U.S. Launches Attack on Suspected Al Qaeda Members in Somalia

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

i was referrin to MTAFFI's post.
Stuff comin from the ignorant media...

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

sorry sis my bad!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^ its okie

 

[Nuseyba bintkab]

i just fell sorry for somalia only allah can help them now

 

[Snowflake]

MTAFFI;626737]You said anti-peace first, I was simply responding, read my other post to skillganon, I was meaning to say this is how Islam is being labeled by a lot of people, not that I think it is, I have Muslim friends and they are peace loving people

These are your words - right? I rest my case.

Islam is anti-peace because it continues to show itself killing itself and everyone around it to do what? The people at the market places, the people in the trade center, the people just driving down the road. They dont even have a target, it is just whoever is around is who gets it. At least when the US attacks they have a specific target

Btw does this look like the US hit their targets? They don't even know if the casualties are terrorists. Pffft!

Original post: A U.S. Air Force AC-130 gunship carried out the attack as part of an ongoing operation. The official reports casualties on the ground, but is not sure if they are suspected terrorists.

maybe but where would Islam be all of its people would have blown themselves up to get rid of everyone else

You misunderstand. If Islam preached wiping out all non-muslims, it would've happened long before bombs were made. Yes, before suicide bombers came into existence. So there' would've been no oppression that gave bith to suicide bombers in the first place.

right so they go and do that and they are heros and martyrs, what is the difference

Did I say that? You said they have no reason, so I gave you one.

terrorist wont hide in the US because they know the US would be all over them, to bad all countries dont have that policy huh? Otherwise none of this would be going on

Again, you misunderstood. By your country, I meant if terrorists were hiding in a non muslim country, would Bush attack it? I think we all know the answer to that - unless he wanted to start WW3.

If the US would be all over them, then Al-Qaeda would've been finished a long time ago - considering the US blames Al-Qaeda for 11 Sept attacks they're still at large.

thanks for putting words in my mouth, as I said I have Muslim friends so they arent all the same to me and many are very good people, however there is a high concentration of the bad one in the mid east

Oh yes! They aren't all the same but we're not talking about them. We are talking about Islam, which in your own words, you've already said is anti-peace. I wonder what your friends think about your views on their religion?

 

[MTAFFI]

Oh yes! They aren't all the same but we're not talking about them. We are talking about Islam, which in your own words, you've already said is anti-peace. I wonder what your friends think about your views on their religion?

they know how i feel about the people that share your views

 

[Snowflake]

they know how i feel about the people that share your views

Your third misunderstanding so far. They are not my views, but the reason for terrorism.

 

[MTAFFI]

Your third misunderstanding so far. They are not my views, but the reason for terrorism.

yeah everything is something else right? Or you just bend what you say to conform to the next statement. I do not wish to continue speaking to you in this post or any other. You have your views and I have mine, I make no reasons for terrorism and you do. You comments are arrogant and close minded. You can talk and put up your one liners all you want but you are ignorant to what is really going on, may God help you.

 

[MTAFFI]

what do you mean with ''this''? listen i don't care what type of ill feelings you have towards my people but i appreciated it if you came out of the closet directly instead releasing your hidden feelings piece by piece

be direct!

"this" as in anarchy and war, I have no ill feelings towards islam, only those who exploit it for their own ill intentions

ugh poor poor west people always blame them, the Iraqies, the Afghans, the Somalis, and maybe in future also the Persians why o why? poor poor west i bet these people blame the west because they have to much time on their hands :rollseyes it can't be because we drop bombs on their civilians because we want to catch 2/3 people or accuse them of having nukes no that can't be the reason it can't because we invade them with brute force or use proxies no nowaymg:

ugh poor poor west i feel your pain

RIGHT
you may know something about where you live but let see what you know of the others you speak of.
Afghans
oh poor afghans helped by the US to fight the Soviets, then go into civil war and then helped by the US to topple the Taliban regime. Tell me, how do you feel about the Taliban?

Iraqis
Helped by the US to fight Iran, ruled by a ruthless dictator, US captures dictator and free them from the oppression. Now the US is fighting against those who wish to rule in Saddams fashion, yet I would bet you say that we just want the oil. Try this, maybe we just dont want another Saddam.

and then my personal favorite POOR IRAN
these wonderful Persians who chant "death to america" but we shouldnt worry about them. A leader trying desperately to acquire nuclear weapons, but we shouldnt worry he has a real peaceful track record. A country that oppresses its people, no dont worry. Oh and a country that has called for another to be wiped off the map, no worries just take it with a grain of salt right?

