why isn't prophet mohamed ?

[- Qatada -]

It is clearly stated that the Moshiach will accomplish this in his life time, and if he is killed or dies, he is definitly not the Moshiach, because G-d would not send Moshiach and let him die before his mission is complete.

And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

And there is none of the People of the Book [jews & christians] but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-​

[Qur'an 4:157-9]​

 

[IzakHalevas]

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And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.​

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And there is none of the People of the Book [jews & christians] but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-​

[Qur'an 4:157-9]​

What does that contribute to anything?

 

[- Qatada -]

The Messiah son of Maryam (peace be upon them) wasn't killed, he was raised back upto Allaah and will return. Hence he hasn't died, and hasn't completed his mission yet. He will come back and slay ad-dajjaal (the anti christ.)


I'm thinking you mean Messiah by saying Moshiach right?



Peace.

 

[dream gurl]

anyway I heard dat da bible its self was changed severel times during past time and in another hand da quran still remain da same since one thousand and 5 hundered something years which still remain da same infor.......................................



:quran:

 

[dougmusr]

This is not a Muslim belief, you just made this up.

I didn't make it up, it is in the Hadith. I am not saying you believe what is written there.

However, we don't turn to Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) to ask for his intercession. we turn to God. Because we know that the only way he will ever get this position on the Day of Judgement is because God will allow it.

So the people will come to the Prophets, each of whom will say, “I am not able for it,” until when they come to our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he will say, “I am able for it, I am able for it.” So he will intercede for them, that judgement may be passed. This is the greater intercession, and it is one of the things that belong exclusively to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The above quotes are in disagreement. You say you don't turn to Muhammad,
but your quoted explanation of the Hadith indicates that "the people will come to the Prophets" to request intercession.

It isn't true that Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is the agent through which forgiveness is given. I'll ask you not to misrepresent Islamich teachings, thank you very much.

Again, I am only showing what I found in the Hadith. I haven't a clue whether it agrees with Islamic teaching or not. I am at a disadvantage in that I can only read and interpret the text as it is written. It would take years of study before I could know if the text means what it says or not.

 

[Makky]

If one is to accept that the word Machmad refers to Muhammad then one should look at all the occurrences of that word. When one does this one can see why only the occurrence in the Song of Solomon is cited by Moslems. The others tell one that Machmad was destroyed (2 Chron. 36:19), was to be laid waste (Isa. 64:10-11), has been taken captive by an enemy (Lam. 1:10), has been traded for food (Lam. 1:11), has been slain by G-d (Lam. 2:4; Hos. 9:16), has been removed by G-d (Ezek. 24:16), is to be profaned by G-d (Ezek. 24:21), is to be buried in nettles (Hos. 9:6) and been carried away by pagans into their temples (Joel 3:5). Even an unkind person would not attribute all these things to Muhammad


I have to go now. Peace.

You didn't answer.. what is the difference between the 2 words
مُحَمدٌ

محمد​

 

[Abu Zakariya]

I didn't make it up, it is in the Hadith.

No, this is a lie. You said that the Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is God's agent through which forgiveness is given. This isn't in the hadith.

I am not saying you believe what is written there.

What you said isn't written there. What the hadith says, however, is what we indeed believe. And it doesn't say what you said. It basically mentions that in the Hearafter, the Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) will ask God for certain things. And this will occur because God will allow it.

The above quotes are in disagreement. You say you don't turn to Muhammad, but your quoted explanation of the Hadith indicates that "the people will come to the Prophets" to request intercession.

What I said is that we don't ask Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) to interced for us. And we don't, because it's forbidden since it's polytheism to turn to Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) instead of God. So if we want Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) to intercede for us, we turn directly to God and ask Him of it directly.

What the quote mentions is that on the Day of Judgement, when Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) will be present, the people will go to him and ask him to intercede.

So the difference is that now we don't ask for Muhammads (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) intercession from him, since he is dead and can't hear us. But on the Day of Judgement, when he along with all mankind, will be resurrected then they will go to him and ask him to go to God and make the process of judging begin. I hope you see the difference. We don't ask for his intercession because he isn't among us and can't hear us, but we will ask him when he is present and can hear us.

What we mean by intercession for forgiveness is that Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) will ask God to forgive his followers. It doesn't mean that we turn to him or that God's forvigeness is bound by that intercession. In fact, the only way he ever could intercede is by God's permission in the first place!

Again, I am only showing what I found in the Hadith. I haven't a clue whether it agrees with Islamic teaching or not. I am at a disadvantage in that I can only read and interpret the text as it is written. It would take years of study before I could know if the text means what it says or not.

But if you aren't qualified to deduce what Islam says about these issues, why do it in the first place? You aren't only showing what the hadith says, you're reading stuff into it.

