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[Chechnya]

No, I'm frustrated that you would post such arrogant lies.

Why do you defend the action of these pigs?

Why do you defend the terrorizing, beating, raping and killing of children

:rollseyes

Your attention span seems to be short but ill repeat myself for you this time

I dont defend Beslan, i was and still am sad for the loss of the children - i wished the whole episode had never happened.

Im also slightly frustrated that you would post such arrogant lies - hostages themselves said there was no rape or seperation of girls, they said there was no beating either and most of all - if you read the testimony of some of the hostages i mentioned earlier - they confirm that children were shot from the russian side and that many hostage-takers were trying to get them out.

The despicable attempt to fabricate gang-rapes and what not is rather sickening - its almost as if you WANTED this to have happened so you could repeat it - but unfortuntely for you many hostages have given their accounts.

Having said that alot of the blame still lies on Shamil Basayev for initiating the whole scenario and i was glad to see him accept responsibility and offer to go on trial or hand himself over to russia immediately on condition that it ends the war.

 

[SilentObserver]

I dont defend Beslan, i was and still am sad for the loss of the children - i wished the whole episode had never happened.

Let me ask you this. Do you think, under any circumstances, that it is acceptable to take children as hostages to help one's cause?

 

[Chechnya]

Let me ask you this. Do you think, under any circumstances, that it is acceptable to take children as hostages to help one's cause?

I thought i made that clear. No, i dont.

A question in return:

Do you think it is acceptable under any circumstances for children to be harmed in war, whether its from aerial bombarment of cities like Kabul or Baghdad or hostage-taking like in Beslan?

 

[SilentObserver]

I thought i made that clear. No, i dont.

A question in return:

Do you think it is acceptable under any circumstances for children to be harmed in war, whether its from aerial bombarment of cities like Kabul or Baghdad or hostage-taking like in Beslan?

Absolutely not. Under any circumstances.

 

[Chechnya]

Absolutely not. Under any circumstances.

So your against the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine where these things have happened or are happening?

We have more in common than i would have thought :thumbs_up

 

[SilentObserver]

So your against the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine where these things have happened or are happening?

We have more in common than i would have thought :thumbs_up

I'm against violence. Although I recognize that violent people must be dealt with accordingly. But even if a bloody war must be fought, every precaution must be taken to avoid killing civilians. Especially children.
And certainly not purposely targeting civilians, or taking them hostage to gamble with their lives.

 

[Chechen]

OK.

http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/040913/story.html
Hostage says it was one of the terrorist bombs going off(not purposely) that started the final showdown. Not the Russian forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis - terrorized the children,immediatly killed men, threatened to kill children, raped girls, etc.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/world/04/russian_s/html/1.stm - held more than a thousand hostage, and refused them food or water. Children forced to resort to drinking urine.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-1385297,00.html - terrorists brutalizing children during seige.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/20/48hours/main668127.shtml - among other things father shot in front of young sons.

My mother knows a woman who she went to school with when she was younger and basically this woman's daughter died in Beslan and her version of the story didn't contain ANY of that. On the contrary she said it was Putin's fault for the children's deaths. Also my dad was very good friends with Shamil Basayev and I knew him aswell and he would never order his men to slaughter children or have them go through hunger and thirst like that.

 

[SATalha]

Shamil Basayev is the man I respect the most of present times. My father knew him personally. They were very good friends. Shamil and Khattab as well as many others used to come to our house often in Grozny after the first war. For about a month I refused to believe he was dead. And my father didn't eat or sleep for a few days. But luckily he calmed down after a while.

Did you meet Imam Shamil and Khatab? I heard many stories about Khathab's military prowress.

 

[Chechen]

Did you meet Imam Shamil and Khatab? I heard many stories about Khathab's military prowress.

Yes I had met them, I was pretty small at the time but I can remember them all having dinner together. I can't remember talking to Khattab but I remember talking to Shamil and I would always feel happy and safe when he was there.