Somalia

Yeah I actually do feel sorry for these people, however not for those who were harboring those terrorist. They knew the risk and they took it, it is their fault.

reread my previous long post Somalia made unbelieveable progress and many sectors outdo neighbouring countries that's what i was saying it's to bad you fail to process it!

as i said i really dont know much about Somalias economics, so good for them if the facts in your post are all true.

i don't have time for your divide, praise and diss tactics but this is all have left to say Iraq would be doing a lot better today if the UN didn't strangle them for a decade and the US brutally invaded them on lies in 2003

yeah they would be doing great under a murderer/dictator who killed everyone who didnt like him, they were doing wonderful.

wich were never found :thumbs_up

yeah that is a real thumbs up, I guess you are another peace lover huh?

 

[Skillganon]

Their is a programmed on "Islam Channel" called Ummah Talk which is talking about Somalia.

Started at 3:00pm

 

[Snowflake]

MTAFFI;627541]yeah everything is something else right? Or you just bend what you say to conform to the next statement.

For some who misunderstood what I said many a time, it is no surprise that my statements seem bent to you. In future learn to distinguish the difference of when a person is stating their own views or the views that lead to something you disagree with. I am not afraid of you to have to bend what I say. If I was pro-terrorism I said it loud and clear. Maybe it's your understanding of what someone means that is warped.


I do not wish to continue speaking to you in this post or any other.
Oh, good! The feeling's mutual then.

You have your views and I have mine, I make no reasons for terrorism and you do.

There you go again. For the fourth time. Like I said before if I was pro-terrorist I'd say it. Do you think I'm scared? I gave you the reasons for terrorism, not because I agree with killing innocent non muslims but because those are the reasons behind terrorist acts. How hard is that to understand?

You comments are arrogant and close minded. You can talk and put up your one liners all you want but you are ignorant to what is really going on, may God help you.

My comments reflect facts. Maybe you are not broad-minded enough acknowledge people will do anything out of desperation e.g terrorism. At least, I can acknowledge why they're doin it without condoning it. Furthermore, what hope have I that you will understand simple one-liners when you had difficulty understanding things I'd spelt out so clearly?!

Peace.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

RIGHT
you may know something about where you live but let see what you know of the others you speak of.
Afghans
oh poor afghans helped by the US to fight the Soviets, then go into civil war and then helped by the US to topple the Taliban regime. Tell me, how do you feel about the Taliban?
Iraqis
Helped by the US to fight Iran, ruled by a ruthless dictator, US captures dictator and free them from the oppression. Now the US is fighting against those who wish to rule in Saddams fashion, yet I would bet you say that we just want the oil. Try this, maybe we just dont want another Saddam.

you paint the picture of the US being anti-Dictatorships why aren't they freeing the Habashi people from oppression? why are they supporting warlords that are oppressing the Somali people? you might not like the governing style of the Taliban or Saddam but in reality there no different from Meles Zenawi and his onslaught on the Aunuks or Abdullahi Yusuf's warlord history.

and then my personal favorite POOR IRAN
these wonderful Persians who chant "death to america" but we shouldnt worry about them. A leader trying desperately to acquire nuclear weapons, but we shouldnt worry he has a real peaceful track record. A country that oppresses its people, no dont worry. Oh and a country that has called for another to be wiped off the map, no worries just take it with a grain of salt right?

Last time i checked Kim was doing actual nuke tests i think the West has bigger things to worry about than Iran

Somalia

Yeah I actually do feel sorry for these people, however not for those who were harboring those terrorist. They knew the risk and they took it, it is their fault.

they are a only fraction of the wider population that got bombed or gunned down by that crazy airplane you could be socializing with terrorists from any background without knowing it wether your going to the gym or going to college or work you simply can't tell, i don't think these farmers that were killed really paid attention to these characters that were suposibly there

yeah they would be doing great under a murderer/dictator who killed everyone who didnt like him, they were doing wonderful.

1 million died from the UN sanctions and from Jan 06 to Dec 06 alone 34/36 000 died from violence

yeah that is a real thumbs up, I guess you are another peace lover huh?

70 dead civilians to apprehend 2 guys(who were never catched) is a real thumbs up indeed

 

[MTAFFI]

For some who misunderstood what I said many a time, it is no surprise that my statements seem bent to you. In future learn to distinguish the difference of when a person is stating their own views or the views that lead to something you disagree with. I am not afraid of you to have to bend what I say. If I was pro-terrorism I said it loud and clear. Maybe it's your understanding of what someone means that is warped.