 

[One Man Army]

why did muhammad come at that time? and year? is there a link in the cycle of prophets? do they come ever so often (according to islam)?

 

[dougmusr]

But if you aren't qualified to deduce what Islam says about these issues, why do it in the first place? You aren't only showing what the hadith says, you're reading stuff into it.

Let me see if I understand. The text in the Quran and Hadith does not mean what it says. It is in fact spiritually encrypted and requires a key for understanding. Those who do not have this understanding should avoid reading it lest they misinterpret its teaching. Is this what you are saying?

So the difference is that now we don't ask for Muhammads (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) intercession from him, since he is dead and can't hear us. But on the Day of Judgement, when he along with all mankind, will be resurrected then they will go to him and ask him to go to God and make the process of judging begin. I hope you see the difference. We don't ask for his intercession because he isn't among us and can't hear us, but we will ask him when he is present and can hear us.

Jesus still lives. Can you go to Him for intercession?

 

[Abu Zakariya]

Let me see if I understand. The text in the Quran and Hadith does not mean what it says. It is in fact spiritually encrypted and requires a key for understanding. Those who do not have this understanding should avoid reading it lest they misinterpret its teaching. Is this what you are saying?

That's not what I'm saying. I explained earlier why you can't read one isolated hadith and try to deduce what Islam teaches based on this one hadith. And when you on top of that read things into the hadith that aren't there, that's even worse.
You read this one hadith, and then came to the conclusion that it teaches that Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) knows what is in the hearts of men. However, if you knew about the other hadith I quoted - which explicitly mentions that he doesn't know what's concealed in the hearts of men - you would not have said what you said (unless you're deceitful, which I don't think you are).
That is what I'm trying to say.

Jesus still lives. Can you go to Him for intercession?

We don't believe that Jesus ('alayhi salam) is omnipresent. He doesn't hear everything. So if I asked him for something, he wouldn't be able to respond.

 

[dougmusr]

That's not what I'm saying. I explained earlier why you can't read one isolated hadith and try to deduce what Islam teaches based on this one hadith. And when you on top of that read things into the hadith that aren't there, that's even worse.

Would you agree that the same might be true of the way Muslims should treat the Bible and Christian belief on this forum?

However, if you knew about the other hadith I quoted - which explicitly mentions that he doesn't know what's concealed in the hearts of men - you would not have said what you said (unless you're deceitful, which I don't think you are).

Are you saying that it is possible for these two hadith to make opposite claims and not be in conflict?

 

[Abu Zakariya]

Would you agree that the same might be true of the way Muslims should treat the Bible and Christian belief on this forum?

Yes.

Are you saying that it is possible for these two hadith to make opposite claims and not be in conflict?

They're not making opposite claims. The first hadith isn't saying that Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) knows what people believe in their hearts.

 

[dougmusr]

They're not making opposite claims. The first hadith isn't saying that Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) knows what people believe in their hearts.

Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed.

 

[- Qatada -]

Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed.

And there are also many ahadith within sahih al bukhari and muslim [hence their authentic] which mention that the people who will be removed from the hellfire are those who have the marks of prostration on their foreheads. Allaah has forbidden the fire to burn that.


Peace.

 

[FBI]

in whose hearts there is faith

Which is Islam.

 

[Trumble]

You didn't answer.. what is the difference between the 2 words
مُحَمدٌ

محمد​

As he hasn't, could somebody else put us non-Arabic readers out of our curiosity?

 

[Malaikah]

^Yeh me too... from what I can see they are exactly the same words, it says Muhammad, one has the vowel markings and the other doesn't... which doesn't mean much because people who can read Arabic can read it without the vowel markings anyway...

But it would be interesting to know what point the person is trying to make.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed.

It doesn't say that Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) has knowledge of what is in the hearts of men. And since other hadiths clearly contradict such a notion, that isn't the case.
As I explained earlier, it will be known that some people have faith by their appearance. Or maybe God will tell Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) which one's should be taken out. I'm not sure about this specific thing. However, nowhere does it say that he posseses the knowledge of the unseen.

 

[One Man Army]

can someone explain why did muhammad sahib come specifically at that time? what was the state of the world? and what did muhammads messege change to the current things that where occuring in the world.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

can someone explain why did muhammad sahib come specifically at that time? what was the state of the world? and what did muhammads messege change to the current things that where occuring in the world.

if you have time i recommend you listen to the seerah of prophet muhammad saws which explains everything in great detail, why he came, the condition, what his mission was etc etc.

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic...ures-free-inshaallaah-4.html?highlight=awlaki

The Life oF the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) Makkan Period

Check it out