Beslan - Why did it Happen?

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Nice try. But any person with intelligence can see the difference in situations.

Translation : when stating on this thread that i was a neutral person when it came to discussing atrocities committed on kids i totally forgot about this old reply i made wich showed my true colors

the lack of interest from your side regarding that incident speaks for itself!

The purpose of the schoolgirl thread was not anyone defending child murderers, it was the tired old routine of anti-sematic,

members that highlight what's happening to their people are anti-semetic?

do you understand a words meaning before you utter it? do you even know the difference between a semite and non semite? arabs speak a semitic language they are semites, so how can LI members who put out news reports that state facts where innocent Falistinians are killed by IDF be acussed of being anti-semetic when the victims there reporting about are semites themselves ?

it's bassicly an oxymoron :)

again you exposed your inability to defend your ''cold'' reply from an earlier topic where mysteriously this heated passion for children was nowhere to be seen :exhausted and now your blaming it on your prejudged inaccurate claim of everything posted by members who are concerned with their fellow muslim brothers and sisters as a silly anti-semitic routine and therefore we should all take your example and reply in that manner right? :X

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Read the old thread again fruitcake. Why would I feel sorry for the girl? She's moved on, while we are all stuck here. I don't feel sorry for her, I envy her.

I don't need to defend what I said, there was nothing wrong with it. And if asked again, I would reply the same.

Your foolish attempt to portray me as someone that condones the killing of children, can easily be shown to be a fool's mumbling by a simple search of my past posts.

I am against violence toward any children, anywhere. Always have been. Always will be. Children are innocent. "freedom fighters" (a.k.a. cowardly losers) that take them hostage, should be fed to their brethern, the pigs.
 
Translation : when stating on this thread that i was a neutral person when it came to discussing atrocities committed on kids i totally forgot about this old reply i made wich showed my true colors

That's quite stupid, really. I don't need to bother remembering my old posts, because my opinion will not have changed on such an obvious topic. And you are right, it did show my true colors, and they are still the same; Victimizing children is wrong, and those that do are worthless pigs.

If you lack the capacity to understand the meaning of my post in another thread, I can't help you. If you didn't get it then, it is unlikely you will get it now.
 
Read the old thread again fruitcake.

cakes aside

Originally Posted by Chechnya
Just proved my point - you are only willing to talk about non-muslim children and not the crimes which are carried out by western nations.

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Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there.

with this reply you ''dare'' chechnya to highlight the atrocities committed on children from different regions by starting a different topic and you would show the same passionate love you have for other kids from different backgrounds than the ones from Beslan your currently are showing it to but i bassicly showed you that isn't necessary because..

A your reply on a old topic was evidence enough of wich children you value most and wich you simply value less!

B you then shot yourself in the foot when you exposed your reason behind the old palistinian topic ''post'' by coming with the acussation of LI members having a anti-semitic routine and therefore we should all look at wether these incidents were current if not reply and inquire why they are posted in the first place and simply not care about the highlighted atrocity

Why would I feel sorry for the girl?

you don't feel sorry for people who go through injustice?

what sparked your animal calling if that's not it?

She's moved on

but the injustice continues

Your foolish attempt to portray me as someone that condones the killing of children, can easily be shown to be a fool's mumbling by a simple search of my past posts.

lol that's interesting considering the fact i never tried to portray you as someone that ''condones'' violence on children the misinterpreting of my post by you is not my fault i simply highlighted the lack of interest from your side simple as that:)

I am against violence toward any children, anywhere. Always have been. Always will be. Children are innocent.

that's good:)

"freedom fighters" (a.k.a. cowardly losers) that take them hostage, should be fed to their brethern, the pigs.

Russians aren't freedom fighters so you need to expand that category!
 
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Clearly you either choose to misrepresent my words, or you lack the capacity to see otherwise.
It would seem that if you simply choose to misrepresent my words, then you are only interested in one thing. Winning an arguement. There is no benefit to either of us in this. Winning an arguement based on untruths is a shallow victory. It does not mean you have proven anything, only that you won a contest.
Interestingly enough, you made a post very much like the one of mine that you are obsessed with.

baby is going to Jannah insha-allah

sometimes i really dislike this world to the point where i really hope and wish for Jugdement day to arrive and it's game over for everybody

i feel sad for the mother something bad must have presured her

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It's no different then your post here, in a thread about a baby thrown into the toilet by it's mother. You didn't say you felt sorry for the baby, you said it's gone to Jannah. In fact you also said you felt sorry for the mother. Both opinions, just like mine. I also eluded to something you said here without saying it;
sometimes i really dislike this world to the point where i really hope and wish for Jugdement day to arrive and it's game over for everybody
when I said;
The girl is in a better place than us now.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you are trying to expose a fault in my thinking where there is none. In fact, you and I responded almost identically, in both our posts. Perhaps there is something about your own thinking that you dislike?
A your reply on a old topic was evidence enough of wich children you value most and wich you simply value less!

