U.S. Launches Attack on Suspected Al Qaeda Members in Somalia

[MTAFFI]

Mengistu was nicknamed the butcher of Addis Ababa today Meles zenawi has been dubbed as the ''Other butcher of Addis Ababa that says alot about his rule if you look at Mengistu's trackrecord

this is interesting, although I am not sure of the credibility of the author

the World affairs section is the synonym of negativity

didn't you know? it's makes people sad and ill because of the bad news

I guess it is how you look at things

there will always be people that disagree on some sort of issue's out there but one should not depict one Dictator as the evil mad man because he was not so close to the west and depict another Dictator as a goodie goodie character because he was close to the west that's not fair and not right

i am not trying to depict him as anything, i prefaced my post with "I have been doing research" and i will continue to do so, so that i may get my facts straight. If he is then he is and i will not argue it if he is, but I will research and find the truth no matter if it makes the west look bad or not, i always look for two sides to a story and then go with whatever seems to be the truth to me. I can see though by reading your post that you are kind of one sided, you obviously dislike the west and no matter what i would be willing to bet you would find something wrong with even the good things that come from the west.

I'm a happy person but i might be perceived as a negative one when i project my stand on the forum simply because the issue's we are discussing about are far away from the things that fall under the happiness and joy category

true

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

this is interesting, although I am not sure of the credibility of the author

Channel4: The hideous personality behind the name "Meles Zenawi"

i am not trying to depict him as anything, i prefaced my post with "I have been doing research" and i will continue to do so, so that i may get my facts straight. If he is then he is and i will not argue it if he is, but I will research and find the truth no matter if it makes the west look bad or not, i always look for two sides to a story and then go with whatever seems to be the truth to me.

that's good!

I can see though by reading your post that you are kind of one sided, you obviously dislike the west

really?

and no matter what i would be willing to bet you would find something wrong with even the good things that come from the west.

I don't dislike the ordinary citizen living in the West i hate the current Bush&Blair administrations and i have the right to do so!

 

[Akil]

I am not gonna get to involved n this because there is a lot of heavy words being thrown around but the conflict as a whole I think America should stay away from.

If they had the exact location of suspected terrorists they should have sent in direct action Special Forces to take them out on the ground. I don’t like the use of gunships, they are too inaccurate and allow for to much “collateral damage”

Also believing in al jezeera, is almost as stupid as be believing in fox news.

Lastly remember that the actions of the US government don’t necessarily reflect on the citizens of America or even the soldiers who carry them out. We’re just another brick in the wall.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^true.

 

[Snowflake]

=MTAFFI;627645]sure whatever you say! I dont understand anything and you understand everything. If only I could be as educated as yourself to understand why anyone would think it is ok to commit these atrocities! To be honest I would rather not understand their logic being as flawed and corrupted as it is.

:rollseyes to understand why someone does something doesn't mean that one necessarily agrees with it. Psychologists can understand why people commit heinous crimes but does that mean they condone it? No, it just means that they know the workings of these people's minds. And that's what I am saying when I say I understand their reason. Which is irrational to us, but to them its justification stems from desperation. There is a lot of difference between understanding someone's actions and actually agreeing with them. I think we are looking at the word 'understand in different context.

ps read your post a #132, you are actually the one who brought up Islam being anti peace, I just forgot to point this out earlier. I simply gave you a reason some may view it that way.

Yes, I did bring up the word 'anti-peace' first. But that was because you said this....

wow.. that sounds like the peace Islam talks about so often ;D

Now to me that sounds like sarcasm insinuating that Islam is anti-peace. Note you mentioned Islam and not 'some people' as you now are saying. But if that isn't what you meant then I accept your clarification.

Also let me point out in that post, you admitted that the suicide bombers kill innocent people. These are the people that you can understand? and not directly stick up for but make excuses for their behavior? You may not come out and say that you agree with their behavior but you sure do project it that way

Of course I admit suicide bombers kill innocent people. It's a fact. The fact that I use the word 'innocent' implies that these people are wrongly killed. Why would I call them innocent if I thought they deserved to be killed? :?
If I strongly believed in something I wouldn't mince my words but come right out with it. I've already explained in which context I used the word 'understand'.

peace.

 

[Skillganon]

I am not gonna get to involved n this because there is a lot of heavy words being thrown around but the conflict as a whole I think America should stay away from.

I think it is to late, the current American goverment.

If they had the exact location of suspected terrorists they should have sent in direct action Special Forces to take them out on the ground. I don’t like the use of gunships, they are too inaccurate and allow for to much “collateral damage”

Well I don't have the location of "suspected" terrorist but the location of confirmed terrorist and that is in washington DC, you can guess the members.

Lastly remember that the actions of the US government don’t necessarily reflect on the citizens of America or even the soldiers who carry them out. We’re just another brick in the wall.

Duely noted and I think members of this forum to take note of that, but also one should take note that when america props up in discussions it is because of the goverment and not neccessarily the american people in general.

 

[muslima06]

asalamu aleykum brothers and sister in islam,
there is too many sad things going on over the muslim world so may allah have mecry on us. if we really are good muslims our countries wouldn't have been destroyed. when a community has taqwa, allah bestows his favors upon them and when they go astray allah punishes them. so lets evaluate ourselves where we stand, the change can only came within us.may Allah forgive us all and may peace prevail on earth.
''verily with every dificutly, there is a releive''(quran)
wasalmu aleykum,
ur sis in islam,

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^ i agree with u sis.

