Israel planning to use nuclear weapons against Iran.

[wilberhum]

The Government didn't do shi*. If it wasn't for Hezbollah, Lebanon would've been taken over by Israel a long time ago. The Government watched as Israel bombed the crap out of their country... killing their women and children. Why do you think Hezbollah wants to take over the government??? They believe the current Government are not doing what's best for it's country... And that is why they have so many supports who have been out in Lebanon in front of the Prime Ministers office rallying for him to leave office.

If Hezbollah wanted, they could've taken the country easily, but they didn't. Actually, they sent out their own troops during this rally to make sure the supporters don't do anything that will cause any type of destruction. If they overthrow the government, they will do it in a democratic way.

PS. I don't support Hezbollah just because I'm Muslim. I support them just as I would support Ghandi, Martin Luther King, and many others who were not muslim.

Kidman

Some people like armed gangs some don't. Some people will support anything that terrorizes Israel, some don't.
It is quite easy to see where we differ.

 

[Kidman]

Some people like armed gangs some don't. Some people will support anything that terrorizes Israel, some don't.
It is quite easy to see where we differ.

Where do we differ? If I support a group because they are defending themselves, their family, and their country, and because of that then I like armed gangs in your opinion? I could say an off the hook statement like you did like:

"Some people like to support those high powered, money hungry, no care for anyone but themselves, some don't. Some people will support anything that bring down the muslims and gives more power to corrupt people like Bush, some don't"

It's quite easy to see where people like me, and people like you, differ.

Kidman

 

[IzakHalevas]

Umm... they give Hezbollah money to protect themselves.... not to attack. Hezbollah reacted under self-defence when they took the Israeli Soldiers... they didn't want to gain anything from that action except to get their own prisioners back... they weren't attacking, or trying to take Israeli land.

Now I know your speaking of Ignorance when you have these one liner statements where you try to be a lil smart. I don't really know why you support Israel to go ahead and attack whoever they want without any care for civilian life, but your reason is for yourself.

Protecting themselves is going across a border and attacking another nation and then crying when the nation you attacked responds harshly. What a joke your reasoning is.

gives Israel millions of dollars to destroy the other islamic countries near Israel...

Funny, all the major wars between Arabs and Israel were started by Arab countries (muslims). Who is trying to destroy who? Just because Israel has humiliated the Arab world in every major war is no reason to harbor such bad feelings.

 

[Kidman]

Protecting themselves is going across a border and attacking another nation and then crying when the nation you attacked responds harshly. What a joke your reasoning is.

My reasoning is anything but a joke... but some people are ignorant about the facts and what went on preceding to the capture of the Israeli soldiers... so let me hopefully educate you before you go on spreading your ignorance.

First off... Israel has Lebanese prisioners, and have had them for over 25 years in their prisons... that they took from Lebanon... hmm... the same way Hezbollah went in and took those soldiers. Israel continued to come into Lebanon, almost whenever they pleased, and take random political figures as their prisioners. Did Lebanon respond by destroying the country??

No, they asked for them back politely. But of course Israel does not care for Hezbollah or what they ask for because to them and the U.S... Hezbollah is a "terrorist Organization" where in every other country they are not considered that. Hezbollah then warns Israel about what will happen and told them their intentions... again Israel did not listen... so what took place is a reasonable reaction to what happened to them. You would agree, if you weren't biased for Israel and if the situation was flipped... i am certain of that.

So, Hezbollah goes in there, and takes 'soldiers' hostage. Wow, they took soldiers, not innocent civilians like Israel took. Then, instead of negociating like Hezbollah was expecting, they take the only route they are good at, and start killing innocent civilians.
Lebanon took the hit... Hezbollah got the blame.

So please, i have heard it all before. Look at this as if the situation was flipped... maybe you can find a better way of looking at the situation and understanding it instead taking a closed-minded point of view.

Thanks,
Kidman

 

[IzakHalevas]

First off... Israel has Lebanese prisioners, and have had them for over 25 years in their prisons... that they took from Lebanon... hmm... the same way Hezbollah went in and took those soldiers. Israel continued to come into Lebanon, almost whenever they pleased, and take random political figures as their prisioners. Did Lebanon respond by destroying the country??

Yeah, are you aware that these people were captured because they had hands in attacking innocent civilians. There would have never been any Israeli prescence in Lebanon today or ever if it were not for Arab agression towards Israel.

 

[Count DeSheep]

I don't support Hezbollah just because I'm Muslim. I support them just as I would support Ghandi, Martin Luther King, and many others who were not muslim.

Kidman

If you really support Gandhi, then maybe you've heard a few of the things he's said and done. "An eye for an eye makes us all blind." MLK, like Gandhi, used peaceful methods to bring the public view to the scene, to witness the horrible acts committed against them. Please tell me, Gandhi supporter, why promote Hezbollah as you "would support Gandhi"? What does Hezbollah do? It doesn't employ the same peaceful methods as Gandhi did. It sends its soldiers to attack from among civilians. How many innocent lives were lost when Mr. Rocket Launcher took position atop a building civilians were hiding in, then opened fire on Israeli forces, hoping that the civilian presence would discourage an attack? If it's ISRAEL that wants to take innocent lives, then why is it that Hezbollah constantly endangers them? Israel was the one who leveled that building, who took those lives, yes, but who is it that used those same people as human shields?

