Wife beating?

[Malaikah]

Re: 4:34 - a Q regarding the ayat

But the West does not have a "4:34 - a Q regarding the ayat" which some interpet that beating is allowed.

Yeh, people like you who only read what they want to read!

Beating in the way youre thinking about isnt allowed n you know it- so just get over it!

 

[Muslim Woman]

Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

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Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating_no.htm


The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The thing with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit".


The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.



Allah Almighty used the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens". "daraba" here meant "give an example". If I say in Arabic "daraba laka mathal", it means "give you an example".



Allah Almighty also used the word "darabtum", which is derived from the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:94, which mean to "go abroad" in the sake of Allah Almighty:




"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad (darabtum) In the cause of Allah, Investigate carefully, And say not to anyone Who offers you a salutation: 'Thou art none of a Believer!' Coveting the perishable good Of this life: with Allah Are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves Before, till Allah conferred On you His favours: therefore Carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware Of all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:94)"

So "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give" but not in the sense to give something by hand, but rather to give or provide an example.

Important Note: Notice how Allah Almighty in Noble Chapter (Surah) 4 He used "daraba (4:34" and "darabtum (4:94)", which are both derived from the same root. He used both words in the same Chapter, which tells me that "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:34 means to desert or leave, since that's what its derived word meant in Noble Verse 4:94. The next section below will further prove my point.

I am sure there are more Noble Verses that used words derived from "daraba" in the Noble Quran, but these are the only ones I know of so far. In the case of Noble Verse 4:34 where Allah Almighty seems to allow men to hit their wives after the two warnings for ill-conduct and disloyalty, it could very well be that Allah Almighty meant to command the Muslims to "leave" the home all together and desert their wives for a long time in a hope that the wives would then come back to their senses and repent.


...Conclusion:

According to the Noble Quran and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him above, wife beating in Islam is definetly prohibited, possibly even in the case where the wife fails after she was warned twice for her ill-conduct and disloyalty.

It is definetly a valid interpretation for Noble Verse 4:34 that Allah Almighty commanded the Muslim men to desert and leave their wives, and not to physically beat them as many scholars believe.

I personally favor this non-violent interpretation, because (1) It is very well supported in Islam as clearly and unquestionably shown above; and (2) It makes more sense and seems more practical in dealing with the bad wife who insists on showing ill-conduct and disloyalty toward her husband and family.

And Allah Almighty knows best, and may He forgive me if I made any mistake here.



http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating_no.htm

 

[chris4336]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Thank you for this post, I thought it did mean hit, because I thought there was a Hadith where the Prophet said somethink like he didn't want to hit women, but God made it permissible or something like that. Plus if it doesn't actually mean "hit" why all that stuff about the toothbrush?

This is an honest question for Muslims - Do you really expect English-speaking Non-Muslims to not completely reject the Quran based on the translation of the verse "and Beat them..." I mean if you read a book that said this would you even bother coming to all these Islamic Refutation websites?

 

[Malaikah]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!



What do you mean Chris? :? Many non-muslims with evil intentions try to make Islam look bad based on this verse.

 

[chris4336]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

I don't think Non-Muslims need to try anything, the verse in my translation says "If you fear disobedience etc etc beat them." This seems pretty clear to me. Its only because I had some prior knowledge of Islam that I bothered to come on these websites to find out the real meaning. If someone doesn't know anything/only knows bad things about Islam they are not going to bother even coming to these site to find out that it doesnt actually mean beat.

Maybe its the translators that are tryinig to make Islam look bad? I wonder if Muslims have any control over the translation of the Quran?

 

[Umar001]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Assalamu Aleykum Guys,

Sister who originally posted the article, please realise that this topic has been spoke of time and time again, also please post things like this in threads if there are any available.

Also, personally www.answering-christianity.com is not a website I would give to Muslims to use for deriving such rulings and so forth. But I guess each to his own.

But thank you sister for your effort and for giving us this view point, I have only seen a couple of your posts but I can tell you have a real passion for Islam, MashaAllah.

Thank you for this post, I thought it did mean hit, because I thought there was a Hadith where the Prophet said somethink like he didn't want to hit women, but God made it permissible or something like that. Plus if it doesn't actually mean "hit" why all that stuff about the toothbrush?

I agree, this is something that confused me too, personally either translation or understanding is ok, at first I guess I prefered the 'set them an example' or 'admonish them' type of explanation simply because I never understood any of the rulings on it.

This is an honest question for Muslims - Do you really expect English-speaking Non-Muslims to not completely reject the Quran based on the translation of the verse "and Beat them..." I mean if you read a book that said this would you even bother coming to all these Islamic Refutation websites?

