Is Islam a violent religion?

[netprince]

the more i learn, the more i realize how very little i know

Mashallah, shows you have truly learnt something then. Many people go through their entire life without understanding that.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

the more i learn, the more i realize how very little i know, which is really pretty cool.

MashAllah, thats the best thing ive read all day
thats good. keep learning! knowledge is power!

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

This is how it worked. The non-Muslim were given three options:

1. Become Muslim
2. Or stay as you are and pay the jizyah (This means they are know 'part' of the Islamic community because they pay taxes to the Muslim in return for protection)
3. OR fight. ..

well sis , was not there one more option that leave the place ? During the time of the last Prophet (p), Jews were allowed to leave . Also , i found another example here.


ISLAM DENOUNCES TERRORISM


HARUN YAHYA

---Karen Armstrong describes the second capture of Jerusalem in these words:


On 2 October 1187 Saladin and his army entered Jerusalem as conquerors and for the next 800 years Jerusalem would remain a Muslim city. Saladin kept his word, and conquered the city according to the highest Islamic ideals


. He did not take revenge for the 1099 massacre, as the Koran advised (16:127), and now that hostilities had ceased he ended the killing (2:193-194).

Not a single Christian was killed and there was no plunder. The ransoms were deliberately very low...


Saladin was moved to tears by the plight of families who were rent asunder and he released many of them freely, as the Koran urged, though to the despair of his long-suffering treasurers.



His brother al-Adil was so distressed by the plight of the prisoners that he asked Saladin for a thousand of them for his own use and then released them on the spot...... All the Muslim leaders were scandalised to see the rich Christians escaping with their wealth, which could have been used to ransom all the prisoners…

[The Patriarch] Heraclius paid his ten-dinar ransom like everybody else and was even provided with a special escort to keep his treasure safe during the journey to Tyre.25

 

[dougmusr]

Saladin was moved to tears by the plight of families who were rent asunder and he released many of them freely, as the Koran urged, though to the despair of his long-suffering treasurers. His brother al-Adil was so distressed by the plight of the prisoners that he asked Saladin for a thousand of them for his own use and then released them on the spot...... All the Muslim leaders were scandalised to see the rich Christians escaping with their wealth, which could have been used to ransom all the prisoners…

If Islam taught mercy, why was Saladin in the minority and all the other Muslim leaders in disagreement. Were they reading the same Quran?

 

[Nazeeyah786]

Islam iS a religion entailed with Peace Unity Security Success Health. Islam is not a Violent RELIGION. It is no other than POLITICS who have PROVOKED members of the public to take such step in HASTE. Therefore it is POLITICS to have be BLAMED for the cause of TERRORISM.



mg:

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ;

That is in the eye of the beholder. As a muslim, of course you believe that.

A thread title like this is more than a bit provocative and I don't think you really want honest responses from both sides of the fence. Looks like bait to me to get people banned.

Most Common Questions asked by Non-Muslims

http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=154&chapter=1
Capital punishment for the rapists


Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment.

Many are astonished at this ˜harsh sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister.


You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death.


To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody elses wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?


&&
The much awaited talk by Dr. Zakir Naik on the topic
‘Is Terrorism a Muslim monopoly?’

“It says in the Book of Numbers that whoever worships other than God should be killed,” he said, referring to the Bible, yet such militant verses were conveniently ignored by the Western media.



“In every religion there are black sheep and the media keep putting these people forward. This is a media conspiracy and a way of pushing people away from Islam.” he added.


http://www.thetruecall.com/home/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=261

 

[Keltoi]

keltoi,

so you would condemn the bombings of civilian areas by US and UK planes then? some of these attacks have almost reached the level of carpet bombing such as that in fallujah.

Abu Abdullah

If there were intentional targeting of civilians going on in these airstrikes, then yes I would condemn them. In most cases there are not intentional targeting of civilians by U.S. or U.K. aircraft. They are human beings, just like you and me, and would not intentionally target civilians in most instances. That being said, if a U.S. or U.K. aircraft intentionally targeted civilians I would obviously denounce it. Do you condemn the intentional targeting of civilians by Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan? Not to mention the many civilians targeted worldwide by Muslim extremists?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

If Islam taught mercy, why was Saladin in the minority and all the other Muslim leaders in disagreement. Were they reading the same Quran?

a revert wrote : Islam is wonderful but i can not stand Muslims.

hope it answers ur question ... yes , we do read the same Quran but unfortunately we all don't follow the commands of God.

 

[dougmusr]

Salaam/peace;a revert wrote : Islam is wonderful but i can not stand Muslims. hope it answers ur question ... yes , we do read the same Quran but unfortunately we all don't follow the commands of God.

I just think itis interesting from the quote about Saladin that he was in the minority among Muslim leaders in understanding the Quran to teach mercy in this particular situation.

 

[Pygoscelis]

You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death.

Well let me be the first then to say I would NOT kill them or torture them. That would make me worse than them. And I have to wonder about these people you spoke to before me.

