Beslan - Why did it Happen?

[Chechen]

If any person supports putting the lives of children at risk, and threatening to kill them to further their cause, then they need mental help.

Oh yeah sure who cares if 300 000 Chechens among them 45 000 children have died these last 12 years. But you have to realise 300 Russian children died! Oh my god. We don't care about the Chechens they're dirty muslims anyway.

 

[SilentObserver]

Oh yeah sure who cares if 300 000 Chechens among them 45 000 children have died these last 12 years. But you have to realise 300 Russian children died! Oh my god. We don't care about the Chechens they're dirty muslims anyway.

You seem to know me well.

I don't support any children being killed anywhere. Not chechen, not russian, not any. Any person that puts a child at risk to further any cause is a worthless coward.

 

[Chechen]

You seem to know me well.

I don't support any children being killed anywhere. Not chechen, not russian, not any. Any person that puts a child at risk to further any cause is a worthless coward.

Worse is the one that orders their death.

 

[SilentObserver]

Worse is the one that orders their death.

One is as bad as the other, and that certainly does not justify what these terrorists did at Beslan school.

 

[Chechen]

One is as bad as the other, and that certainly does not justify what these terrorists did at Beslan school.

After going through every kind of terrible torture all your life you will see that even you will be desperate and ready to do anything extreme. They wanted to stop the war as fast as possible. Of course it's bad that the children died but that's not what was in their plan they didn't plan for anyone to die.

 

[AmarFaisal]

It is a shame that we Muslims and our leaders r so weak today that we cannot stand together against the attrocities towards Muslims
This forces our brave Mujahideen from all around the world to act wrongly. Taking children hostage and suicide bombings of innocent civilians r all wrong acts. I guess, this is the frustration of the Mujahedeen, who r fighting evil.
very sad!!

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

Interesting how WWII leaders are praised for their actions wich included the unnecessary bombings of Dresden( yes there were innocent children living there) by Churchill and the atomic bombs on Japan ( yes little kids were wiped out aswell) by Truman

If there names aren't dented by these actions but praised as heroes because they in time of war were cornered and claimed they were left with no choice but to act,why should i pull Shamil's name through the mud when he felt the same way about the war his people are fighting against Russia who commits thousands of beslan's? and when it went wrong he apologized, i think that shows the man has morals and character and is nothing like the stereotype of him being a bloodthirsty child killer!

not many military leaders have the courage to admit their mistakes and apologize for it!

 

[SilentObserver]

After going through every kind of terrible torture all your life you will see that even you will be desperate and ready to do anything extreme. They wanted to stop the war as fast as possible. Of course it's bad that the children died but that's not what was in their plan they didn't plan for anyone to die.

There is no justification. Pathetic, worthless cowards. There can be no sympathy for them, they are not even worthy of contempt. They terrorized children. They are pigs. There is no defense for anyone that would do this to children.

 

[Keltoi]

The same old defense....paraphrase("We were so mistreated that butchering 200 children can be justified") Pathetic and actually frightening. I suppose you would support a U.S. military unit capturing an Islamic school and murdering 200 children because Muslims have been responsible for atrocities against Americans? If you want to talk about hypocrisy be consistent, otherwise you are calling the kettle black.

 

[Trumble]

There is no justification. Pathetic, worthless cowards. There can be no sympathy for them, they are not even worthy of contempt. They terrorized children. They are pigs. There is no defense for anyone that would do this to children.

Hear, hear. There are no excuses for such actions, and trying to make them is, frankly, pathetic.

This incident was an absolute disaster to the Chechen cause. It achieved nothing apart from causing what had been considerable support from outside Russia to dry up completely. The Russians had claimed they were fighting their own "war on terror", and overnight Beslan made it impossible to deny that that must be at least partly true. I would have thought Chechens would condemn those responsible for treachery and total incompetence, even if murdering children doesn't bother them.

 

[Chechnya]

I think what it cmoes down to is whose children are dying.

About 40,000 Chechen children have been killed - Putin has received support and the slow genocide of the Chechen population is accepted. Their hasnt been a massive outcry over this - in fact quite the opposite, most world leaders are willing to meet and greet him. No talk of terrorism their.

Someone reacts in a desperate attempt to stop the slaughter of his people and 300 people die and all of a sudden its the worst thing ever.

People should never involve children, right? - so why are democratically elected leaders in the west supporting child murderer Putin?

If your so worried about children dying in this conflict where was the outcry when it was just Chechen children being slaughtered before beslan?

How many children have the democratically elected leaders of the US, UK and Israel killed in their various conflicts? Oh sorry that was just "collateral damage"...:rollseyes

As i said it all depends on whose child you happen to be.

 

[SilentObserver]

I think what it cmoes down to is whose children are dying.

About 40,000 Chechen children have been killed - Putin has received support and the slow genocide of the Chechen population is accepted. Their hasnt been a massive outcry over this - in fact quite the opposite, most world leaders are willing to meet and greet him. No talk of terrorism their.

Someone reacts in a desperate attempt to stop the slaughter of his people and 300 people die and all of a sudden its the worst thing ever.

People should never involve children, right? - so why are democratically elected leaders in the west supporting child murderer Putin?

If your so worried about children dying in this conflict where was the outcry when it was just Chechen children being slaughtered before beslan?

How many children have the democratically elected leaders of the US, UK and Israel killed in their various conflicts? Oh sorry that was just "collateral damage"...:rollseyes

As i said it all depends on whose child you happen to be.

Hey, you are the one portraying the murderers of children as heroes here.

