War In Africa Against Islam, Backed By Usa

[Abu Zakariya]

If it indeed did happen as Trumble suspects it did, it reminds me of the battle of Uhud.

May Allah help does that fight for His Word to be supreme. Amin.

 

[i_m_tipu]

"The majority of Americans do not want us to be there" <This is democrcy right what happened to majority counts?

There are billions protest all over the world (excluding amazing nation Israeli) including America against the war on Afganistan and Iraq. Does it change anything?

People talk about democracy. Sick....

Br.Woodrow said he can do everything in his locality. That is wonderful news for the muslim live-in there.

I have my elder sister and another two cousins with their whole family live in America for last 25 years. Last six month we were not talk. You know why? She is so afraid that she even talks to me. One thing I must let u know we talk about Islam very rarely even if we did we talk about very liberal mater.

I believe lot of people on this forum also afraid to talk about everything and situation of muslim right. And u also knows it.

In bangladesh we are restricted for not to go or visit site contains mujahid and zihad topics which the interpoll think harmful. Thou it is not officially announcement of the govt. but they are arresting/warming peoples. They say they are force to give every data to interpoll about people going which site or browsing what things.

I believe people can never give bigger example of abuse of people right than Israel and America had done and still doing and will doing.

 

[Seeker-of-ilm]

"The BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan in Mogadishu says clan militiamen appeared as soon as the news of the withdrawal emerged early on Thursday, and UIC offices have been looted.

Residents in the north of the city have reported cars and mobile phones being stolen.

Rising insecurity has forced most businesses to stop trading.

The situation seems to be descending back into anarchy, our correspondent adds.

Observers say the UIC's departure leaves a power vacuum in Mogadishu, raising fears of a return to clan warfare that has plagued the city and Somalia for 16 years. "
Ina Lilah wa ina ilaihi rajee'oon...Brothers and sisters, please don't forget Somalia in your du'aa, they need it more than ever.
And don't worry too much about these warlords, they will get what is coming them inshallah, if not in this dunia then in the akhira.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Mogadishu appeared to be sliding back into years of chaos as the Somalia Islamic Courts Council (SICC) fled their base in the face of government fighters backed by Ethiopian tanks and jets.

"We have been defeated. I have removed my uniform. Most of my comrades have also changed into civilian clothes," one former SICC fighter told Reuters in the frantic port city.


"Most of our leaders have fled. I am no longer an Islamic Courts' soldier."
Gunfire and outbreaks of looting marked the end of months of relative stability that began when the Islamists chased U.S. backed warlords from the city in June and imposed sharia, Islamic law.

"Uncertainty hangs in the air. My worst fear is the capital will succumb to its old anarchy," said resident Muktar Abdi.

Bush and his adminstration could not tolerate the stability, so decided to end it. - If only the same anarchy could prevail in the US then he'd see what it feels like!!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

What do you mean Bush wasn't elected? If you are referring to the disputed election of 2000, that is irrelevant since he was elected again in 2004. As for those who "turned a blind eye" to the killing of the Kurds, that would be half the world. Just as those who didn't come to the aid of those in Rwanda turned a "blind eye". Sometimes justice is slow in coming, sometimes it doesn't come at all. I for one would be satisfied with a life sentence, but it was an Iraqi court who sentenced him to death, following the statutes of their own constitution and legal system.

Relevant! Only reason he's in office is due to fraud!

And it's not the other countries who are going into foreign lands for oil is it! - They may have a role to play behind the scenes, but US are leading and it's backfiring on them.

And...'statutes of their own constitution and legal system' Which government made the laws to begin with so they could be implemented in Iraq?

 

[samsam]

Erm.. I don't recall saying anything about anything being 'over'; I just said that the ICU had left Mogadishu. They have.