Well I never knew about Islam, and when I read this it was from a non-Muslim translation it said something like 'strike them' sounded much more severe than beat, and I'm still a Muslim

I don't think Non-Muslims need to try anything, the verse in my translation says "If you fear disobedience etc etc beat them." This seems pretty clear to me. Its only because I had some prior knowledge of Islam that I bothered to come on these websites to find out the real meaning. If someone doesn't know anything/only knows bad things about Islam they are not going to bother even coming to these site to find out that it doesnt actually mean beat.

I understand, and I agree to some extent, but in reality to some people the fact that they see the word beat actually motovates them to learn more, some people think "What?! How can these Muslims believe this, some of them seem so sincere" and from there they set out to ask Muslims about this. Whilst on the other hand I do agree that other people do read it and think "Argh, does darn Muslims, I knew that they were opressors of women".

What I think the difference might be, that a sincere person, someone who is truly seeking understanding of all things, whether they think "Argh there must be more to this" or they think "Those darn Muslims, why do they opress women" a sincere person with either mindstate would ask Muslims about this, but a person with a 'closed' mind, that is not willing to exchange views and learn more and question sincerly, such a person will not want sincere dialogue. Thats the fundamental different.

Maybe its the translators that are tryinig to make Islam look bad? I wonder if Muslims have any control over the translation of the Quran?

Yes they do, in some cases. And no its not the translators trying to make Islam look bad, some truly hold the view that beating is allowed, so they would translate it as beating, but would they not be scared of turning potential Muslims away? Well the answer to that stems from the fact that in order for someone to become Muslim they must know Islam, if a Muslim decieves a person into thinking Islam is something else and that person embraces it, then has that person really embraced Islam or have they embraced a false belief? Also the fact that a fundamental in Islam is that whomsoever Allah guides non can misguide.


Eesa

 

[chris4336]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Yes they do, in some cases. And no its not the translators trying to make Islam look bad, some truly hold the view that beating is allowed, so they would translate it as beating, but would they not be scared of turning potential Muslims away?

Eesa - I have come very far the past few days. Please Please Please don't tell me that "Wife beating is allowed" is an acceptable Islamic view point.

Also - I don't think its necessarily close minded of people in the West not ask about Islam. All we've seen our whole lives on TV is Muslims beating women. We know they live by the Quran, so when we read the Quran, for many its like "Well I saw lots of Muslims doing that, and here it is right here in their book."

 

[Malaikah]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

I think bro Eesa has a habit of being misunderstood on this topic lol.

It is very clear form that hadiths that it is haram to hit a Muslim so hard that you will leave a mark, and it is haram to hit on the face.

I'll let him explain the rest inshaallah.

 

[soulsociety]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!



I've also read a translation saying "scourge them"!

I think beating is allowed, but not on the face or such that leaves a mark. Islam allows parents to smack their kids if the kids misbehave, Islam allows the state to beat it's citizen's if they misbehave. So why should the wife be exempt? The wife can't beat the husband, but she can via a court and state.

Also in the UK it's ok to smack kids, but not adults, even though adults should know better and not misbehave? The police also carry weapons to beat people with. The UK gov also goes to war with countries without provocation and on suspicion.

I saw Taliban beating a woman with a stick on the news. Didn't seem that bad compared to what a UK Police officer (caught on CCTV) done to a drunk woman, beating her with a stick for several minutes while she was lying on the street!

 

[Umar001]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Eesa - I have come very far the past few days. Please Please Please don't tell me that "Wife beating is allowed" is an acceptable Islamic view point.

I woke up this morning thinking, I might should write an article just for Chris about wife beating, SubhanAllah. Looks like I might have to.

Also - I don't think its necessarily close minded of people in the West not ask about Islam. All we've seen our whole lives on TV is Muslims beating women. We know they live by the Quran, so when we read the Quran, for many its like "Well I saw lots of Muslims doing that, and here it is right here in their book."

Am not saying that such a conclusion is not a normal one, i wouldnt blame people like that, I myself had a view similar to that before becoming a Muslim, but a sincere person would still ask about it, they may not ask straight away, they may be angry while they ask, they may have a conclusion in their mind to a certain extent while they ask, but they would still ask, or at least conversate if someone spoke to them.

I think bro Eesa has a habit of being misunderstood on this topic lol.

You know what, you know me better than I know myself, I should stay out of anything which has to do with beating and Islam.