Israel doesn't have the most peaceful government, but neither did the U.S. when Martin Luther King took the stand. Every non-white in the nation was put below the white man. Minorities were assaulted, denied jobs, put down, and threatened. For so much as whistling at a white woman, a young black boy was brutally murdered by white supremacists. But look at the way America is today. No pressurized water guns, no tear gas, no attack dogs...there are so many non-whites living in peace now. Hezbollah chooses its own road when it attacks Israel. It becomes a terrorist organization. Hezbollah is not a world power and cannot EVER hope to defeat Israel by use of terrorist tactics. What does it hope to accomplish? Killing their enemies will only make them come across as murderers. But Palestinians protesting peacefully along the Israeli border will get more attention. Remember, small protests such as that were the starting point of great men like King and Gandhi. Hezbollah’s vicious attacks will do nothing to stop Israeli oppression—and YES, I said OPPRESSION—but rather, they will make Israeli even more prone to violence instead of peace talks. An eye for an eye leaves EVERYONE blind, including the general public. If groups like Hezbollah continue to go “eye for an eye,” their purpose will go unnoticed. But if they stop and follow the example of civil rights activists, then their cause will become widely known, and the rest of the world will not view all Muslims as crazy terrorists, just as they stopped viewing all whites as greedy, oppressive monsters, or all blacks as inferior, superstitious savages.

If any of the information I have provided is incorrect in any way, don't hesitate to let EVERYONE know about it, because what I have said represents what a lot of people know--or rather, what they think they know.

 

[Keltoi]

If you really support Gandhi, then maybe you've heard a few of the things he's said and done. "An eye for an eye makes us all blind." MLK, like Gandhi, used peaceful methods to bring the public view to the scene, to witness the horrible acts committed against them. Please tell me, Gandhi supporter, why promote Hezbollah as you "would support Gandhi"? What does Hezbollah do? It doesn't employ the same peaceful methods as Gandhi did. It sends its soldiers to attack from among civilians. How many innocent lives were lost when Mr. Rocket Launcher took position atop a building civilians were hiding in, then opened fire on Israeli forces, hoping that the civilian presence would discourage an attack? If it's ISRAEL that wants to take innocent lives, then why is it that Hezbollah constantly endangers them? Israel was the one who leveled that building, who took those lives, yes, but who is it that used those same people as human shields?

Israel doesn't have the most peaceful government, but neither did the U.S. when Martin Luther King took the stand. Every non-white in the nation was put below the white man. Minorities were assaulted, denied jobs, put down, and threatened. For so much as whistling at a white woman, a young black boy was brutally murdered by white supremacists. But look at the way America is today. No pressurized water guns, no tear gas, no attack dogs...there are so many non-whites living in peace now. Hezbollah chooses its own road when it attacks Israel. It becomes a terrorist organization. Hezbollah is not a world power and cannot EVER hope to defeat Israel by use of terrorist tactics. What does it hope to accomplish? Killing their enemies will only make them come across as murderers. But Palestinians protesting peacefully along the Israeli border will get more attention. Remember, small protests such as that were the starting point of great men like King and Gandhi. Hezbollah’s vicious attacks will do nothing to stop Israeli oppression—and YES, I said OPPRESSION—but rather, they will make Israeli even more prone to violence instead of peace talks. An eye for an eye leaves EVERYONE blind, including the general public. If groups like Hezbollah continue to go “eye for an eye,” their purpose will go unnoticed. But if they stop and follow the example of civil rights activists, then their cause will become widely known, and the rest of the world will not view all Muslims as crazy terrorists, just as they stopped viewing all whites as greedy, oppressive monsters, or all blacks as inferior, superstitious savages.

If any of the information I have provided is incorrect in any way, don't hesitate to let EVERYONE know about it, because what I have said represents what a lot of people know--or rather, what they think they know.

Very good post, but you also must consider what Hezbollah is. In a large part they are now proxies of Iran. Yes, it would be great to see Hezbollah put down their arms and use Gandhi's form of civil protest and disobedience, but that would go against their very creation. You are correct however, as long as Hezbollah and Hamas continue to attack Israel with terrorist tactics they will only continue the cycle. A fact Gandhi knew very well in relation to his own struggles in India.

 

[Agnostic]

I am trying to look up some of the names of the prisoners that Israel holds, its a little hard to find info on them but I will keep looking. One name that did pop up is Samir Kuntar he was convicted of murdering two Israeli civilians one of them being a four year old girl. He was also one of the prisoners Hizballah wanted released in exchange for the two kidnapped solders.
If he is a represents the prisoners that Hizballah wants freed I can see why the Israeli government wont bargain with them

 

[rav]

"if they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."
-Hassan Nasrallah

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/774649/posts

 

[Count DeSheep]

I am trying to look up some of the names of the prisoners that Israel holds, its a little hard to find info on them but I will keep looking. One name that did pop up is Samir Kuntar he was convicted of murdering two Israeli civilians one of them being a four year old girl. He was also one of the prisoners Hizballah wanted released in exchange for the two kidnapped solders.
If he is a represents the prisoners that Hizballah wants freed I can see why the Israeli government wont bargain with them

If there is anyone who gets what he's trying to say, please tell me. I've never even HEARD of "Hizballah"...

