not happend, therefore, Israel has under every legal right to continue the conflict if it wishes since Hezbollah continues to hold two prisoners.

Didnt Israel "destroy 80% of Hezbollah?" Hezbollah will never return the two prisoners until Israel releases the thousands of captives it has. Also, why should Israel be worried if UNIFIL forces are deployed there?? Israel is a bigger threat now to those forces than Hezbollah!! I do not agree with breaking a ceasefire, but you as an Israeli should be last in line complaining.

 

[sister herb]

The Cease Fire is active, yet already 11 "kassam" rockets have hit Israeli land "1948 israel". Now my one question is...

Should Israel follow the ceasefire, although within 2 days, Palestinians have already broken it, or should Israel sit there and just continue to let rockets hit them because the world will condemn them if they break the ceasefire, and fail to see the whole picture.

Abu Obayda : We gave a period of stopping Qassam Rockets but not An open Truce to supervise the Israeli position and after that we will end the Truce or Continue it

Abu Obayda, the spokesman of Al-Qassam Brigades, confirms that Al-Qassam Brigades did not determine or declare any period or time to begin a free open Truce with the occupation forces. Abu Obayda confirmed that the ceasefire should be conditioned with stopping all types of Zionist aggression against the Palestinian people.

" We did not declare any open ceasefire with the occupation and there won't be any free truce. We supervise the Zionist position from the declared ceasefire yesterday with the Palestinian Factions. The ball is turned in the Isreali ground despite our knowledge that the occupation will not keep any ceasefire but the Palestinian Factions declared the initiative to ceasefire and the World will see that the Zionist forces is the one who will not keep the ceasefire. Moreover, we will be able to have a united agreement in stopping fire or beginning it" Abu Obayda said to Palestine Now Press.

In addition, Abu Obayda confirmed that the new fire after at 07:30 in the morning of Sunday should not be a violation to the ceasefire saying " we sit with the Palestinian Prime minister to stop firing Qassam Rockets in occurrence with the end of the Zionist aggression against our Palestinian people." Adding that we will give a period of stopping Qassams and not giving a ceasefire to supervise the Zionist position.

Abu Obayda confirmed that if the Zionist forces did not keep the ceasefire, Al-Qassam Brigades will not keep this period. He referred that Stopping Qassam Rockets did not mean leaving Resistance against the Occupation Forces and standing against their continuous aggression.

Abu Obayda expected that the ceasefire will not continue because the Zionist forces have a continuous plans of aggression against our people.



http://www.alqassam.ps/english/reports/261.htm

And: Mash'al warns of a third intifada if a Palestinian state is not created within a year
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=17535

After these decisions ball is in Israel. Do you want peace or more wars?

;D

 

[aamirsaab]

one of my worst fears is that the world will come to such a state that we can no longer shed a tear for the loss of human life. Where people are polarised to such an extent that revenge overrules justice, hate overrules love, and death overrules life.

May Allah guide us all and bless our hearts with mercy, compassion, love and respect for all of His creations.

 

[TheMachine]

one of my worst fears is that the world will come to such a state that we can no longer shed a tear for the loss of human life. Where people are polarised to such an extent that revenge overrules justice, hate overrules love, and death overrules life.

May Allah guide us all and bless our hearts with mercy, compassion, love and respect for all of His creations.

I am surprised that the Jews are so inconsiderate of human life, especially after their kind went through the Holocaust.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Does anybody really think peace will be achieved in the Middle East? Please be honest!

 

[sister herb]

I try to be honest and of my mind in Middle East never can be peace so long time when there is Israel.

laying:

 

[lavikor201]

I try to be honest and of my mind in Middle East never can be peace so long time when there is Israel.

laying:

I will be honest that there will never be peace as long as throughout the world there are numerous schools teaching Muslims to hate Jews.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I try to be honest and of my mind in Middle East never can be peace so long time when there is Israel.

laying:

Isreal will never cease to exist, unless you kill every Jew who resides there. That's not even possible. So like i conclude, peace will never be achieved!

 

[sister herb]

I will be honest that there will never be peace as long as throughout the world there are numerous schools teaching Muslims to hate Jews.

I think that nobody don´t need to teach any Palestinian to hate Jews. No after so many massacres. If you think that somebody teach muslims to hate Jews after Sabra and Shatila or after Beit Hanoon or after Deir Yassin... then I have to say that you are stupid.

:rollseyes

 

[sister herb]

More about this:

http://www.alqassam.ps/vb3/forumdisplay.php?f=27

laying:

 

[IzakHalevas]

I think that nobody don´t need to teach any Palestinian to hate Jews. No after so many massacres. If you think that somebody teach muslims to hate Jews after Sabra and Shatila or after Beit Hanoon or after Deir Yassin... then I have to say that you are stupid.

:rollseyes

Way before 1948, Jews have had that same right believe me.

What happened during the Arab riots of 1920-1921?

The first Arab riots of the Mandate period took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, in March 1920 ("Bloody Passover"). They were instigated by Arabs acting on unfounded rumors of Jewish actions against Arabs. The British military authorities did not intervene in the Arab attacks, while Vladimir Jabotinsky and other Jews were arrested for organizing a self-defense league. In April 1920, Joseph Trumpeldor and others were killed in the defense of Tel Hai, a settlement in the Upper Galilee. These developments led to the founding of the Haganah on June 15, 1920.
Haj Amin al-Husseini emerged as one of the leaders of the 1920 Arab riots in Palestine and incited the masses to murder Jews and loot their homes. While only in his late twenties, he became the youngest ever Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921, supported by the British.