I do not wish to continue speaking to you in this post or any other.
Oh, good! The feeling's mutual then.



There you go again. For the fourth time. Like I said before if I was pro-terrorist I'd say it. Do you think I'm scared? I gave you the reasons for terrorism, not because I agree with killing innocent non muslims but because those are the reasons behind terrorist acts. How hard is that to understand?


My comments reflect facts. Maybe you are not broad-minded enough acknowledge people will do anything out of desperation e.g terrorism. At least, I can acknowledge why they're doin it without condoning it. Furthermore, what hope have I that you will understand simple one-liners when you had difficulty understanding things I'd spelt out so clearly?!

Peace.

sure whatever you say! I dont understand anything and you understand everything. If only I could be as educated as yourself to understand why anyone would think it is ok to commit these atrocities! To be honest I would rather not understand their logic being as flawed and corrupted as it is.

ps read your post a #132, you are actually the one who brought up Islam being anti peace, I just forgot to point this out earlier. I simply gave you a reason some may view it that way. Also let me point out in that post, you admitted that the suicide bombers kill innocent people. These are the people that you can understand? and not directly stick up for but make excuses for their behavior? You may not come out and say that you agree with their behavior but you sure do project it that way

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

She said the word anti peace. She didnt say Islam was! She said so many people think that way, she wasnt referring to herself. There's a difference in bringing it up and really meaning it! Which u did by the way.

 

[MTAFFI]

She said the word anti peace. She didnt say Islam was! She said so many people think that way, she wasnt referring to herself. There's a difference in bringing it up and really meaning it! Which u did by the way.

well tayyaba I am glad you can tell me what i really meant! Although you must not have read further down in the post where I apologized and explained that was not what I meant. Please also notice that I never said that she said Islam was anti peace only that she used the term first, which is why it was on my post.

 

[MTAFFI]

you paint the picture of the US being anti-Dictatorships why aren't they freeing the Habashi people from oppression? why are they supporting warlords that are oppressing the Somali people? you might not like the governing style of the Taliban or Saddam but in reality there no different from Meles Zenawi and his onslaught on the Aunuks or Abdullahi Yusuf's warlord history.

Then he should be stopped as well, but then again if the US were to help we would probably be told we are invading a country, didnt belong there and be attacked by its people once that ruthless man was taken down.

Last time i checked Kim was doing actual nuke tests i think the West has bigger things to worry about than Iran

are you suggesting the US doesnt have its eye on Kim? Last I checked his country was in shambles because of the economic sanctions the US implemented. So I guess since they already have one madman to watch out for they should allow the other to get into that position so the US and the rest of the world have to watch out from them too??

they are a only fraction of the wider population that got bombed or gunned down by that crazy airplane you could be socializing with terrorists from any background without knowing it wether your going to the gym or going to college or work you simply can't tell, i don't think these farmers that were killed really paid attention to these characters that were suposibly there

who really knows if they did or not? I feel bad for them but someone knew who these guys were and they allowed them in their country. They put their own people in danger

1 million died from the UN sanctions and from Jan 06 to Dec 06 alone 34/36 000 died from violence

what sanctions? please provide a source I am not sure what country or sanctions you are talking about

70 dead civilians to apprehend 2 guys(who were never catched) is a real thumbs up indeed

I am not sure if you are joking or what but I was being sarcastic as I hope you are

 

[MTAFFI]

you paint the picture of the US being anti-Dictatorships why aren't they freeing the Habashi people from oppression? why are they supporting warlords that are oppressing the Somali people? you might not like the governing style of the Taliban or Saddam but in reality there no different from Meles Zenawi and his onslaught on the Aunuks or Abdullahi Yusuf's warlord history.

I did some research on Meles Zenawi and I found that he isnt the man you make him out to be. From what I understand he saved the Ethiopians from the Derg ruler Colonel Lieutenant Mengistu Hailemariam, who was not only communist but committed genocide against his own people. Both the Arab world and the West helped Zenawi come to power, and while he may not be perfect because of the killing he allowed of the Aunuks, you must remember what shape the country was in before he came to power, he may just be trying to maintain peace.

here is a list of awards he has recieved since in office

Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, despite running a 3rd world country, has received various international awards for setting up a good foundation for the development of Ethiopia.

