War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

[Islamicboy]

I see it as a desire to keep a foothold in the Mediterranian. I believe we would have invaded Iraq if it had been a Christian Country and the US did not have a foot hold there. the US is afraid to loose control of the Mediterranian.

Yes, But did the american government say thats the reason they are supporting Ethopia? I could care less if bush would have even invaded iraq if christians were there. My concern was bush clearly said he does not want Khilafah to be created in iraq. American government made it clear they dont want any country to bring shariah in there political system. Lets not assume and ask what if? questions thats just waste of time and that could also be one of the ways trying to avoid or justify this war.

 

[Woodrow]

Yes, But did the american government say thats the reason they are supporting Ethopia? I could care less if bush would have even invaded iraq if christians were there. My concern was bush clearly said he does not want Khilafah to be created in iraq. American government made it clear they dont want any country to bring shariah in there political system. Lets not assume and ask what if? questions thats just waste of time and that could also be one of the ways trying to avoid or justify this war. The facts are very clear I am a type of person that takes what the person said.

There is no justification for the US to be in Iraq. There are just reasons why some politicians decided to do so.

The majority of Americans do not want us to be there. The problem is nobody here has come up with a way to get us out.

I personaly doubt very much that Bush or even many Americans even have any concept of what Khalifah or Shariah are. Too many people equate it with terrorism. The American Government does not always speak for the American people.

 

[Islamicboy]

There is no justification for the US to be in Iraq. There are just reasons why some politicians decided to do so.

The majority of Americans do not want us to be there. The problem is nobody here has come up with a way to get us out.

I personaly doubt very much that Bush or even many Americans even have any concept of what Khalifah or Shariah are. Too many people equate it with terrorism. The American Government does not always speak for the American people.

"The majority of Americans do not want us to be there" <This is democrcy right what happened to majority counts?
I am fully aware that the government does not always speak for the american people.
"Bush or even many Americans even have any concept of what Khalifah or Shariah are. Too many people equate it with terrorism. " <I see that as if you are trying to justify why the american government is backing ethopia or pushed Ethopia into fighting Islamist.

 

[Dahir]

I just want to set the record straight and say that Somalia has very little oil in terms of both reserves and deposits.

Somalia has large deposits of uranium; which has only caught the eye of Iran in recent months.

 

[Chuck]

"I see that as if you are trying to justify why the american government is backing ethopia or pushed Ethopia into fighting Islamist."
But br does have a point. There is too much counter productive politics going on among muslims and it is not helping Islam. Islam used to be the fastest growing religion and now it is not.

 

[Dahir]

"I see that as if you are trying to justify why the american government is backing ethopia or pushed Ethopia into fighting Islamist."
But br does have a point. There is too much counter productive politics going on among muslims and it is not helping Islam. Islam used to be the fastest growing religion and now it is not.

Of the massive religions in the world, Islam is statistically by a long shot, the fastest growing.

But I agree that ideologically, Islam is going nowhere. Lebanon is headed to civil war, which could mean the end of Hezbollah, an Islamist group; same fate is to be met by Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and abroad.

If the Somali front doesn't go well, it'll set Islamic politics at least a decade back.

 

[Woodrow]

"The majority of Americans do not want us to be there" <This is democrcy right what happened to majority counts?
I am fully aware that the government does not always speak for the american people.
"Bush or even many Americans even have any concept of what Khalifah or Shariah are. Too many people equate it with terrorism. " <I see that as if you are trying to justify why the american government is backing ethopia or pushed Ethopia into fighting Islamist.

Far be it from justification. Unfounded fears are not justifiable. But, they are an explanation as to why people do things. Very few people in this world act with the belief they are wrong. Erroneous thought is what leads to unjustifiable error.

Up until a few weeks ago, many Americans would not have even been able to find Ethiopia on a map, much less know anything about the country. Even today I believe if you ask the typical American what kind of country Ethiopia is, they would answer that they think it is a Mid-Eastern Islamic country.