B you then shot yourself in the foot when you exposed your reason behind the old palistinian topic ''post'' by coming with the acussation of LI members having a anti-semitic routine and therefore we should all look at wether these incidents were current if not reply and inquire why they are posted in the first place and simply not care about the highlighted atrocity
Again, read carefully here. The purpose of this thread was to defend child murderers. That is repulsive, of course I would speak up. The purpose of the other thread was only to spread more anger and hate towards people from Israel. I oppose such hatemongering, and made my statement accordingly.

you don't feel sorry for people who go through injustice?
While they are alive, yes, very much so. After they are dead, no. I then shift my sympathies to the family they leave behind. The dead (if they are children) have moved on to a better place.
i simply highlighted the lack of interest from your side simple as that
You seem to have misinterpreted my anger toward hatemongering, as a lack of interest for the killing of innocent people. I tackled the more important issue that was at hand, the member that started that thread(who is now banned), was only hate mongering. Consistent with his behaviour up to that point.

We can easily turn this upside down if you like. You accuse me of being indifferent toward palestinian children being killed(which I assure you I am not, I want to explode whenever I see images of any children harmed in war:grumbling ).
I think that you are indifferent to the killing of nonmuslim children. You are so quick to defend the muslims of the world, that you couldn't care less about the children that they harm. 'Just a bunch of kafir children anyway. At least they were not muslim children.' You were so quick to prove me wrong. Not a word about the children that were killed. All you care about is proving the kafir wrong. Shows your true colors.
You oppose me so passionately, if only you had one ounce of compassion left to spare for the children that suffered. But not a word about them. You showed where your priorities are, just prove the kafir wrong.
 
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litvinenko has been proven to have been somewhat of a nutcase. He made many outrageous claims including that he had video of Putin engaged in homosexual sex.

second try
can you or anyone else direct me to a link that says that litvinenko has been proven to have been a nutcase???
 
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can you or anyone else direct me to a link that says that litvinenko has been proven to have been a nutcase???

Hi Snakelegs,
Proof that he is a nutcase would be as hard to provide as proof that he is not.
But I assure you, if you do a Google search with "litvinenko nutcase", you will have plenty of reading material. Accusations of among other things, links to Al Qaida. Who knows what is true, and what isn't. But with so much to ponder, it makes it difficult to believe anything said by him, or about him.

Just a few links;
http://www.matthewyglesias.com/archives/2006/11/from_russia_with_great_power_c/
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/a...n-the-mysterious-death-of-a-one-time-kgb-spy/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1748022/posts
http://middleeastnews.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-12_cy-2006_m-12_d-03_y-2006_o-0.html
 
Clearly you either choose to misrepresent my words, or you lack the capacity to see otherwise.
It would seem that if you simply choose to misrepresent my words, then you are only interested in one thing. Winning an arguement. There is no benefit to either of us in this. Winning an arguement based on untruths is a shallow victory. It does not mean you have proven anything, only that you won a contest.

Friend your taking this Cyberworld way to serious winning or losing means nothing to me if i have offended you with my posts i apologize

my quote
baby is going to Jannah insha-allah

sometimes i really dislike this world to the point where i really hope and wish for Jugdement day to arrive and it's game over for everybody

i feel sad for the mother something bad must have presured her

your post
It's no different then your post here, in a thread about a baby thrown into the toilet by it's mother. You didn't say you felt sorry for the baby,

there is a difference between your first reaction to a horrible incident and mine

baby is going to Jannah insha-allah

i was wishing and hoping that this baby received what every muslim on this planet hopes to enter one day

you said it's gone to Jannah.

''Insha-allah'' that's the keyword here

In fact you also said you felt sorry for the mother.

I still do!

Both opinions, just like mine. I also eluded to something you said here without saying it;

there were no red herrings in my first reply in that baby topic you on the other hand changed the attention from the horrible event to the ''date'' of the incident

I oppose such hatemongering, and made my statement accordingly.

If a Japanese kid childishly named President Truman by an animal name everytime he tried to put his point across regarding the bombings of his people would he be seen as an unstable ad hominem fuelled hatemongerer or a rational debater?