 

[SilentObserver]

My mother knows a woman who she went to school with when she was younger and basically this woman's daughter died in Beslan and her version of the story didn't contain ANY of that. On the contrary she said it was Putin's fault for the children's deaths. Also my dad was very good friends with Shamil Basayev and I knew him aswell and he would never order his men to slaughter children or have them go through hunger and thirst like that.

If you get a chance, try to find the documentary "Children of Beslan". Don't rely on your mother who knows a woman, or your dad who knows a terrorist. Hear it first hand from the children that lived it. Interview after heartwrenching interview. Don't go by what I tell you. Go by what the children tell you.
The irony for the terrorists at Beslan is that they did not help their cause. They made it worse. They have planted the seeds of revenge in a new generation.
In the film, a little boy named Alex points out the classroom where his father was thrown out a window to his death. "My greatest desire is to go to Chechnya and kill all those terrorists. To avenge my dad."

I said it before, there is no defending those pig terrorists. Shamil Basayev does not deserve to share a pen with pigs.
All this trash talk about how they were so good. The first thing they did was kill kids fathers right in front of them. Pigs.

Watch the film. See what your heroes have done.

 

[SilentObserver]

Shamil Basayev is the man I respect the most of present times. My father knew him personally. They were very good friends. Shamil and Khattab as well as many others used to come to our house often in Grozny after the first war. For about a month I refused to believe he was dead. And my father didn't eat or sleep for a few days. But luckily he calmed down after a while.

You respect a pig. A pig not worthy of contempt. That piece of garbage is dead, and the only thing bad about that is he didn't die in a proper execution with a rope.
What kind of hero chooses to terrorize a school full of children to make a point? He is scum from behind the toilet at a trucker's reststop.

 

[Chechen]

If you get a chance, try to find the documentary "Children of Beslan". Don't rely on your mother who knows a woman, or your dad who knows a terrorist. Hear it first hand from the children that lived it. Interview after heartwrenching interview. Don't go by what I tell you. Go by what the children tell you.
The irony for the terrorists at Beslan is that they did not help their cause. They made it worse. They have planted the seeds of revenge in a new generation.
In the film, a little boy named Alex points out the classroom where his father was thrown out a window to his death. "My greatest desire is to go to Chechnya and kill all those terrorists. To avenge my dad."

I said it before, there is no defending those pig terrorists. Shamil Basayev does not deserve to share a pen with pigs.
All this trash talk about how they were so good. The first thing they did was kill kids fathers right in front of them. Pigs.

Watch the film. See what your heroes have done.

Yeah except for my mother doesn't just know any woman she knows a woman who was there when all of this happened. And no sorry but my father doesn't know any terrorists. And that thing about the little boy who has a dream about killing all the Chechen "terrorists", well that's basically every Russian boy's dream. And he shouldn't worry about that, cause once he's 18 he'll be sent there anyway whether he wants to or not.

 

[Chechen]

You respect a pig. A pig not worthy of contempt. That piece of garbage is dead, and the only thing bad about that is he didn't die in a proper execution with a rope.
What kind of hero chooses to terrorize a school full of children to make a point? He is scum from behind the toilet at a trucker's reststop.

I'm sorry but I don't think you're the one who's gonna convince me cause you've never been to Chechnya or seen Shamil Basayev in real life whereas I come from Chechnya, have lived in Chechnya, and my father was very good friends with him so, I JUST THINK I might know him better than you. But who knows maybe you know him better than me. Apparently that's what you're trying to tell me, if I understood well.

 

[Keltoi]

I'm sorry but I don't think you're the one who's gonna convince me cause you've never been to Chechnya or seen Shamil Basayev in real life whereas I come from Chechnya, have lived in Chechnya, and my father was very good friends with him so, I JUST THINK I might know him better than you. But who knows maybe you know him better than me. Apparently that's what you're trying to tell me, if I understood well.

Actions speak louder than words, and what happened in Belsan speaks louder than "my father was very good friends with him." Doesn't matter how well "you know him", those poor children at the Beslan school know the kind of man he is very well now.