 

[MTAFFI]

Channel4: The hideous personality behind the name "Meles Zenawi"

sad

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really?

not necessarily hate, and not necessarily the all the people but definitely the government. The US does do good things throughout the world, however I can understand your dislike of the administration considering the region you live in.

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I don't dislike the ordinary citizen living in the West i hate the current Bush&Blair administrations and i have the right to do so!

you sure do!

 

[MTAFFI]

:rollseyes to understand why someone does something doesn't mean that one necessarily agrees with it. Psychologists can understand why people commit heinous crimes but does that mean they condone it? No, it just means that they know the workings of these people's minds. And that's what I am saying when I say I understand their reason. Which is irrational to us, but to them its justification stems from desperation. There is a lot of difference between understanding someone's actions and actually agreeing with them. I think we are looking at the word 'understand in different context.

are you a psychologist? They go to school for 6 to 8 years to do what they do, or to understand people and their actions, it would be awfully pompous of you to assume you could do the same without that degree

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Yes, I did bring up the word 'anti-peace' first. But that was because you said this....

Now to me that sounds like sarcasm insinuating that Islam is anti-peace. Note you mentioned Islam and not 'some people' as you now are saying. But if that isn't what you meant then I accept your clarification.

I was referring to your comment about death to Bush. My comment was filled with sarcasm, however it was sarcasm towards you being a Muslim, or a person of Islam, and at the same time chanting death to another person. Not all Muslims do that, just some and usually the ones who can understand why suicide bombers do what they do.

Sis I also want you to know that it is not my intention to frustrate, prove you wrong, argue or do anything negative to you, it is just that I have seen a lot of people die from these bombs some of which were friends, who had nothing to do with the things that are going on today, so I get very touchy about it. I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else reading these posts.

 

[Akil]

just some and usually the ones who can understand why suicide bombers do what they do

Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death

 

[MTAFFI]

Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death ----> Loss ----> Anger ----> Hate ----> Violence ----> Death

what a sick cycle

what if the world worked like this

Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love


To bad huh?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

oh come on, what next? suspects in iran/saudi what other muslim countries are lefT?

i really have high hopes for somalia...

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

what a sick cycle

what if the world worked like this

Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love


To bad huh?

lol thats nice , but punishment should be served for justice so we cant just forget everything, although it would have been nice to

 

[Akil]

At some point we might have to accept that justice in unattainable. Maybe it doesn’t really exist. Maybe at some point we should decide to leave punishment to God and seek peace in this world.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

At some point we might have to accept that justice in unattainable. Maybe it doesn’t really exist. Maybe at some point we should decide to leave punishment to God and seek peace in this world.

thats what ghandi tried and he got shot :uuh:

 

[MTAFFI]

thats what ghandi tried and he got shot :uuh:

so what would be justice to you?

 

[Snowflake]

=MTAFFI;628574]are you a psychologist? They go to school for 6 to 8 years to do what they do, or to understand people and their actions, it would be awfully pompous of you to assume you could do the same without that degree

I don't think it's being pompous to state that one has an understanding of someone's emotional state. Have you never been in the position where you've understood why someone acted how they did, even though you disagreed with it? Psychologists only study people's minds in depth, that does not mean that the rest of us are unable to comprehend the emotional state of others.

I was referring to your comment about death to Bush. My comment was filled with sarcasm, however it was sarcasm towards you being a Muslim, or a person of Islam, and at the same time chanting death to another person. Not all Muslims do that, just some and usually the ones who can understand why suicide bombers do what they do.

Actually, wanting Bush dead has got nothing to do with understanding suicide bombers. A lot of muslims disagree with terrorism aimed at innocent people but still want Bush to be wiped off the face of the earth - unless he stops killing muslims that is. And I openly admit that I want Bush to stop or die. If I didn't, I'd be in the same class as those who supported Hitler's atrocities against the Jews. And what kind of person would I be if I remained unaffected by the death's of innocent muslims???

Sis I also want you to know that it is not my intention to frustrate, prove you wrong, argue or do anything negative to you, it is just that I have seen a lot of people die from these bombs some of which were friends, who had nothing to do with the things that are going on today, so I get very touchy about it. I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else reading these posts.

I am sorry to hear of the loss of your friends and I was also truly saddened by the deaths of those who had nothing to do with harming muslims. Why would I wish harm to them and the like? Never! If you have muslim friends, I too have non muslims ones-who are very dear to me.

But Bush is not a friend, nor innocent. He is 'The Enemy' for whom my heart holds no compassion for as long as he continues to be behind the loss of muslim life. If Bush was to attack Britain, I'd still chant death to him, not as a muslim but as a briton in support of my country.

As far as I know suicide bombing doesn't conform to the islamic strategy of Jihad. Therefore, I don't condone it. Even if it were valid, I wouldn't think of it as impressive retaliation. What is the point of killing one-self, when you can live to kill thousands more!? No, instead I wish they'd train as snipers and eliminate the enemy by vindictive retribution. :thumbs_up

I would also like to offer my apologies, If anything I said offended you.

peace

 

[muslima06]

what a sick cycle

what if the world worked like this

Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love --->Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love ---> Forgive ---> Forget ---> Tolerence ---> Embrace ---> Love


To bad huh?

it would have been nice.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

so what would be justice to you?

i know you expect this but to follow the quran in its entirety would be justice, but pure justice isnt always found here, then we wait for the judgement of our lord with patience