 

[Malaikah]

^Torture is not allowed in Islam. Usually people who are against the death sentence, when they are asked what would you do to a man who raped your mother/sister/wife, they say they would kill him.:rollseyes

 

[lolwatever]

^Torture is not allowed in Islam. Usually people who are against the death sentence, when they are asked what would you do to a man who raped your mother/sister/wife, they say they would kill him.:rollseyes

^ n the evidence is from abttle of badr when the companiosn captured the mushrik and they questioned him about the enemy camp, and then they hit him coz they thought he was lying and the prophet was parying when they dunnit

after he finished he told em "do you hit people to give you answers that you want to hear?"

amongst other cases.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ;

the post is for those who think the Last Prophet (p) tortured his enemies & Islam is a violent religion.



The Last Prophet (p) forgave the killer of his own daughter , he forgave those who tortured & forced him to leave his birthplace holy Macca. When he returned back there with 10,000 armed soldiers , what did he do ? He tortured them ??? No , no , no. Pl. read his biography . A man who was capable of taking revenge but forgave his personal enemies , i wonder how u can accuse/ think that he encouraged torture ?


Non-Muslims tried to do the ethnic cleansing of Muslims . Muslims fault was that they believed in One God only & asked others not to worship false deities. Muslims were tortured for long 13 years , then they got permission to fight back.

In a war , Muslim soldiers killed a woman . Last Prophet (p) ordered them not to hurt/kill any unarmed person. So, later Muslims normally never did fighting at night to avoid the killing of civilians mistakenly.

Pl. read his biography from a neutral source if u don't want to visit any Islamic site for reading his life. U can read book of Karen Armstrong " Muhammed " .......she is not a Muslim.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam;

...... Not to mention the many civilians targeted worldwide by Muslim extremists?

===ok , how many innocent civilian are killed by Muslim extremists ?


Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's Rape Of Iraq - At Least 655,000 + +

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[lolwatever]

Salaam/peace ;

The Last Prophet (p) forgave the killer of his own daughter , he forgave those who tortured & forced him to leave his birthplace holy Macca. When he returned back there with 10,000 armed soldiers , what did he do ? He tortured them ??? No , no , no. Pl. read his biography . A man who was capable of taking revenge but forgave his personal enemies , i wonder how u can accuse that he encouraged torture ?


Non-Muslims tried to do the ethnic cleansing of Muslims . Muslims fault was that they believed in One God only & asked others not to worship false deities. Muslims were tortured for long 13 years , then they got permission to fight back.

In a war , Muslim soldiers killed a woman . Last Prophet (p) ordered them not to hurt/kill any unarmed person. So, later Muslims normally never did fighting at night to avoid the killing of civilians mistakenly.

Pl. read his biography from a neutral source if u don't want to visit any Islamic site for reading his life. U can read book of Karen Armstrong " Muhammed " .......she is not a Muslim.

erm... wat do u think i was trying to say?! I was affirming cheese's point :uuh:

 

[Keltoi]

Salaam;



===ok , how many innocent civilian are killed by Muslim extremists ?


Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's Rape Of Iraq - At Least 655,000 + +

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That number is highly suspect as there are hundreds of supposed estimates that differ from one another, but in one sense you are correct, war itself is an evil that causes unnecessary death. This issue is fairly off topic, so I don't want to get into a debate about politics.

 

[Pygoscelis]

^Torture is not allowed in Islam. Usually people who are against the death sentence, when they are asked what would you do to a man who raped your mother/sister/wife, they say they would kill him.:rollseyes

Though I'm sure there are some people who would answer this way, I suspect that is mostly a meme that goes around pro-death circles. I have yet to meet people who would answer the way you say people usually do. I have been asked this question myself (not here) with pro-death people expecting me to answer that I'd kill them and then ignoring me after I've said I wouldn't.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Salaam;



===ok , how many innocent civilian are killed by Muslim extremists ?


Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's Rape Of Iraq - At Least 655,000 + +

Read this newsletter online http://tinyurl.com/dy6yy

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http://tinyurl.com/usq4x

Both are deplorable. I completely agree that Bush's crusade has been disastrous. He didn't even attack the source of terrorism but invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. But that being said, it doesn't somehow excuse the muslim extremists for their acts.

 

[lolwatever]

Though I'm sure there are some people who would answer this way, I suspect that is mostly a meme that goes around pro-death circles. I have yet to meet people who would answer the way you say people usually do. I have been asked this question myself (not here) with pro-death people expecting me to answer that I'd kill them and then ignoring me after I've said I wouldn't.

erm but wer'e discussing whether Islam is a violent religion, not whether certain people are pro certain things... two totally diff things. Even though personally i think there's very few (if any) actual Muslims who are pro torture! :uuh:

n the evidence i quoted gives solid proof that it is indeed an Islamic regulation, not just a claim.. about torture.

tc all the best

 

[Pygoscelis]

Um ya, sorry I let Muslim Woman take us off topic by responding to her claim.

I still say this thread is a dangerous one. You really shouldn't post a question to which the answer may be offensive to you. Given the reaction to my candid and honest response I got in the "why not Islam" thread to that question I can only imagine the reaction I'd get here. I don't think I'm alone in that thinking.