Nobody said anything about any other children being killed. You bring that up now to distract from the topic. We are talking about Beslan, not the US, UK or Israel. Children being killed anywhere by anyone is wrong, period.
These pigs at Beslan cannot be defended. They will burn for what they did to those children. It is immoral, and disgusting to think that anyone would defend the murder and terrorizing of children, for any cause.

The "brave" fighters took children as hostages. Why not soldiers, construction workers, or an office building? Because they were cowards and went after the easiest targets. Children. What's next? A senior citizens home?

Hear, hear. There are no excuses for such actions, and trying to make them is, frankly, pathetic.

This incident was an absolute disaster to the Chechen cause. It achieved nothing apart from causing what had been considerable support from outside Russia to dry up completely. The Russians had claimed they were fighting their own "war on terror", and overnight Beslan made it impossible to deny that that must be at least partly true. I would have thought Chechens would condemn those responsible for treachery and total incompetence, even if murdering children doesn't bother them.

I thought the same thing.

 

[Chechnya]

Hey, you are the one portraying the murderers of children as heroes here.

Shamil Basayev is a hero for all that he has done previously for the Chechen cause but not for Beslan.

Nobody said anything about any other children being killed. You bring that up now to distract from the topic. We are talking about Beslan, not the US, UK or Israel.

Just proved my point - you are only willing to talk about non-muslim children and not the crimes which are carried out by western nations.
If your so against kids dying, theres no harm in discussing it either - in fact it relates directly to this discussion. To what extent should children be involved in wars.
Beslan is off-limits to you obviously (me too) so what about bombing cities from the air KNOWING hundreds/thousands of children are gonne die in the process - acceptable or not?

The "brave" fighters took children as hostages. Why not soldiers, construction workers, or an office building? Because they were cowards and went after the easiest targets. Children. What's next? A senior citizens home?

Well if you study the course of the chechn-russian war, you will see those that fought say in the battle for grozny - like the leader of the hostage-takers did - are quite clearly not cowards.

Facing the worst bombardment since the second world war with no air cover to portect you and only a rifle to fight back with takes an unbelievable amount of courage, im sure you'd agree?

Im pretty sure no-one in this forum could manage that

 

[snakelegs]

i'm not sure about beslan specifically, but this litvinenko (the russian spy) case has some really interesting allegations re: chechnian terrorism.
if true, some of these terrorist attacks that have been attributed to the chechnians, were actually carried out by the russian secret police.
here's a thread with some of the info:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/33463-litvinenko-terrorism-chechnya.html
i don't know if the truth will ever come out.

 

[SilentObserver]

Shamil Basayev is a hero

Shamil Basayev was, and forever will be, a piece of garbage that attacked and killed civilians, including hundreds of children.

Just proved my point - you are only willing to talk about non-muslim children and not the crimes which are carried out by western nations.

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there.

 

[SilentObserver]

i'm not sure about beslan specifically, but this litvinenko (the russian spy) case has some really interesting allegations re: chechnian terrorism.
if true, some of these terrorist attacks that have been attributed to the chechnians, were actually carried out by the russian secret police.
here's a thread with some of the info:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/33463-litvinenko-terrorism-chechnya.html
i don't know if the truth will ever come out.

litvinenko has been proven to have been somewhat of a nutcase. He made many outrageous claims including that he had video of Putin engaged in homosexual sex.

 

[Chechnya]

Shamil Basayev was, and forever will be, a piece of garbage that attacked and killed civilians, including hundreds of children.

Sure he will mate

Carry on taking the pills :mmokay:

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there

Your casual side-step of the questions asked leads me to think that you believe in some cases it is OK for children to be killed.

I.e if children are killed in Kabul or Baghdad because of ariel bombardment - im sure you would put a different spin on it - am i correct or am i correct?

So it seems after all this arguing and wasting of my time - you do believe children can be killed in war but for you it is the manner of their death

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there.

topic 13 year old Palestianian schoolgirl "riddled with bullets" by IDF

your first reply

This happened over two years ago. Isn't the world affairs section for current world affairs?

funny how passionate you are about an incident that involved non muslim kids evendo it happened 2 years ago but don't show the same passion when it involves muslim kids because it happened 2 years ago

hmmm....

 

[snakelegs]

litvinenko has been proven to have been somewhat of a nutcase. He made many outrageous claims including that he had video of Putin engaged in homosexual sex.

i haven't seen anything about this case for awhile. do you have any links?
i'd appreciate.

 

[SilentObserver]

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there.

topic 13 year old Palestianian schoolgirl "riddled with bullets" by IDF

your first reply

This happened over two years ago. Isn't the world affairs section for current world affairs?

funny how passionate you are about an incident that involved non muslim kids evendo it happened 2 years ago but don't show the same passion when it involves muslim kids because it happened 2 years ago

hmmm....

Nice try. But any person with intelligence can see the difference in situations. The purpose of the schoolgirl thread was not anyone defending child murderers, it was the tired old routine of anti-sematic, "look at the horrible jews" that gets played too often here.

This thread's purpose was to defend the intentional terrorizing of children. The purpose of this thread is deplorable.
There is an obvious difference between the purpose of both threads, and both were responded to accordingly.

In the other thread, I was asked if I felt sorry for the girl. I responded no, that I felt sorry for her mother. The girl is in a better place than us now.

Now, if I had been asked specifically in the other thread what I thought about a soldier emptying his clip into a girl at close range, I would have said something like the following; "If the witness account is correct that the soldier did this, then he is a worthless piece of garbage just like Shamil Basayev. The both of them can burn in hell.