 

[Chechen]

Actions speak louder than words, and what happened in Belsan speaks louder than "my father was very good friends with him." Doesn't matter how well "you know him", those poor children at the Beslan school know the kind of man he is very well now.

Well I don't know what the hell the children think about him but the Beslan mothers aren't blaming Basayev for the deaths of their children, they accuse Putin for not wanting to stop all of this just by stopping the war not only that he gave the order to kill those children and everyone in there. That woman I talked about earlier she is part of the "Mothers of Beslan" organization and she herself lost her daughter in the attack. My mother talked to her after the attack and that woman said that her and the rest of the women in that organization don't blame the Chechens but Putin. She also said that the Russian news keeps changing their words and haves people believe that they blame Basayev. So basically I don't know what the children think but the mothers say that the one who should be blamed and punished is Putin.

 

[SATalha]

Ok what happened in Beslan is inexcusable and most of the elders in Chechnya disagreeded with it. If you ask the brothers here they will condem it as well. However why is it that Shamil is made to look like a monster and Putin is not:raging: This makes me angry and shows the double standards some people have. At least Shamil offered to go to trial. Will we ever see that dog Putin admitting to mistakes and saying "put me on trial". No i dont think so.

So next time you want to talk about Shamil and call him a terrorist think twice, there are others who personify the word terrorist. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!!!

 

[Keltoi]

Ok what happened in Beslan is inexcusable and most of the elders in Chechnya disagreeded with it. If you ask the brothers here they will condem it as well. However why is it that Shamil is made to look like a monster and Putin is not:raging: This makes me angry and shows the double standards some people have. At least Shamil offered to go to trial. Will we ever see that dog Putin admitting to mistakes and saying "put me on trial". No i dont think so.

So next time you want to talk about Shamil and call him a terrorist think twice, there are others who personify the word terrorist. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!!!

When you are responsible for the murder of over 200 children it doesn't matter what you think he is. If a person is responsible for over 200 deaths and supposedly offers to stand trial, does that somehow make him a better person? Glorify this man as you will, God will be the judge. Perhaps we can agree on that at the very least.

 

[Chechen]

When you are responsible for the murder of over 200 children it doesn't matter what you think he is. If a person is responsible for over 200 deaths and supposedly offers to stand trial, does that somehow make him a better person? Glorify this man as you will, God will be the judge. Perhaps we can agree on that at the very least.

Well what SATalha is trying to say is that yes Shamil somehow in a way is a bit responsible but at least he offered to go on ANY international trial unlike Putin who is responsible for the death of 50 000 children not only doesn't offer that sort of stuff he also says that those children never died and he never did anything.

 

[SilentObserver]

I'm sorry but I don't think you're the one who's gonna convince me cause you've never been to Chechnya or seen Shamil Basayev in real life whereas I come from Chechnya, have lived in Chechnya, and my father was very good friends with him so, I JUST THINK I might know him better than you. But who knows maybe you know him better than me. Apparently that's what you're trying to tell me, if I understood well.

Seeing and knowing that piece of crap is nothing to be proud of. You should conceal that information and never tell another living soul. I have no desire to know or see a person like that. I would spit in his face.

You have got to have something seriously going wrong upstairs to think that the families of those children don't hate Basayev(the pig) with every ounce of their being. You have been listening to too many lies from your parents.

The man(pig) organised the terrorizing of young children. Do you really think the families are going to forget that? Not a chance in hell. That is an insult to the intelligence of those people, and to the intelligence of the people on this forum that you are trying to convince of this preposterous lie. Unless of course you actually believe it yourself:rollseyes .

 

[Isaac]

Chechen, dont pay attention to these second hand observers. I would rather take not from someone who has first hand experiance rather than someone who relies on dumb founded news reports. What i dont understand about Beslan, is that the Russian Military had its surrounded, yet a number of them escaped. How bizzare!!

Yes and these are people who have never been to chechnya, yet they can some how tell you who was in the wrong. Putin orderd a strike on the school, as well as the theater, seige. If you ask me a very bad military decsion to make, especially when you have young children at risk.