Honor Killings Plague Pakistan

Naira said:
Governments do punish honor killers but only after the crime is comitted, like if someone commits a crime in his house how come Government would know before it is reported or tracked by someone and above all honor killings are being committed mostly in the down trodden and far flung areas and villages where people are mostly illiterate and they have no knowledge of correct Shariah.
So if we want to eliminate the abuses like honor killings from the society the government should introduce shariah laws according to quran and Sunnah and start programs to teach people about Quran and Sunnah
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Beyond the Indo-Pakistan region, where else are "honor" killings taking place?
 
Grace Seeker said:
Beyond the Indo-Pakistan region, where else are "honor" killings taking place?
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Here where i live there is not such a thing. If you still wish to do it, you will get the free house for the next 25 years from the state. So its better to work to build your own house, than to kill other relatives.
My mom told me, when she was a child, and the elders respected the moral teachings and wanted to correct certain men and women faults without to send them in jail (the adultery was punished by state with jail, not a good option for everyone)- they took the couple, or just one of them, depend who was theculprit, took out from several pillows the goose feathers, over which they pour gas, diesel gas. After that undressed them, and roll over in the composition. They were so ashamed, than no one tried to cheat his wife or husband again.:-[
 
Explain more please. My daughter is from Turkey. She has told me that this is against the law, but sometimes still happens in the eastern part of the country.

Are you suggesting that it is still true throughout the whole country, even though it is against the law?
 
The root cause in this situation (with regards to Pakistan) is the existance of a feudal system. Where landlords exist and have slaves etc.

If this system was crushed once and for all we would see stuff like this vanishing insha'allah.
 
Assalaamu Alaykum,

For the non Muslims peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

as others have stated this is a totally un-Islamic custom that is abolished where Shariah is practiced and known amongst communities Muslim and non Muslim where Shariah isn’t present.

I say Muslim and non Muslim because in the indo-pak continent there are also many such ‘honour’ killings amongst the Sikh and Hindu community and also such problems amongst the Sikhs and Hindus in Britain also but they are not often reported as such.

So indo-pak you have this problem amongst all, yet Islam teaches that honour is only in Islam not in pre-Islamic cultural crap like so called honour killings.

Same in some parts of Arabia, where once again there is a culture of honour killings coming from before Islam, yet this problem is there I understand more prevalent amongst the Christian Arabs than amongst the Muslims but nobody would make the unjust allegation that they are doing this because they are Christian, this would be wrong and a slander against Christianity.

Once again in Eastern Turkey, the practice is known amongst all groups but most well known amongst the Alawite Sect, who the Muslims are agreed are disbelievers and amongst their disbelief is their denial of the Quran where Allah tells mankind that men and women can reach Jannah, where as the Alawites say a women doesn’t have a soul and cannot enter Jannah in her own right (similar to Christian belief until one or two centuries ago).

So we can see this is a condemned practice in Islam. Islam comes to lift up mankind from such evil practices and that where Islam is sincerely practiced such practices become very rare or almost unknown but such things are not even unknown in the UK, how often does a man kill his daughter because he doesn’t like her boyfriend?

It isn’t common but it isn’t unknown, such things were much more common and beatings and attacks against women who married outside of the white community were quite well known in the white British community until quite recently but no one cries honour killings or honour attacks but in truth this is what it is, just less formalised.

Assalaamu Alaykum,

For the non Muslims peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

Abu Abdullah
 
Ignorant Pakistanis muslims are an embarrassment to Islam & Pakistan.

But, while mullahs are getting together and dishing out fatwas which is all good and proper, why don't they put in some effort to spread the real islam. A lot of cultural crap is based on lack of knowledge and fatwas can't terminate ignorance. Only education can.
 
Not just the feudal system running in Pakistan but also the Kings and Queens of the Arabic world; embarrassments to the entire Muslim ummah.

What I find the most shocking is instead of passing fatwas against the Kings and Queens, the grand muftis are too busy passing fatwas on what length the beard must be.

Unfortunately instead of Khilifat, the Muslims generally have reverted to other political systems.

Monarchy
Feudalism
Communism
Capitalism
Democracy
Secularism

But we dont see any where a Khilifat.
And unless we reject all other political systems and put aside our nationalistic feelings, we will never see light of the day.
 
akulion said:
Not just the feudal system running in Pakistan but also the Kings and Queens of the Arabic world; embarrassments to the entire Muslim ummah.

What I find the most shocking is instead of passing fatwas against the Kings and Queens, the grand muftis are too busy passing fatwas on what length the beard must be.

Unfortunately instead of Khilifat, the Muslims generally have reverted to other political systems.

Monarchy
Feudalism
Communism
Capitalism
Democracy
Secularism

But we dont see any where a Khilifat.
And unless we reject all other political systems and put aside our nationalistic feelings, we will never see light of the day.
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assalaamu alaykum,

some scholars do speak about these issues you mention, but yes they also speak about the need for observing the sunnah.

at the end of the day we get the rulers we deserve, so we need to work towards a khilafat and on improving the ummah at the same time as why should Allah reward the muslims with a khilafat with the state of the ummah as it is?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Walikum Salam

Yes but unfortunately those scholars are the ones who are put behind bars or killed or even in many cases declared 'enemy of the state'

It seems the 'muslim states' are opposed to having a Khilifat, so that speaks volumes about the governments running them!

As for why a Muslim state should exist? plainly because it will help better people and provide people with justice hopefully.

Success and failure is in Allahs hands, but at the same time we should try or at least raise our voice against injustices
 
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It seems the 'muslim states' are opposed to having a Khilifat, so that speaks volumes about the governments running them!
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Maybe they realise if the islamic state returns they won't have their names on the doors of the Haramain.

As for why a Muslim state should exist? plainly because it will help better people and provide people with justice hopefully.
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Another reason for this is some known scholars will actually get off their behinds and declare jihad as they use the lack of an Khalifa as an excuse for Jihad.
 

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