Americans have a tendancy to be very uninformed about many of the World's affairs.

It has only been in the past 5 years that the Muslim population in the US has been noticed. Although the number of immigrants is declining the Muslim population is growing, through reverts that are seeing the truth of Islam and liking what they see.

Over all there will still be many mistakes made in Africa and the Mideast. These mistakes are not from malice, but the result of ignorance. the American Public has a long history of being able to ignore the problems of the world. But, times are changing we are waking up and seeing that the problems of any nation eventually affects us.

Granted any aid to Ethiopia was misused and the US should have been sending food not money. If it had been widly known here that Ethiopia was using american money to buy soviet war planes instead of food, there would have been a huge out cry of indignation.

Americans had an image of Ethiopia being the world's poorest country and the people dieing of starvation by the thousands each day.

Sadly too many Americans put their trust in the elected politicians and never pay any attention as to what they are doing until something becomes a disaster.

 

[Islamicboy]

What does this have to do with anything? America is at war with islam the religion not muslims the followers of islam. American government has put behind bars every truthful scholars and also demanded the same too all the middle eastern countries. So now we have scholars for dollars every where telling us to join hands with the isrealis and work with america in killing muslims and islam off the lands of Prophet Muhammed S.A.W. American government does not want muslims to die or change there religion america wants us to do what christians and the jews did change the religion hide the facts. America wants us to be more like them and not follow the sunnah of prophet muhammed s.a.w. and reject the laws of the almighty Allah S.W.T. But the war has caused many muslims instead of going to the american views muslims have gone more towards there religion which backfired on the US. Also one more thing the tactics being used right now by the media is the same tactics used by the crusaders. The crusaders first did was lie about muslims being backward coming to kill them then when all the people were brainwashed they attacked muslims.

 

[SilentObserver]

What does this have to do with anything? America is at war with islam the religion not muslims the followers of islam. American government has put behind bars every truthful scholars and also demanded the same too all the middle eastern countries. So now we have scholars for dollars every where telling us to join hands with the isrealis and work with america in killing muslims and islam off the lands of Prophet Muhammed S.A.W. American government does not want muslims to die or change there religion america wants us to do what christians and the jews did change the religion hide the facts. America wants us to be more like them and not follow the sunnah of prophet muhammed s.a.w. and reject the laws of the almighty Allah S.W.T. But the war has caused many muslims instead of going to the american views muslims have gone more towards there religion which backfired on the US. Also one more thing the tactics being used right now by the media is the same tactics used by the crusaders. The crusaders first did was lie about muslims being backward coming to kill them then when all the people were brainwashed they attacked muslims.

At some point, whether true or not, people start to become immune to hearing the same things over and over. What I mean by that, is we here over and over how the west (in particular the US in this case) is behind all things evil in the world today. With time, people will just tune it out.
Do you know the story of the boy that cried wolf?

 

[Islamicboy]

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[SilentObserver]

Ok you tell me where do I go wrong. Afganistan, Iraq, Palestnian, Somalia is american not waging a war agiasnt these countries?? Can you please tell me which other evils in the world I have blamed on america???

whether true or not

With time, people will just tune it out.

:uhwhat

 

[Islamicboy]

But this is never meant for the non muslims. The reason i am saying this on Islamic Board is to make muslims aware of the american intentions. Even though many muslims maybe well aware there are some in denial.

 

[SilentObserver]

O yeah i never read the book "Boy that cried wolf" and plan on never reading it unless you want to summarize it.

In a nutshell, the boy cried "wolf"! many times when there was no wolf. At the end of the story, the wolf comes to get the boy, the boy cries "wolf"!, and nobody comes to help the boy because they no longer believe him. The wolf devours the boy. The end.

 

[SilentObserver]

But this is never meant for the non muslims. The reason i am saying this on Islamic Board is to make muslims aware of the american intentions. Even though many muslims maybe well aware there are some in denial.

I wonder if you are aware that there are nonmuslims that feel exactly the way that you do, except that it is you that they feel have the ill intentions. They say that the rest of the non-muslims are in denial about the fact that muslims have a plan, and are plotting against us.