You seem to have misinterpreted my anger toward hatemongering, as a lack of interest for the killing of innocent people.

no not really i remember you as a newbie making a thread with a gross generalization of Middle Easterners by calling them violent

remember?
Why are people from the middle east so violent? It never ends. Car bombs. Suicide bombers. Gunmen. School attacks. When they are not trying to kill someone else, they are trying to kill each other. Palestinians on verge of civil war. Kill your political opponents children. Beheadings. Masked faces waving guns in the air. Teach children to hate. Fight, kill, violent protest. Shoot teachers in front of students. Shoot women and children in car. Qassam rockets. And on, and on, and on......kill, kill, kill, kill.
Why?
Life means nothing to them it seems. Life seems to have little or no value. Why?

so when i encountered the Palistinian topic i sensed something sinister from you but you can't blame me after reading your ''mid easterners prone to violence?'' topic now can you?

I tackled the more important issue that was at hand, the member that started that thread(who is now banned), was only hate mongering. Consistent with his behaviour up to that point.

of the 5 topics this brother made only 2 were dedicated to Palistine/Israel

and i'm not so sure wether he was banned since i have seen this happen to many members that switched their names

We can easily turn this upside down if you like.

ok:)

You accuse me of being indifferent toward palestinian children being killed(which I assure you I am not, I want to explode whenever I see images of any children harmed in war :grumbling ).

nice :)

I think that you are indifferent to the killing of nonmuslim children. You are so quick to defend the muslims of the world, that you couldn't care less about the children that they harm.

a member posted this disturbing post days ago

If a Republican would have been in office it would have led to the destruction of Somalia, so in that respect, even though I wanted revenge, it was better to leave and not destroy Somalia.

my reply

hundreds of civilians of my country were killed in one day for demonstrating and still i don't wish any harm to American civilians or want revenge

:D good day
 
Children killing In any case is sad, but why is it that what the Russians did does not get any attention or the Serbians or the Isrealis.... Although i disagree with what happened in Beslan, I am in full support of our people in Chechnya.
 
You know what? I just read through the posts in this thread and noticed that no matter what we say we won't convince Silent and no matter what he says he won't convince us. So basically we're just losing our time here. Beslan happened and we can't change that so we should just get over it.
 
I wonder if the families that lost thier children, fathers, mothers, brothers, and sisters at Beslan can just 'get over it'? The child that relives watching a terrorist kill his father in front of him, each night in his dreams. And goes each day missing his father terribly. Or the mother whose child died in her arms. I wonder if they can just, 'get over it'?
 
I wonder if the families that lost thier children, fathers, mothers, brothers, and sisters at Beslan can just 'get over it'? The child that relives watching a terrorist kill his father in front of him, each night in his dreams. And goes each day missing his father terribly. Or the mother whose child died in her arms. I wonder if they can just, 'get over it'?


Listen it happened and none of us is able to change that. Is us sitting here and arguing going to change anything? I have lost family and very close friends in war too. Of course I still remember them every day but I try to tell myself that it was Allah's will. It's the past and we can't change it. Unless you have some time machine to go into the past, then tell us.
 
Listen it happened and none of us is able to change that. Is us sitting here and arguing going to change anything? I have lost family and very close friends in war too. Of course I still remember them every day but I try to tell myself that it was Allah's will. It's the past and we can't change it. Unless you have some time machine to go into the past, then tell us.

The purpose of remembering the past is to learn from it, that is why history is taught in schools.
So when we remember Beslan, one thing to learn is that people like Shamil Basayev are ruthless, rabid dogs. We should recognize them, and never give them the chance to even get started, or we will pay with our families lives. Stop them in their tracks before they even know what happened.

So, get over it? Whatever. I choose to learn.
 
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Islam is indeed against killing innocent people, like women, children, elderly etc. I agree, but the media is usually not telling us the whole story.

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The purpose of remembering the past is to learn from it, that is why history is taught in schools.
So when we remember Beslan, one thing to learn is that people like Shamil Basayev are ruthless, rabid dogs. We should recognize them, and never give them the chance to even get started, or we will pay with our families lives. Stop them in their tracks before they even know what happened.

So, get over it? Whatever. I choose to learn.


Yeah I agree with you we have to learn from the past but not argue over who's right and who's wrong cause we could go on forever.
 
Yeah I agree with you we have to learn from the past but not argue over who's right and who's wrong cause we could go on forever.

No need to argue. It is obvious that it is always wrong under any circumstances to terrorize and murder children. You can pretend all you want, but you know that what Basayev has done was wrong and evil.
 
No need to argue. It is obvious that it is always wrong under any circumstances to terrorize and murder children. You can pretend all you want, but you know that what Basayev has done was wrong and evil.

Umm no I'm not pretending and there's no need to pretend. Shamil is a hero. Putin is a pig. END.
 
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Oooookay, I think this thread could do with a little time out so I'm going to lock it for now.

feel free to PM me if you have a problem with me doing so.
 
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