The World Peace Prize for PM Meles Zenawi's contributions for global peace and his effort to stabilize the Horn of Africa through cooperation with Inter-Governmental Authority for Development(IGAD).[44]

Tabor 100, an African American entrepreneur’s organization, honored PM. Meles Zenawi for his big contribution toward economic and social transformation in Africa with its prestigious Crystal Eagle International Leadership Award in April 2005.[45]

Tabor 100, a U.S.-based nongovernmental organization, calling Meles Zenawi “International leader of the year 2005”, also honored the efforts of the Ethiopian government in general for war on poverty and backwardness.[46]

PM Meles Zenawi was also awarded the “Good Governance Award of the Global coalition for Africa” in respect for leading Ethiopia in a democratic path during the challenging period of transition.[47]

PM Meles Zenawi received the 2005 Yara Prize for Green Revolution for initiating a good foundation for economic progress in Ethiopia, particularly on the agricultural sector for the poor country that has doubled its food production. During the award ceremony held in the Norwegian capital of Oslo on September 3, the director of the UN project for Africa said, "With our support, Ethiopia can lift itself from poverty and hunger. Under Prime Minister Meles the country has created the grass roots structure to enable this to happen.” This award was presented by Yara International, a major Norwegian fertilizer producer that was awarded important contracts in Ethiopia shortly thereafter. The award was considered tantamount to corruption in the Norwegian press, and produced widespread criticism and condemnations[48], including a refusal by Norwegian government officials to participate in the award ceremony[49]. Yara's CEO, Thorleif Enger, later admitted that the Yara prize "is no environment [...] nor human-rights prize, but an agriculture prize"[50].

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

I did some research on Meles Zenawi and I found that he isnt the man you make him out to be.

Mugabe won the international Civil Courage Prize what are you saying?? we should continue to praise his rule despite him displacing a million of his own citizens?

From what I understand he saved the Ethiopians from the Derg ruler Colonel Lieutenant Mengistu Hailemariam, who was not only communist but committed genocide against his own people. Both the Arab world and the West helped Zenawi come to power

looooool and which passport was he using to get support from the International community? who provided him with an office and all expense account? Mengistu was enemy nr 1 and hundreds of thousand of innocent habashi civilians took shelter in Somalia if it wasn't for the critical support we gave Ethiopia, Mengistu would continue with his red terror both the West(excluding the US), the African Union and the Arab League ignored the Eritrean people and Ethiopian peoples plight for a long long time

and while he may not be perfect because of the killing he allowed of the Aunuks, you must remember what shape the country was in before he came to power, he may just be trying to maintain peace.

Iraq was also in a better state under Saddam than it's today

Meles Zenawi started an unjustified war on Eritrea leaving 80 000 people death on both sides and now he's massacring his own citizens plus collaborating with our Warlord President he's a nutcase

 

[MTAFFI]

looooool and which passport was he using to get support from the International community? who provided him with an office and all expense account? Mengistu was enemy nr 1 and hundreds of thousand of innocent habashi civilians took shelter in Somalia if it wasn't for the critical support we gave Ethiopia, Mengistu would continue with his red terror both the West(excluding the US), the African Union and the Arab League ignored the Eritrean people and Ethiopian peoples plight for a long long time

I am not saying Somalia didnt help I am saying they are better off now than they were under Mengistu's rule. Do you not agree? It seems all of your replys are so negative why is that? The world is not perfect, bad things happen, but this guy is doing the best he can, just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean everyone else doesnt either. Try to look on the brighter side of things sometime, it might make you a happier person.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

I am not saying Somalia didnt help I am saying they are better off now than they were under Mengistu's rule. Do you not agree?

Mengistu was nicknamed the butcher of Addis Ababa today Meles zenawi has been dubbed as the ''Other butcher of Addis Ababa that says alot about his rule if you look at Mengistu's trackrecord

It seems all of your replys are so negative why is that?

the World affairs section is the synonym of negativity

didn't you know? it's makes people sad and ill because of the bad news

The world is not perfect, bad things happen, but this guy is doing the best he can, just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean everyone else doesnt either.

there will always be people that disagree on some sort of issue's out there but one should not depict one Dictator as the evil mad man because he was not so close to the west and depict another Dictator as a goodie goodie character because he was close to the west that's not fair and not right

Try to look on the brighter side of things sometime, it might make you a happier person.

I'm a happy person but i might be perceived as a negative one when i project my stand on the forum simply because the issue's we are discussing about are far away from the things that fall under the happiness and joy category