Is Islam a violent religion?

[SilentObserver]

Um ya, sorry I let Muslim Woman take us off topic by responding to her claim.

I still say this thread is a dangerous one. You really shouldn't post a question to which the answer may be offensive to you. Given the reaction to my candid and honest response I got in the "why not Islam" thread to that question I can only imagine the reaction I'd get here. I don't think I'm alone in that thinking.

No you are not. A number of times questions have been asked here that I have not bothered to answer. If I can't answer honestly, then why answer at all? Often times it seems a question is asked, anticipating the obvious answer from a nonmuslim, in order to criticize the given answer. A trap. Not saying that is what is happening in this thread.

 

[Muslim Woman]

salaam;

erm... wat do u think i was trying to say?! I was affirming cheese's point :uuh:

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-----oooopsssss . sorry bro. I think , the way u spelled , it gave a negative impression...sounded like mocking.....sorry again. Insha Allah , i will edit that post.

PS. I explaine this few miniutes earlier , but can't see my post

 

[Snowflake]

It's post #113 (page 8) sis

 

[lolwatever]

salaam;

erm... wat do u think i was trying to say?! I was affirming cheese's point :uuh:

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-----oooopsssss . sorry bro. I think , the way u spelled , it gave a negative impression...sounded like mocking.....sorry again. Insha Allah , i will edit that post.

PS. I explaine this few miniutes earlier , but can't see my post

no worries sis
tc

 

[ashara]

in the history of mankind there has been many wars and even 'simple' acts of uncontrolled rage justified with thousand and one excuses. i am sure many will agree one of the common excuse is religion. when the native people of America were wiped out and many other nations plundered, it was in the name of God, Glory and Gold. The fatwah to kill Salman Rushdie was carried out in the name of God. Across time "God" has been an easy target - after all u don't get a strike of lightning immediately after declaring personal agendas in 'his' name.
i agree that a religion that allows 'ambiguity' in matters of violance/barbaric ( i am referring to some posts about islamic laws against stealing/adultery etc) acts byitself promotes violance. but u see the problem is not that there is ambiguity, but the problem is that so many of the muslims do not read the Quran in its entirity but pick and chose what they like. and matters are made worse when those not fluent in Arabic merely recite it (without even reading a respectable translation) and rely solely on 'religious' authorities. and these authorities on their part base their interpretations (not all of them) on misguided ideals. for a muslim to 'go to war', he/she must do it after an injuction given by a religious figure who is both pious and know the rulings well.
life is precious in islam - so much so that under no circumstance is suicide allowed. which is why when a muslim is asked to go to battle and risk his life a 'bountious reward' is offered. but many forget that it is only achievable in the right set of circumstances. Just like the followers of David koresh and Heaven's gate, there are in every type of religion those who are misguided by so called enlightened souls who are as lost as they are, if not more.

i guess the point i am trying to make is that do not look at one group of people within a sample and make a generalization - in this case some of us are not just generalizing the people in the group, but even they house they live in. so pls do not project every single person who says he/she is a muslim with Islam, Quran or even the idea of God. (i believe those in any religious group will attest how different each member in their group are in terms of piety and understanding). otherwise there will never be an end to pointless arguments as then Jews can start hating the christians who persecuted them (was it not under the banner of Judas the traitor that some of the populace were poisoned into thinking all Jews are bad) and the muslims will hate the christians who went on the crusades (sanctioned by the church) when it has nothing to do with Jesus's teaching.
it is a little unfair to state that some read a 'different' Quran than the rest. there are so many muslims but how many go about killing people and 'love' violance? how many of us here actually have muslim neighbours who lead life not too different than our own? but are the fact they are peaceful and not in the media mean they can be forgotten from our consciousness as muslims?

this just my opinion. apologies if i had made any mistakes and pls feel free to correct me. thanks in advance.

p/s muslim bros and sis - tell me if this is right : there is no where in the Quran the 'stoning' of adulterers is stated and also this was never carried out during the prophets time but it was Saidina Umar who got 'over zealous' and declared the new ruling?

 

[FBI]

p/s muslim bros and sis - tell me if this is right : there is no where in the Quran the 'stoning' of adulterers is stated and also this was never carried out during the prophets time but it was Saidina Umar who got 'over zealous' and declared the new ruling?

Wrong bro it was done during the time of the prophet, he him self even allowed it after a women came forward and requested to be stoned.

and rely solely on 'religious' authorities. and these authorities on their part base their interpretations (not all of them) on misguided ideals. for a muslim to 'go to war', he/she must do it after an injuction given by a religious figure who is both pious and know the rulings well.

Jihad is not dependent on one man.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ;

muslim bros and sis - tell me if this is right : there is no where in the Quran the 'stoning' of adulterers is stated

Wrong bro it was done during the time of the prophet, he him self even allowed it after a women came forward and requested to be stoned.....

--- I did not find any verse of stoning in Quran.

May be , it took place ' before the revealation of that specific verse where punishment is lashing and not the stoning ?