 

[chris4336]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

SoulSociety - Fortunetly according to Ansar in the thread below, "beating" is not allowed. Unless its just a question of different use of the word in English. Here in America, I have never heard the word "Beat" (as in the context of "beating someone") mean "use light physical force." The more appropriate words in American English would probably be hit, tap, push.

http://www.islamicboard.com/305540-post4.html

But you bring up an interesting point, does anyone know what Islam says about "beating" your children?

Eesa what is your position on the topic?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Salaam /peace to all specially to our non-Muslim sis who is so eager to learn about Islam ....Alhamdulillah ( praise be to God only )

Pl. remember that i m a very ordinary Muslimah. I sincerely hope that my reply won't make u feel frustrated or increase ur confusion or will turn u away from learning about Islam. May Allah forbid & forgive me.

I thought there was a Hadith where the Prophet said somethink like he didn't want to hit women, but God made it permissible or something like that

----Prophet Muhammed (p) is the role model for Muslims . He NEVER , i repeat never hit /beat any of his wives. I gave one example how he spent few days & night at the mosque but did not hit any of his wives.


In the Quran , Allah says,

The Women


[4.19]

O you who believe! it is not lawful for you that you should take women as heritage against (their) will, and do not straiten them m order that you may take part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty of manifest indecency, and treat them kindly; then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it.



http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html

U see ,even if husband does not like wife , Allah says may be there is something good in the relationship ...so a husband must not misbehave with wife . After reading so many verses in Quran that husbands must treat wives with kindness even when they hate them & after the examples of the Last Prophet (p) who was so gentle to his wives , why we have to accept the translation ' hit/ beat and why not ''leave" them''?


Divorce is not encouraged in Islam but allowed when necessary.

Anyway , is there any Arabic speaking person ? Can u confirm the meaning of the Arabic word that it can be translated as leave ?

This is an honest question for Muslims - Do you really expect English-speaking Non-Muslims to not completely reject the Quran based on the translation of the verse "and Beat them..." I mean if you read a book that said this would you even bother coming to all these Islamic Refutation websites?

----honest answer

I read in a news that among western reverts , most are women....it really surprises me a lot & makes me so happy :happy:

Mahsa Allah ....how it's possible ? I think, while reading the Quran , non-Muslims can feel that it's the TRUTH & may be they explain the verse like that some disobedient women may need light beating ....sometimes husbands don't have any choice but to losse control & before divorcing wife ,it's the last resort. So, some husbans who want to keep the marriege alive apply this as a last resort to save the marrige & not for touturing wife....may be, it's my opinion.

Again i m reminding u that i m a very ordinary Muslimah & pl. don't let me keep u away from searching & finding the Truth.

 

[chris4336]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Thank you very much Muslim Woman, I really appreciate your replies, and thanks for sharing some of your knowledge on Islam so that others might understand as well.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Salaam everybody;

Pl. take part in Live Fatwa now.

Live Fatwas


The Da`iyah, Zienab Mostafa Wed., Dec. 06
Fatwas on Women Issues 13:00 GMT

http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=5N0N0E&hSession=Recent

Assalamu Aleykum

.... personally www.answering-christianity.com is not a website I would give to Muslims to use for deriving such rulings and so forth. But I guess each to his own.



-----well ,i didnot read all articles of that site but i liked the article i posted here.....thought provoking .

the fact that a fundamental in Islam is that whomsoever Allah guides non can misguide.

Eesa

----yap ; that's the reason after so many anti-Islam propaganda & the horror of 9/11 , many western people including Americans embraced Islam...Alhamdulillah.

 

[Umar001]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Eesa what is your position on the topic?

I'll write my view, it'll take me a while but I'll write it. and I'll give you it in pm or a link to where I post it.

 

[Umar001]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

Salaam everybody;

Pl. take part in Live Fatwa now.

Live Fatwas


The Da`iyah, Zienab Mostafa Wed., Dec. 06
Fatwas on Women Issues 13:00 GMT

http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=5N0N0E&hSession=Recent

It finished at 14:30 thanks for the invite though.

 

[soulsociety]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!



With kids I think there is a quote where you are meant to teach your kids prayer by age 7, and beat them if they don't by pray age 10. Teach children by play up to age 7-10, by discipline to age 15 and then by friendship afterwards. Someone can find the exact quotes?

 

[One Man Army]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

i dont wnt to read throught the whole topic, but from what iv read, duz this mean that its permitable for a husband to hit his wife in any way?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

:salamext:

we are not of a religion which changes to suit the views of the people. According to the lecturers ive heard wife beating is despicable and repulsive it should only be used as an extremely last resort only to show the feelings inside in the lightest possible manner.

inshaAllah someone can explain better.

 

[One Man Army]

Re: Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

nice car, needs some wheels on it, i just thinks thats really unfair if a man is given permission in any way to hit his wife