They don't, but for rather different reasons than you believe, I suspect. If they had significant forces their best chances against the Ethiopians would be in Mogadishu. Laudable though it would be if they had left just to prevent civilian casualties, I don't believe a word of it. They had far more men, more heavy weapons and organisation than the warlords who gave the Americans and Pakistanis such a hard time there. It's the 'had' that's the problem, once the perception of the ICU as 'winners' faded, their 'support' in the form of militia rapidly faded with it and they became just a 'faction' again in Mogadishu, among many. They can fight a guerilla war, certainly, but the question is who will fight it for them? How many Somalis believe in the cause rather than just what is in their own short-term self-interest? No doubt suitable recruits can be imported, but they really have no more business fighting in Somalia than Ethiopia does.




Torture is always terrible, but how do you know what he was being tortured for?

because they were telling him to leave islam , and swearig not to stop until everyone is a kafir. he was screaming'allahu akbar' they beated him because he did a gathering were islam was being lectured

 

[Trumble]

Bush and his adminstration could not tolerate the stability, so decided to end it. - If only the same anarchy could prevail in the US then he'd see what it feels like!!

Sure, they are certainly no fans of the UIC, but this has nothing to do with Bush and his administration... unless you actually have any evidence of same? The Ethiopians are quite capable of cooking something like this up for themselves... as, indeed, are the Somalis.

"People are cheering as they wave flowers to the troops," resident Abdikadar Abdulle told Reuters news agency, adding that military vehicles had passed the Somalia National University"

However another resident told the BBC: "The entire people of Somalia are ready and working against the Ethiopian armed forces... As Muslims, God willing we will defeat the enemies of Islam and their lackeys".

BBC

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Sure, they are certainly no fans of the UIC, but this has nothing to do with Bush and his administration... unless you actually have any evidence of same? The Ethiopians are quite capable of cooking something like this up for themselves... as, indeed, are the Somalis.

Indeed they are, but what are the chances? Want to place a bet?

USA intervened as it had done before. Funding the warlords, but that didnt work so, Ethiopians are funded, and hey presto. UIC GONE!

 

[KAding]

Indeed they are, but what are the chances? Want to place a bet?

USA intervened as it had done before. Funding the warlords, but that didnt work so, Ethiopians are funded, and hey presto. UIC GONE!

When have the US funded the Ethiopians? Do you have any proof of this?

Why does everyone seem to think the US must be behind this. Lets not forget that the ICU was actually claiming part of Ethiopia for itself. Ethiopian sovereignty was at stake, they have plenty of motive to attack the ICU. They don't need the US for that, just like most wars on this planet are being fought without the US being part of it.

 

[Chuck]

Lets not forget that the ICU was actually claiming part of Ethiopia for itself.

ICU brought stability in these areas, they were not in the control of Ethiopian govt. in the first place. Moreover, somalia was progressing without a govt.

 

[Trumble]

USA intervened as it had done before. Funding the warlords, but that didnt work so, Ethiopians are funded, and hey presto. UIC GONE!

Again, as KAding said, what evidence do you have for this 'funding' for this purpose?

The Ethiopians had the tanks, the planes (mostly of Soviet/Russian origin) and the military manpower. They fought a long and bloody struggle with the Eritreans that makes Somalia look like a small skirmish from their point of view. No 'funding' from the US was required - what exactly do you claim it was spent on?

 

[Islamicboy]

USA did not supply them with weapons but America was the first country to Alert the world about the islamist. Ethopia was not even concerned about them until America started to cry shariah is coming. Then all of the sudden Ethopia feels that there sovereignty was at stake.

 

[ocacia]

This is true, Ethiopia became concerned because they got pushed. The same with their support for iraq, America gives them food. So r u going to say no. It is absolutly stupid and unprogressive to say there is no war on Islam or Muslims. I guess there was no enslavement of African people, or no racism in America of African Americans. Ohh it was about resources, am yes and in their attempt to get oil etc, they have created a war against Muslim poeple. Baka! I am sick of this "it is in our mind" Switch on the news Islamisit what is that about Muslim Militants the language of war, just like the cold war. the rhetoric of Evil and Good and Muslims are on the left of that equation. Imagine when Hitler started with the Jews you remember why the Jews didnt run away? Because they were cooked slowly, until it was too late, I always asked run before they come, but they said "no way could it be a war against jews" 6 million people dead, lets count the dead bodies from the war and see what religion is coming in dead support the film http://www.ourstoryourvoice.com see the extra clip on Darfur. wake up man

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

When have the US funded the Ethiopians? Do you have any proof of this?