My guess: "Hizballah" kidnapped two soldiers and wanted to trade off prisoners. One of the Israeli-held prisoners is Samir Kuntar.

Am I right on that?

 

[Agnostic]

Sorry Hezbollah
Sorry about the mispell I cant edit my posts

 

[Count DeSheep]

Very good post, but you also must consider what Hezbollah is. In a large part they are now proxies of Iran. Yes, it would be great to see Hezbollah put down their arms and use Gandhi's form of civil protest and disobedience, but that would go against their very creation. You are correct however, as long as Hezbollah and Hamas continue to attack Israel with terrorist tactics they will only continue the cycle. A fact Gandhi knew very well in relation to his own struggles in India.

From M-W.com

proxy
Main Entry: proxy
(Insert all the boring stuff here)
1 : the agency, function, or office of a deputy who acts as a substitute for another

Now my actual post:
Acts as a substitute for another. So instead of Iran DIRECTLY attacking Israel, they send in Hezbollah? Oooo...Revelations. So then that leads me to believe that Hezbollah is not just any group of Muslims...they're actually being paid to do it by another government. I knew that Iran was funding it, but this is...different than what I expected...

Random thought: The original story is that attacking Iran is a secret plan. Me gots some questerns...

1. How the heck did the press find out about it?
2. How was it allowed to be published?
3. Won't the Israelis say, "Darn, they know we're coming. Nevermind, then."
4. Even IF the Israelis continue with this plan, and even IF they succeed, me thinks it will be a controlled explosion like the story says. Anti-Semitism is everywhere. I think that the Israeli government is smart enough to realize that dropping a bomb that harms civilians will not do anything to help the "We hate Jews" opinion?
5. If Hezbollah was playing puppet to Iran, why isn't the UN doing anything? If Israel was wrong to do what it did, why isn't the UN doing anything? Then again, it didn't do jack for Rwanda or Sudan...Why start doing their job now?

 

[Count DeSheep]

Sorry Hezbollah
Sorry about the mispell I cant edit my posts

Heh, it's OK...I cantz ritez 2 gud neethr. XD!

 

[rav]

If Hezbollah was playing puppet to Iran, why isn't the UN doing anything? ...Why start doing their job now?

Okay, a man kills someone right in front of the police. The man goes to kill someone else the next day in front of the police again! Why begin doing your job now police, since you didn't do it in the past... Is this your logic, or am I mistaken?

 

[north_malaysian]

"if they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."
-Hassan Nasrallah

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/774649/posts

This is a "hidden agenda" of some groups.....

 

[wilberhum]

Where do we differ? If I support a group because they are defending themselves, their family, and their country, and because of that then I like armed gangs in your opinion? I could say an off the hook statement like you did like:

"Some people like to support those high powered, money hungry, no care for anyone but themselves, some don't. Some people will support anything that bring down the muslims and gives more power to corrupt people like Bush, some don't"

It's quite easy to see where people like me, and people like you, differ.

Kidman

Ignoring facts do not change them. You can ignore all the facts you need to justify your statements. I think "self imposed ignorance" is the correct pharse.

 

[Count DeSheep]

Okay, a man kills someone right in front of the police. The man goes to kill someone else the next day in front of the police again! Why begin doing your job now police, since you didn't do it in the past... Is this your logic, or am I mistaken?

I wasn't seriously hoping the UN won't do anything. I was mocking them.

 

[Kidman]

Yeah, are you aware that these people were captured because they had hands in attacking innocent civilians. There would have never been any Israeli prescence in Lebanon today or ever if it were not for Arab agression towards Israel.

Actually no.. they weren't even tried in court. Is this justice? What about the palestinian kids they have also in their prisons without being tried???

They had nothing to do attacking innocent civilians... all they did was talk about the Government and their misdealings, kinda like what I am doing now, then one day were kidnapped from their own country.

Kidman

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

I think that Iran should take the proactive measures should Israel do try it.

Iran should atack Israel in defence.
Iran should detonate and bomb any nuclear arsenal that is in Israel.

If you have a formidable weapon,it does not mena you are safe,it just mena you will have to guard and defend that weapon from being blown up in your face.

So Iran should bomb the nuclear warhead in Israel.

 

[Kidman]

Salaam,

I think that Iran should take the proactive measures should Israel do try it.

Iran should atack Israel in defence.
Iran should detonate and bomb any nuclear arsenal that is in Israel.

If you have a formidable weapon,it does not mena you are safe,it just mena you will have to guard and defend that weapon from being blown up in your face.

So Iran should bomb the nuclear warhead in Israel.

They wouldn't do that because it will kill innocent civilians, Iranians don't stoop to the level of the Israeli's. But they will attack strongfold, hitting the Israeli bases without hesitation... then U.S would come and help then all hell will break loose.

Kidman