Shiek Faiz To Be Charged With Hate Crime!

[Abu Zakariya]

Well let me ask you this what would you say if the pope or a bishop came out and said that "(Muslim) is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." and at the same time published a series of DVDs entitled the "Death Series" and preached of martyrdom and a catholic version of Jihad against those who do not share our faith? [removed]:enough!:

Kafir doesn't mean Catholic, so you can't compare the two.

By the way, this was completely taken out of context. It just shows you how sickening the media is, and not Shaykh Feiz (hafidhahullah). Because when he said this thing about the word kafir, he wasn't refering to Christians, or the Jews, or Hindus or whatever. He was refering to a specific person: the anti-Christ. The anti-Christ will have the letters ka-fa-ra on his forehead. And he showed his disgust with the anti-Christ by speaking this way about him. He wasn't refering to Catholics. Thus, your example of the bishop using the same rhetoric about Muslims is crazy. You should've asked us how we would react if a bishop used the same words in reference to the anti-Christ.

As for the second part of your question. Well, if the Catholics preached that they have the right to defend themselves and fight their enemies, then I would have no problem with it. Frankly, I fail to see why you have a problem with us saying that? Is it because you feel that a Muslim state shouldn't have a right to defend itself and fight nations that are hostile towards it (this is what Jihad is)?

and by the way FBI, I cant wait to hear what your remarks in particular will be on this, because in my opinion it is those that share your beliefs that fuel the war that is going on the middle east. If it werent people like this there would be no reason to war against these people. IT IS THESE PEOPLE THAT WANT EVERYONE TO BE ISLAM OR NON EXISTENT. You think it is the West that pushes itself on everyone but it is these extremist that preach to children of death and martyrdom that push the Islamic faith on everyone. He and all those that stand with him will surely one day recieve the wrath of God, Allah or whomever you worship one day. Where is the peace that Islam tells these people to practice, because I fail to see it

He never said that! Shaykh Feiz never said the things you are mentioning here. He isn't saying that either you accept Islam or you die. But the fact that you thought that he did by reading the article, just shows you how irresponsible the media is! Muslims are getting attacked because of articles like this, because people like yourself read these things and imagine what he is saying is that everyone should convert or lose their head. But this isn't true. He is talking about jihad, which isn't about killing the non-Muslims if they don't convert. However, people read these articles and get the idea that it's what it means, and so they think that Muslims want to take over the world, and what happens? Muslims get attacked.

As for what he did say. If it is criminal to say these things, then you will have to ban this verse of the Qur'an from being recited:

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, my Salât (prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allâh, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists). (Al-An'am 6:162)

This is a Muslim belief. Our life and death is for our Lord. Let me explain to you what Shaykh Feiz meant, by using an example. There was a Jihad in my country a few years ago. Muslims were being slaughtered and there was a genocide of the Muslims. Do you mean to tell me that my people should've done nothing? No. We as Muslims believe in Jihad. So we fight. We fight for the sake of Allah to make His Word supreme. And in war you might die. But we would love to die for the sake of Allah. We don't just accept that Muslims were being put in concentration camps, tortured and killed. We fight back.

How come it isn't wrong to say that it's honourable to die while fighting for freedom and democracy, but when someone promotes the idea of fighting for the sake of God, then it's all controversial.

Well, our life and our death is for Allah. Deal with it.

 

[Khattab]

Kafir doesn't mean Catholic, so you can't compare the two.

By the way, this was completely taken out of context. It just shows you how sickening the media is, and not Shaykh Feiz (hafidhahullah). Because when he said this thing about the word kafir, he wasn't refering to Christians, or the Jews, or Hindus or whatever. He was refering to a specific person: the anti-Christ. The anti-Christ will have the letters ka-fa-ra on his forehead. And he showed his disgust with the anti-Christ by speaking this way about him. He wasn't refering to Catholics. Thus, your example of the bishop using the same rhetoric about Muslims is crazy. You should've asked us how we would react if a bishop used the same words in reference to the anti-Christ.

As for the second part of your question. Well, if the Catholics preached that they have the right to defend themselves and fight their enemies, then I would have no problem with it. Frankly, I fail to see why you have a problem with us saying that? Is it because you feel that a Muslim state shouldn't have a right to defend itself and fight nations that are hostile towards it (this is what Jihad is)?



He never said that! Shaykh Feiz never said the things you are mentioning here. He isn't saying that either you accept Islam or you die. But the fact that you thought that he did by reading the article, just shows you how irresponsible the media is! Muslims are getting attacked because of articles like this, because people like yourself read these things and imagine what he is saying is that everyone should convert or lose their head. But this isn't true. He is talking about jihad, which isn't about killing the non-Muslims if they don't convert. However, people read these articles and get the idea that it's what it means, and so they think that Muslims want to take over the world, and what happens? Muslims get attacked.

As for what he did say. If it is criminal to say these things, then you will have to ban this verse of the Qur'an from being recited:

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, my Salât (prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allâh, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists). (Al-An'am 6:162)

This is a Muslim belief. Our life and death is for our Lord. Let me explain to you what Shaykh Feiz meant, by using an example. There was a Jihad in my country a few years ago. Muslims were being slaughtered and there was a genocide of the Muslims. Do you mean to tell me that my people should've done nothing? No. We as Muslims believe in Jihad. So we fight. We fight for the sake of Allah to make His Word supreme. And in war you might die. But we would love to die for the sake of Allah.

How come it isn't wrong to say that it's honourable to die while fighting for freedom and democracy, but when someone promotes the idea of fighting for the sake of God, then it's all controversial.

Well, our life and our death is for Allah. Deal with it.

Nice reply.