Why does everyone seem to think the US must be behind this. Lets not forget that the ICU was actually claiming part of Ethiopia for itself. Ethiopian sovereignty was at stake, they have plenty of motive to attack the ICU. They don't need the US for that, just like most wars on this planet are being fought without the US being part of it.

*Deep Sigh*

Did they fund the warlords?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Again, as KAding said, what evidence do you have for this 'funding' for this purpose?

The Ethiopians had the tanks, the planes (mostly of Soviet/Russian origin) and the military manpower. They fought a long and bloody struggle with the Eritreans that makes Somalia look like a small skirmish from their point of view. No 'funding' from the US was required - what exactly do you claim it was spent on?

You're right. - US were not behind Iraq or Afghanistan either. Gosh what must i be thinking. I'm so sorry! How foolish of me to jump to conclusions like this. :rollseyes

I know it's not a war on Islam, but US should mind their own business. Half the american population don't even agree with the US meddling in other peoples affairs!

 

[Trumble]

You're right. - US were not behind Iraq or Afghanistan either. Gosh what must i be thinking. I'm so sorry! How foolish of me to jump to conclusions like this. :rollseyes

I thought so. Of course the US was 'behind' Iraq and Afghanistan. They are different wars, in different places, and involve large numbers of US troops. How many US troops are currently fighting the ICU, exactly? :rollseyes . Do you have any evidence for your conclusion other than your own prejudice?

 

[Chuck]

USA did not supply them with weapons but America was the first country to Alert the world about the islamist. Ethopia was not even concerned about them until America started to cry shariah is coming. Then all of the sudden Ethopia feels that there sovereignty was at stake.

And did ICU take productive steps to counter the fears?

 

[Dawud_uk]

trumble...

did the US not back the warlords to stop the islamic courts coming to power?
answer the question please.

Abu Abdullah

 

[Trumble]

trumble...

did the US not back the warlords to stop the islamic courts coming to power?
answer the question please.

It's been claimed (but not confirmed) that the CIA has thrown some money their way, yes. It certainly wouldn't surprise me, the Americans certainly have no wish for the UIC to remain in power; rightly or wrongly they see such a Somalia as a potential hot-house for terrorism.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the suggestion that the US both instigated and funded the Ethiopian action, for which no evidence whatsoever has been provided. The idea that America is somehow 'responsible' for the current conflict as the result of a few comments made regarding the ICU is absurd. As far as I am aware not even the ICU themselves have claimed that was the Ethiopian motivation. That motivation is simply enhanced power in the region for Ethiopia, not some whimsical desire to do what Bush might want them to do. They see themselves as the regional 'power'.

 

[Dawud_uk]

It's been claimed (but not confirmed) that the CIA has thrown some money their way, yes. It certainly wouldn't surprise me, the Americans certainly have no wish for the UIC to remain in power; rightly or wrongly they see such a Somalia as a potential hot-house for terrorism.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the suggestion that the US both instigated and funded the Ethiopian action, for which no evidence whatsoever has been provided. The idea that America is somehow 'responsible' for the current conflict as the result of a few comments made regarding the ICU is absurd. As far as I am aware not even the ICU themselves have claimed that was the Ethiopian motivation. That motivation is simply enhanced power in the region for Ethiopia, not some whimsical desire to do what Bush might want them to do. They see themselves as the regional 'power'.

let me ask you this question...

if the US had chosen could they with their power and the aid they give and the threat of removing it have stopped the ethiopians?

yes or no?

but did they not show their constant hatred and dislike of the islamic courts and so gave the green light to the attack? do you seriously think ethiopia would move without a nod and a wink from the most power nation on earth?

Abu Abdullah