Isn't that silly?

 

[Trumble]

I see the ICU has left Mogadishu. BBC.

This

Hundreds of gunmen who had just fought for the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) took off their uniforms and submitted to the command of clan elders, the Associated Press news agency reported.

just seems to sum up Somalia. Old habits die hard.

 

[Dawud_uk]

I wonder if you are aware that there are nonmuslims that feel exactly the way that you do, except that it is you that they feel have the ill intentions. They say that the rest of the non-muslims are in denial about the fact that muslims have a plan, and are plotting against us.

Isn't that silly?

(what he knows about the plan? quick kill him!?!?! lol)

 

[Dawud_uk]

I see the ICU has left Mogadishu. BBC.

This



just seems to sum up Somalia. Old habits die hard.

do you hear something trumble,

no me neither, so dont think things are over till the fat lady gets up and gives us a song ok?

the islamic forces now they dont have the manpower to beat planes and tanks, but the ethiopians cannot survive a long drawn out gurilla war so guess what? that is what the islamic courts will give them and then will come back together and defeat the govt once the ethiopians leave insha'allah.

remember ethiopia has lots of problems at home and cant keep its troops in somalia indefinetely, especially as their supply lines have to pass by muslim controlled parts of ethiopia that are in rebellion and are ethnically somali also.

Abu Abdullah

 

[samsam]

I still do not see it as a war on Islam. I see it as a war for control of the Mediterranian. The Mediterranian is a very key point between Russia and The US.

woodrow , people in somalia are being tortured for their deen , i watched this clip of a man being tortured with an electric chair . this cetainly is war on islam.

 

[Trumble]

do you hear something trumble,

no me neither, so dont think things are over till the fat lady gets up and gives us a song ok?

Erm.. I don't recall saying anything about anything being 'over'; I just said that the ICU had left Mogadishu. They have.

the islamic forces now they dont have the manpower to beat planes and tanks

They don't, but for rather different reasons than you believe, I suspect. If they had significant forces their best chances against the Ethiopians would be in Mogadishu. Laudable though it would be if they had left just to prevent civilian casualties, I don't believe a word of it. They had far more men, more heavy weapons and organisation than the warlords who gave the Americans and Pakistanis such a hard time there. It's the 'had' that's the problem, once the perception of the ICU as 'winners' faded, their 'support' in the form of militia rapidly faded with it and they became just a 'faction' again in Mogadishu, among many. They can fight a guerilla war, certainly, but the question is who will fight it for them? How many Somalis believe in the cause rather than just what is in their own short-term self-interest? No doubt suitable recruits can be imported, but they really have no more business fighting in Somalia than Ethiopia does.

i watched this clip of a man being tortured with an electric chair . this cetainly is war on islam.

Torture is always terrible, but how do you know what he was being tortured for?

 

[Dawud_uk]

Erm.. I don't recall saying anything about anything being 'over'; I just said that the ICU had left Mogadishu. They have.



They don't, but for rather different reasons than you believe, I suspect. If they had significant forces their best chances against the Ethiopians would be in Mogadishu. Laudable though it would be if they had left just to prevent civilian casualties, I don't believe a word of it. They had far more men, more heavy weapons and organisation than the warlords who gave the Americans and Pakistanis such a hard time there. It's the 'had' that's the problem, once the perception of the ICU as 'winners' faded, their 'support' in the form of militia rapidly faded with it and they became just a 'faction' again in Mogadishu, among many. They can fight a guerilla war, certainly, but the question is who will fight it for them? How many Somalis believe in the cause rather than just what is in their own short-term self-interest? No doubt suitable recruits can be imported, but they really have no more business fighting in Somalia than Ethiopia does.

trumble,

every somali i know supports them. every somali on here supports them. every somali practicing their faith truly in somalia will support them. they will have their men and if true sincere muslims choose to come help them and i hope they do then all the better.

Abu Abdullah