Somali Islamists Flee Kismayo

[Woodrow]

At the moment we all need to wait and see what happens next.

Islamic Reign Apparently Over in Somalia
Somalis enjoy new freedoms as government takes control from a fundamentalist Islamic movement


AP) For hundreds of young men, the promise of a brighter future and the Somali government's victory over a fundamentalist Islamic movement were symbolized by a flickering blue screen in a dusty Mogadishu movie theater.

"This is freedom and entertainment," Ahmed Abdi Ali said Tuesday as an Indian movie about a torrid love triangle played _ the kind of film that was banned by the Muslim militants. "The Islamic courts are gone."

For the first time in more than a decade, an internationally recognized government is operating in Mogadishu after driving out the Islamic courts movement that wanted to rule Somalia by the Quran. Although trouble is always lurking in this violent, gun-infested country, the reign of the widely feared Islamic courts appears to be over.

The group had imposed its strict interpretation of Islam on Mogadishu and much of southern Somalia since it took power in June, banning movies and Western music and terrifying residents into submission with the threat of floggings and public executions.

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/03/ap/world/mainD8MDFKJ01.shtml

Quoting from above, I wonder if this is the "Freedom" most Somalians want.

"This is freedom and entertainment," Ahmed Abdi Ali said Tuesday as an Indian movie about a torrid love triangle played _ the kind of film that was banned by the Muslim militants. "The Islamic courts are gone."

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

At the moment we all need to wait and see what happens next.

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/03/ap/world/mainD8MDFKJ01.shtml

Quoting from above, I wonder if this is the "Freedom" most Somalians want.

Woodrow these cinema's were banned for a reason and it was not because of Indian movies as they are trying to claim but for something far more sinister and embarrassing

the media criticized the courts for banning khat and painted this grim picture of the ban yet the west is praised whenever it's conducting a big campaign to crack down on khat smugglers

:blind:

 

[Woodrow]

Woodrow these cinema's were banned for a reason and it was not because of Indian movies as they are trying to claim but for something far more sinister and embarrassing

the media criticized the courts for banning khat and painted this grim picture of the ban yet the west is praised whenever it's conducting a big campaign to crack down on khat smugglers

:blind:

I agree Brother Ahmed. I'm just pointing out that suddenly things that we know to be haram are showing up as being acceptable in Somalia. There is too much of a change, too fast. Something does not smell right with this picture.

The Somalians I know are too good of Muslims to accept things that are haram. If the majority of Somalians do accept the haram life style, I do not see how the Islamic Courts could have acheived any control that they did have.

I am wondering whose voice are we hearing that is allegedly speaking for the Somalians.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

I agree Brother Ahmed. I'm just pointing out that suddenly things that we know to be haram are showing up as being acceptable in Somalia. There is too much of a change, too fast. Something does not smell right with this picture.

The Somalians I know are too good of Muslims to accept things that are haram. If the majority of Somalians do accept the haram life style, I do not see how the Islamic Courts could have acheived any control that they did have.

I am wondering whose voice are we hearing that is allegedly speaking for the Somalians.

i feel sad for these traditional elders who are responsible for the safety of their communities, today like during the warlord era they seem to have no choice but to accept this lifestyle for their children or face bloodshed in the name of Democracy or bla bla bla

during the late 90's they pretended to tolerate the warlords but on a underground level formed the Islamic courts and when it eventually became stronger than the warlords they kicked them out 7 months ago but then this homegrown movement was discredited through the media and by the International community while it was still in it's infantcy

they claimed foreign fighters were present yet there is no concrete evidence to support this claim it was simply said to justify and support the war by well-trained Government/Ethiopian soldiers against young gallant courts fighters

if the Warlords are allowed by the government to return to their old pathetic fiefdoms then it's over for the TFG cause the residents will not tolerate this.

ps if i were you i would take any so-called voice intended to represent my people with a grain of salt

 

[rav]

Quoting from above, I wonder if this is the "Freedom" most Somalians want.

