UK Faiths Unite in Gay Law Protest

[KAding]

No one should have the right to discriminate against someone else, not in a democracy. Not on the basis of skin color, ethnicity or country of origin, not on the basis of socio-economic status, not on the basis of religion, not on the basis of sexual orientation.

If you believe homosexuality is wrong, don’t be homosexual.

Well, I agree that the state shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. But I think private citizens and, yes, shop keepers should be allowed to decide who they, say, rent their house to or what magazines to have on their shelves. I must say I am very wary of this anti-discrimination legislation which is becoming so popular in much of Europe. In fact, I think it runs contrary to what liberalism and thus modern democracy is supposed to stand for: personal choice. We should not be forced to explain our actions to the government all the time.

 

[sameer]

Well, I agree that the state shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. But I think private citizens and, yes, shop keepers should be allowed to decide who they, say, rent their house to or what magazines to have on their shelves. I must say I am very wary of this anti-discrimination legislation which is becoming so popular in much of Europe. In fact, I think it runs contrary to what liberalism and thus modern democracy is supposed to stand for: personal choice. We should not be forced to explain our actions to the government all the time.

agreed

 

[rav]

He only wills it if it suits the person, not otherwise....:rollseyes

I love the amazing number of responses my post got. Since G-d wills everything, does he not will for people to be born homosexual? Simple question.

 

[anis_z24]

AA
Well there punishments thats for sure.


This is good news that other religions are taking it on(against gay)
but as Muslims I absolutly dont think that we should count on it.

 

[sameer]

I love the amazing number of responses my post got. Since G-d wills everything, does he not will for people to be born homosexual? Simple question.

they make that choice..they are not born homosexual.
Non of us knows His will before it happens...where have to do our best to act in accordance with the things He wants us to do. If u choose to do wrong,then u have made that choice....u had the opportunity to choose right.

Nothing happens but by the will of Allah....so if u choose wrong and did wrong then....yes it was already destined for u....but at the same time...u made that choice.. but then again -remember...u dont know his will...of if it is a test that He is putting u through...so u dont know if it was destined for u to keep fighting ure desries and remain on the straight path.

its like willingly walking out in front of a speeding bus and saying if God wills me to not get injured then i wont....but at the same time....it could be in his will that u use your intelligence and not walk out in front of the bus in the first place - u just dont know...so u do whats right.

hope that clear up question...and i hope it didnt confuse u more.

 

[rav]

they make that choice..they are not born homosexual.

Many would disagree with you. Why on earth would anyone chose to like their own gender which if they are not born that way, are not inclined to be attracted to their own gender. Why would someone choose to be one of the most discriminated and hated groups on earth?

yes it was already destined for u....but at the same time...u made that choice..

Okay, so then you believe it was G-d's will for their to be gays.

Remember I am just playing devils advocate

 

[sameer]

Many would disagree with you. Why on earth would anyone chose to like their own gender which if they are not born that way, are not inclined to be attracted to their own gender. Why would someone choose to be one of the most discriminated and hated groups on earth?



Okay, so then you believe it was G-d's will for their to be gays.

Remember I am just playing devils advocate

no i believe that they made that choice since and since they chose that way...then God wont stop them...its up to them to correct themselves.
Only good comes from God and any bad comes from man themselves.
They still had the choice to do whats right.

Do u know for sure what God has willed to happen to you in the next minute?

 

[rav]

no i believe that they made that choice since and since they chose that way...then God wont stop them...its up to them to correct themselves.
Only good comes from God and any bad comes from man themselves.
They still had the choice to do whats right.

Do u know for sure what God has willed to happen to you in the next minute?

Fair enough, and was that a rhetorical question?

 

[chacha_jalebi]

i dont have a problemo with gays as long as they dont come in the open but when they do then it kind of bothers me ...

i think that most gays are like social rejects, i.e - look @ all the gay celebs, they not famous, so they decide to turn gay and sumhow that is meant to make them famous! but anyway,

i do believe that gaylords need to be, like talked to, and thats the only way to cure them, like do manly thins with them, like play footy, do a bit of boxin and take em to the gym .... actually noy gym, they mite get excited:X

basically its disturbin, when gays come out and wana be normal, like have rights and stuff, because bein gay isnt normal so how can you have normal rights? its jus not normal man, its adam and eve not adam and steve

oh btw im not homophobic

 

[rav]

i dont have a problemo with gays as long as they dont come in the open but when they do then it kind of bothers me ...