So, i think, before any specific punishment was prescribed in Quran, the holy Prophet (p) followed the previous punishment.......pl. remember , it's only my opinion.

Anybody knows , except that one / 2 incidents , any more stoning took place specially after the revealtion of lashing?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam

no worries sis
tc

Thank you

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam;

It's post #113 (page 8) sis

thank u sis :statisfie

actually i was looking for my post where i explained to the bro why i misunderstood him. Sometimes, posts don't appear here ....may be , something is wrong with my compu

 

[ashara]

Wrong bro it was done during the time of the prophet, he him self even allowed it after a women came forward and requested to be stoned.

your source pls. cause this is the first time i've seen this.

Jihad is not dependent on one man.

yes - jihad by itself is a struggle against vain desires and anger. every individual takes on this inner struggle to be better muslims in everyday life. but declaring war against another group of people can't be done by every other person. to be just is a prerogative in any action taken by a muslim - and to fulfill that requirement one must have a clear understanding of the scripture especially regarding the laws as well as a knowledge of the socio-politic and financial situation the society is in (and by society i do not just mean the muslims but also the non-muslim to whom war is not allowed in Quran).
also , if i am not mistaken nowhere in the quran is jihad used directly in relation to war. but the arabic term for 'war' is used when talking about defending the right to worship one God.

 

[Malaikah]

^Here:

With regard to one who is married, the hadd punishment is execution. It says in a hadeeth narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (3199) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For a married or previously-married person the punishment is one hundred lashes and stoning.”​

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=23485&ln=eng

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

also , if i am not mistaken nowhere in the quran is jihad used directly in relation to war. but the arabic term for 'war' is used when talking about defending the right to worship one God.

there are other words such as qitaal used, which indicate jihaad fi-sabilillaah, also whenever the words jihaad fi-sabilillaah are used it means fighting in the way of your lord. The literal meaning of jihaad is to strive/struggle but the islamic meaning given after islam was fight in the way of Allaah swt.

i got this from the talks of awlaki (if im mistaken please correct me inshaAllaah)

 

[FollowingAlhuda]

Islam supports nothing than it self!

The question has to be..
Are some muslims violent???

 

[north_malaysian]

Are some muslims violent???

Yes... and also ....

some Jews are violent too
some christians are violent too
some hindus are violent too
some atheists are violent too
some satanists are violent too ... etc.

 

[Akil]

Calling any religion a religion of peace is condescending. It’s like calling a retarded child a very special boy. As if we have to call Islam a religion of peace because it has a problem with violence.

I agree with the poster that said that Islam is a religion of justice. However the deen itself can and has been twisted unrecognizable by those who would use it as a means of control.

No religion has a monopoly on violence.

 

[Pygoscelis]

While there are pacifists and violent monsters within most religions, I don't think its fair to equate them all as "equally prone to violence". Can you imagine a violent sector of the Jain religion?

 

[lolwatever]

^ wats the pacificsts and monsters to do with the religion itself :?

The question is, is Islam a Violent religion, Akil gave a good reply.... it's a religion of justice, not violence.

Violence is a very very very very very very emotionally loaded term... you can't say a soldier is being violent when he tries to subdue a rebel innit? atleast not in the negative sense of the term.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ;

While there are pacifists and violent monsters within most religions, I don't think its fair to equate them all as "equally prone to violence". Can you imagine a violent sector of the Jain religion?

to be honest , i dont know much about Jain/Jainism. Most probably , there are very few Jains in the world if u compare their population with Muslims.

Islam is the fastest growing religion........ u will see Muslims almost everywhere. I don't think , we will see many Jains except in India or few other places.

Anyway , Media don't relate religion with crime unless s/he is a Muslim...that's the problem.


If any Jain does anything wrong , media won't say that his/her holy book is responsible for that. Media never relate religion with Hitler..... It's the double standard of the media.....u won't find any Jew or Christian terrorist ever... ..get the point ?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Salaam/peace ;



to be honest , i dont know much about Jain/Jainism. Most probably , there are very few Jains in the world if u compare their population with Muslims.

I used Jainism as an example because they are extreme pacifists. These are the people who will not kill a fly because it would be morally wrong to them to do so. THe more hard core you become as a Jain, the more of a pacifist you become. I don't think it would be possible to interpret Jainism in such a way as to lead somebody to violence (as people have done with Islam and Christianity).

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace to u & all;

I used Jainism as an example because they are extreme pacifists. These are the people who will not kill a fly because it would be morally wrong to them to do so. THe more hard core you become as a Jain, the more of a pacifist you become. I don't think it would be possible to interpret Jainism in such a way as to lead somebody to violence (as people have done with Islam and Christianity).

I used Jainism as an example because they are extreme pacifists. These are the people who will not kill a fly because it would be morally wrong to them to do so

----Islam does not encourage to sit idle when something needs to be done. It's allowed to punish criminals i.e death penalty but unnecessary , we must not harm a single tree.