Why not? The religious can still follow and live the way they lived before, while not imposing their lifestyle on those who do not wish to follow their religious edicts.

If the majority of Somalians do accept the haram life style, I do not see how the Islamic Courts could have acheived any control that they did have.

Its called the "AK-47": (shortened from Russian: Автомат Калашникова образца 1947 года, Avtomat Kalashnikova 1947)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

Studies show, that when one points the loaded "AK-47" at another person, they are able to exert tremendous amounts of control over the person.

The name for this is called being at "Gun Point".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpoint

 

[Malaikah]

Why not? The religious can still follow and live the way they lived before, while not imposing their lifestyle on those who do not wish to follow their religious edicts.

Just curious- why is it that they should not have to follow the religious law (even though they are muslims!), though they MUST follow the secular law (which will only incur the Anger of Allah)?

Is there a certain difference that makes the secular law superior to the religious law?

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

Rav

Its called the "AK-47"

Studies show, that when one points the loaded "AK-47" at another person, they are able to exert tremendous amounts of control over the person.

The name for this is called being at "Gun Point".

Non sequitur!

the founders of this movement were the community leaders they didn't need an AK-47 to controll their subjects

the ones that went through the barrel of the ICU gun were the Warlords and the ones that were forced to leave at gun point were the Islamic Courts who did not want to bring the Government and it's foreign terrorist allies careless onslaught on the Mogadishu and Kismayo residents hence the reason why they left so suddenly

 

[rav]

Just curious- why is it that they should not have to follow the religious law (even though they are muslims!), though they MUST follow the secular law (which will only incur the Anger of Allah)?

Is there a certain difference that makes the secular law superior to the religious law?

There is no difference that I can think of other, than the allowance of each faith to follow what they choose instead of being put under a status by a goverment that judges other religions based on the majority religions scripture which is indeed unfair.

Non sequitur!

the founders of this movement were the community leaders they didn't need an AK-47 to controll their subjects

the ones that went through the barrel of the ICU gun were the Warlords and the ones that were forced to leave at gun point were the Islamic Courts who did not want to bring the Government and it's foreign terrorist allies careless onslaught on the Mogadishu and Kismayo residents hence the reason why they left so suddenly

Oh really? So, your telling me that the ICU never used weapons to enforce there poilcies on the Somali population? :rollseyes

 

[Skillganon]

There is no difference that I can think of other, than the allowance of each faith to follow what they choose instead of being put under a status by a goverment that judges other religions based on the majority religions scripture which is indeed unfair.

Given that they are muslims and in somalia majority and by that approx 98%. The Law is Islam. Their is freedom of other faith to follow their religion.

 

[habiibti]

Somalia was a secular country all their lives till 1980`s ,even tho 99% of da people were muslims.After da war in 1990-91 did many people start practising da religion.So having them live under da warlords and da UIC,most of them realised they preffered da sharia as their law but da enemy of islam wont let them have their poor country on their own.
If da government thinks da people want them and preffer them,why dont they ask for a election so da people can finally decide whom they want.

I pray Allah gives strength to those muslims who live under constant fear everyday,May Allah give them sabr,peace and make jannah their home insha Allah ameen.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

Why not? The religious can still follow and live the way they lived before, while not imposing their lifestyle on those who do not wish to follow their religious edicts.

that doesn't make sense so let me get this straight: if a Government in the west decided hard drugs or any other thing that has a negative backlash on the society there governing were to be made legal are you saying the parents who want the best for their children should look the other way and allow their sons and daughters to be sucked into addiction and a life of illness?

Oh really? So, your telling me that the ICU never used weapons to enforce there poilcies on the Somali population? :rollseyes

i don't think the catch frase Freeze police! would have that much effect on the western population if the frase wasn't accompanied by a Glock

there is nothing wrong with banning cinema's owned by shady immoral characters who could careless if a young child were to see a movie that's not of his age category or better yet a disgusting movie that's strongly oppossed and disliked by the community leaders of the society in question

if Western countries are praised when they ban khat why criticize community elders who want the same for their people by getting rid of this drug

 

[Skillganon]

The reason behind the event in somalia is not because of banning khat and e.t.c the argument the propose.