May 1921 brought new violence in Jaffa followed by large-scale attacks on Rehovot, Petah Tikva, and other Jewish areas. The death toll among the Jews was 47 with 140 wounded. Yosef Hayyim Brenner, the distinguished socialist pioneer and author, was among those murdered. Arab casualties of 48 killed and 73 wounded were almost entirely due to British military action. The main lesson was the power of the Arab masses and the relative ineffectiveness of the Jewish defense.

Sir Herbert Samuel, The High Commissioner, yielded to the demonstration of power: he ordered a temporary halt to Jewish immigration and began negotiations with the Arab Executive Committee. The outcome of these negotiations was the June 1922 White Paper issued by Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill.
The riots were investigated by the Haycraft Commission, who said in their summary report:

• The racial strife was begun by the Arabs, and rapidly developed into a conflict of great violence between Arabs and Jews, in which the Arab majority, who were generally the aggressors, inflicted most of the casualties.

But then the Commission rationalized the cause of the attack, in a pattern that is still seen in the 21st Century:

• The fundamental cause of the riots was a feeling among the Arabs of discontent with, and hostility to, the Jews, due to political and economic causes, and connected with Jewish immigration, and with their conception of Zionist policy as derived from Jewish exponents.

This pattern repeated itself over the decades: Arab riots with Jewish casualties, British official inquiry, followed by appeasement of the Arabs.

What happened during the Arab riots of 1929?

From 1922 through 1928 the relationship between Jews and Arabs in Palestine was relatively peaceful. However, in late 1928 a new phase of violence began with minor disputes between Jews and Arabs about the right of Jews to pray at the Western Wall (Kotel) in Jerusalem. These arguments led to an outbreak of Arab violence in August 1929 when Haj Amin al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem, fomented Arab hatred by accusing the Jews of endangering the mosques and other sites holy to Islam. Observers heard Husseini issue the call: Itback al-Yahud "Slaughter the Jews!"

On August 22, 1929 the leaders of the Yishuv met with the British Deputy High Commissioner to alert him of their fears of a large Arab riot. The British officials assured them that the government was in control of the situation. The following day the Riots of 1929 erupted throughout the Palestine Mandate, lasting for seven days.

On Friday, August 23, Arab mobs attacked Jews in Jerusalem, Motza, Hebron, Safed, Jaffa, and other parts of the country. The Old City of Jerusalem was hit particularly hard. By the next day, the Haganah was able to mount a defense and further attacks in Jerusalem were repulsed. But, the violence in Jerusalem generated rumors throughout the country, many carrying fabricated accounts of Jewish attempts to defile Muslim holy places, all to inflame the Arab residents. Villages were plundered and destroyed by Arab mobs. While attacks on Jews in Tel Aviv and Haifa were thwarted by Jewish defenses, there were Jewish deaths in Hebron, where 67 Jewish men and women were slaughtered and Safed, where 18 Jews were killed, as well as scattered other losses totaling 133 Jewish deaths, with more than 300 wounded.

The Arab violence in Hebron was one of the worst atrocities in the modern history of Israel. On the afternoon of Friday, August 23, 1929 Jerusalem Arabs came to Hebron with false reports of Jews murdering Arabs during the rioting there, even saying thousands of Arabs had been killed. Despite the fact that Jews and Arabs in Hebron had been on good terms, a mass of frenzied Arab rioters formed and proceeded to the Hebron Yeshiva where a lone student was murdered. The next day, the Jewish Sabbath, the killing continued as an Arab mob of hundreds surrounded homes where Jews sought refuge, broke in and murdered scores of Jews in a bloody rampage.
The dead Jews that day included Eliezer Dan Slonim, a man highly esteemed by the Arabs. He was the director of the local English-Palestine bank whose many clients were Arabs, and was the sole Jewish member of the Hebron Municipal Council. He had many friends among the Arab elders, who had promised to protect him. Twenty-two people died in Slonim's house that day including his wife and two young children.

By the end of the riot, during which the British police did nothing to protect the Jews or stop the violence, sixty-seven Jews were dead and hundreds wounded. The survivors were isolated in a police station for three days while the Arabs rampaged through their houses, stealing and destroying Jewish property, unmolested by the British authorities. At the end of the three days the Jews were sent to Jerusalem, exiled from their homes for the crime of being a victim of the Arab riot. Hebron's ancient Jewish quarter was empty and destroyed. For the next 39 years no Jew lived in Hebron, not until after it was liberated by the Israeli military during the Six Day War in 1967.

The British Colonial Secretary, Lord Passfield, announced the formation of a Commission of Inquiry, which began its investigation of the riots in September 1929. (see Shaw Commission of Inquiry) A British expert was engaged to study the matter (the Hope-Simpson Report), and a new policy whitepaper was issued by Lord Passfield (the 1930 White Paper)

 

[sister herb]

For me it is just same what happened 1920-21. It is more important what happen today.

:giggling:

 

[IzakHalevas]

For me it is just same what happened 1920-21. It is more important what happen today.

:giggling:

Right. So 20 years before Israel, and the Jews getting there own state, there are Arab riots against Jews, senselessly killing others. And it is not important, yet you bring up facts from decades ago to support your claims for the Palestinians.

Hypocrisy at its finest.