Sounds like the ultra right wing nationalist party that says "I have no problem with hijabs or islam, as long as they don't do it in public or shove it in my face"...

But I am sure you will have a loaded response to that comparison I just gave you. I look foward to it.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

Sounds like the ultra right wing nationalist party that says "I have no problem with hijabs or islam, as long as they don't do it in public or shove it in my face"...

But I am sure you will have a loaded response to that comparison I just gave you. I look foward to it.

no i dont hav a response, im jus tinkin why you defendin gays so much? is there somethin you wana share

lol na i dnt realy care, wot dey do in their privacy, but to bring it out in the open is a no no 4me

 

[sameer]

there must be a limit to everything....
if a new group comes allong saying that they wanna "have" animals instead of humans.......how would u reply or feel to see a man on the street kissing a goat, because they can claim that they should have the right to do that publicly.

If u own a magazine...would u advertise antisemitic things in it? dont the ppl who are antisemitic have a "right" to be heard also?
I guess that u wont do that.....but then there comes a law saying that u have to do it......what position would that leave u in? then u right of freedom to run ure magazine would have been taken away from u.

 

[rav]

no i dont hav a response, im jus tinkin why you defendin gays so much? is there somethin you wana share

lol na i dnt realy care, wot dey do in their privacy, but to bring it out in the open is a no no 4me

Actually, I do have something to share. I am very bored and am amused at playing devils advocate.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

Actually, I do have something to share. I am very bored and am amused at playing devils advocate.

amused @ playing devils advocate .... erm how very nice

are you share you dont wanna share anythin else :-[ :-[ we are all very open minded people here

 

[rav]

amused @ playing devils advocate .... erm how very nice

are you share you dont wanna share anythin else :-[ :-[ we are all very open minded people here

Don't worry, I have nothing else to share. My religion is against homosexuality, probably way before Islam and Christianity (at the time when the Arab pagans were running around making a disgrace of themselves, before monotheism finally got them)

"And a man who lies with a male as one would with a woman both of them have committed an abomination.."
(Leviticus 20:13)

But I can see you are all very open minded here, and these posts prove it :exhausted :X :rollseyes :

i hate gay people!

What I'm against the must is Gays who say they have a right to adopt, they throw that right out when they decided to play for the wrong team.

Finnaly some common grounds, no to homo.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

Don't worry, I have nothing else to share. My religion is against homosexuality, probably way before Islam and Christianity (at the time when the Arab pagans were running around making a disgrace of themselves, before monotheism finally got them)

But I can see you are all very open minded here, and these posts prove it :exhausted :X :rollseyes :

i hope the people who posted, them awful thins have not put you off about comin out in the open, lol na me messin but just be yourself k, we will still love you in a brotherly way

i just think, because its againist the religion people postin thins like i hate gays and stuff, i think most people would tolerate them as long as they not in your face and wavin their hands about

 

[Akil]

FBI
What I'm against the must is Gays who say they have a right to adopt, they throw that right out when they decided to play for the wrong team.

Once we let the government make one moral decision, we give them the authority to make all our moral decisions and trust me, after homosexuality and abortion, the American Muslim community will be targeted by conservative America. Once we let one freedom slip by, then we lose it all.

sudais1
i hate gay people!

Hate is a strong word and its one that leads to violence and then death which results in loss which causes hate. It a chain of destructiveness that humanity has been caught it since its inception.

 

[Keltoi]

Once we let the government make one moral decision, we give them the authority to make all our moral decisions and trust me, after homosexuality and abortion, the American Muslim community will be targeted by conservative America. Once we let one freedom slip by, then we lose it all.




Hate is a strong word and its one that leads to violence and then death which results in loss which causes hate. It a chain of destructiveness that humanity has been caught it since its inception.

The Muslim community will be targeted by "conservative America"? What evidence do you have for this ridiculous statement?

 

[Akil]

What evidence do you have for this ridiculous statement?

That there is a conservative anti-Muslim agenda ? You doubt this ?

Note; that I mean the ultra religious right not the entire party (I am a registered Republican)
Note also; by targeted I mean legally and politically not physicaly.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Well so long as you'll agree that one doesnt have to rent rooms to Muslims (because they don't want to support the muslim lifestyle), or print Muslim magazines, I'll agree that one doesn't have to rent rooms to homosexuals (because they don't want to support the homosexual lifestyle) or print homosexual magazines. The coin flips both ways.