It is their clear enmity towards Islam the believers and their desire to carry out the commandment of Allah(s.w.t).

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

The reason behind the event in somalia is not because of banning khat and e.t.c the argument the propose.

It is their clear enmity towards Islam the believers and their desire to carry out the commandment of Allah(s.w.t).

I know brother but these are usually the points presented in discussions or articles to discredit the homegrown movement

the moment Islam began to echo in East Africa Somalia's christian neighbours were all gathered to contain it

 

[Skillganon]

I know brother but these are usually the points presented in discussions or articles to discredit the homegrown movement

the moment Islam began to echo in East Africa Somalia's christian neighbours were all gathered to contain it

It's not just certain neighbouring country but the boys in washington has a hand in it.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

It's not just certain neighbouring country but the boys in washington has a hand in it.

They did the gathering

 

[rav]

Somalia was a secular country all their lives till 1980`s ,even tho 99% of da people were muslims.After da war in 1990-91 did many people start practising da religion.So having them live under da warlords and da UIC,most of them realised they preffered da sharia as their law but da enemy of islam wont let them have their poor country on their own.
If da government thinks da people want them and preffer them,why dont they ask for a election so da people can finally decide whom they want.

I pray Allah gives strength to those muslims who live under constant fear everyday,May Allah give them sabr,peace and make jannah their home insha Allah ameen.

So because one is a Muslims that person automatically has the life desire to be in a Sharia run Goverment? I think your making a huge assumption.

This is a minor set-back for the Mujaahideen, the land of Islaam will become a graveyard for those who invade it. Alhaamdulilaah the Islaamic courts brought peace and stability to this land for the first time in decades, and they will not rest until they again raise the flag of 'laa ilaahaa ilaal laa' in Mogadishu and across Somalia.

The fact that the ICU is being obliterated as we speak is a minor set back?

that doesn't make sense so let me get this straight: if a Government in the west decided hard drugs or any other thing that has a negative backlash on the society there governing were to be made legal are you saying the parents who want the best for their children should look the other way and allow their sons and daughters to be sucked into addiction and a life of illness?

Your analogy is irrelevant. There are bad drugs available in western society like a cigarette. It is a persons choice if they wish to use them or not. There is also I must point out a huge difference between drugs and religion. So the comparison you make cannot really be taken seriously.

if Western countries are praised when they ban khat why criticize community elders who want the same for their people by getting rid of this drug

Are you really making the comparison between drugs in the western world being the same as free thought in the Islamic world?

 

[habiibti]

Rav to answer ur questions,yes. I dont know if ur familiar with it but islam is a way of life.There is a guideline for everything we do be it social or political.And a muslim shouldnt have a problem with Allahs laws.

I believe majority of Somalis wouldnt mind living in an islamic state.

 

[FBI]

Rav to answer ur questions,yes. I dont know if ur familiar with it but islam is a way of life.There is a guideline for everything we do be it social or political.And a muslim shouldnt have a problem with Allahs laws.

I believe majority of Somalis wouldnt mind living in an islamic state.

Exactly it's just some Khat chewing munafiqs that seem to have a problem if they don't want allah's law they can move to kafir Lands.

 

[rav]

Rav to answer ur questions,yes. I dont know if ur familiar with it but islam is a way of life.There is a guideline for everything we do be it social or political.And a muslim shouldnt have a problem with Allahs laws.

I believe majority of Somalis wouldnt mind living in an islamic state.

Judaism is a way of life as well, but in no way does the majority of views respect the laws or live according to Jewish law.

Exactly it's just some Khat chewing munafiqs that seem to have a problem if they don't want allah's law they can move to kafir Lands.

Or they may possibly say, if some Muslim wishes to follow Sharia then they should move to Iran or islamic lands... Hmmm...

 

[sameer]

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