Its a double standard for such people the fighting to spread democracy and there ideolgies, dying for what they beleive in is more honourable. When someone mentions fighting in the way of Allah (SWT) against those who oppresse these same people label them as 'terrorists'. They have no answer for this, to die for the 'stars and stripes' against these 'extremist moslems' is what they beleive in, they paint themselves as angels and well wishers but as Allah (SWT) says what is in there hearts is far worse.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

elo ello

its propa stupid when so called sheikhs, tel others to go for jihad, and they jus sit at home!! sheikhs lik dat r jus wannabeez

 

[Abu Zakariya]

elo ello

its propa stupid when so called sheikhs, tel others to go for jihad, and they jus sit at home!! sheikhs lik dat r jus wannabeez

He was quoting a hadith. He wasn't telling anyone to go anywehere. You shouldn't backbite our brother.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

elo ello

its propa stupid when so called sheikhs, tel others to go for jihad, and they jus sit at home!! sheikhs lik dat r jus wannabeez

umm.. be careful of how you say dat akhee

coz anwar... he did read out certain books n stuff and theres other sheikhs who try give us the knowledge not necessarily telling us to DO IT NOW but BE PREPARED.


lol jus heads up bro

 

[chacha_jalebi]

lol firstly manz havent backbited

2nd, i jus gav my opinion, in the main story it says he encouragin children for jihad, then he callin jews pigs. i dont agree with dat. its lik he buildin up hatred, i know the videos hav been edited to look bad,but in the video when he talks bout jews he makes pig noises lol. now that is stupid, jihad isnt meant to be a personal battle, its meant to be for only Allah swt

 

[Abu Zakariya]

lol firstly manz havent backbited

2nd, i jus gav my opinion, in the main story it says he encouragin children for jihad, then he callin jews pigs. i dont agree with dat. its lik he buildin up hatred, i know the videos hav been edited to look bad,but in the video when he talks bout jews he makes pig noises lol. now that is stupid, jihad isnt meant to be a personal battle, its meant to be for only Allah swt

Well, akhi you've gone and completely changed the subject. You were talking about telling others to go for jihad and then not doing it yourself. Where did Shaykh Feiz do that? He was quoting ahadith. Jihad is the pinnacle of Islam - Rasulullah sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam told us that. Jihad is a part of Islam. Why shouldn't we teach it to our children? Why shouldn't we instill the love of shahadah in our children?

As for the part about the Jews... Well, I haven't seen the whole video. But I seriously doubt that he called the Jews pigs (because if he did, they would've quoted him but they didn't). Now, he might've refered to Jews that fight against Muslims as pigs. Is that racism? Is someone racist for ridiculing al-Qaida? I do hate the extremist Jews that occupy Muslim lands and kill Muslims. I don't see anything wrong with ridiculing them.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

ok bruv

i didnt change subject, you said he was talkin bout a hadiths and that sorted it out

also wen preachin you should preach and follow the islamic ethics of behaviour, and riduculin ppl durin a khutba, is wrong!

 

[Abu Zakariya]

ok bruv

i didnt change subject, you said he was talkin bout a hadiths and that sorted it out

also wen preachin you should preach and follow the islamic ethics of behaviour, and riduculin ppl durin a khutba, is wrong!

He might've done something wrong. Or not. I don't know. Allahu ta'ala 'alim.
But he's not present here, so let's not talk bad about him. Especially when non-Muslims are attacking him. We are his brothers, we at least should defend him.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

i jus gav my opinion no harm was intended

and the kuffar are attackin him, bcos they wana try and say islam is like that! judgin a religion by lookin at one person is dum. cos i can jus turn around and say that co sum priests are peadophiles or gay then the christian religion teaches that. and we all know that isnt tru, judgin a religion by lookin at a few ppl is dum

 

[Snowflake]

A big thumbs up to the Sheik for his comment about instilling the love of Jihad in children's hearts.

And to those members who find his comment offensive, you should know that Jihad becomes obligatory at certain times. Like myself the Sheikh must've noticed that the majority of todays muslim youth have astrayed from Islam and the last thing they want to do is die defending their muslims brothers and sisters. So the Shiekh is right in saying the children must be taught this obligation from an early age and be prepared for jihad as adults.

I am going to teach my son his obligation of Jihad as a muslim. And I hope that some day he will put his life on the line to defend his brothers and sisters in Islam. If every muslim stood up to do that, we'd wipe out the oppressers and not leave a sign that they ever walked this earth. Allahu Akbar!

 

[Umar001]

Erm, brother FBI, is this the same brother who was recorded as making a kind of joke with the 'oink oink'?? Argh. :enough!: :enough!:

is more than enough. Sickening.

Just wondering, is there anything in life that you would fight for and would die for?

 

[sevgi]

im goin off my nut here in Australia.u shud hear the stuff they are saying about him...i feel like laughing and crying at the same time. they introduce him as a "one of Australias leading sheiks..." stuf like, he is the head of all aussie muslims...he doesnt even have that sort of Authority. i could bet a whole lot saying that 70% of muslims in Australia dnt even know who he is, (before he started his crap) let alone follow him and 'sacrifice themselves' because he said so.:enough!:

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

I think our brothers and sisters would benefit much from this:

http://www.islamicboard.com/sects-divisions/815-sectarian-debate-al-albani-vs-jihadi.html

This is not to attack him, as I dont know much about him, but this ^ clarifies alot.

 

[Malaikah]

Erm, brother FBI, is this the same brother who was recorded as making a kind of joke with the 'oink oink'?? Argh. :enough!: :enough!:

Yes, it is. The joke was tactless for sure, but lets give him the benefit of the doubt because he was talking about the Jews who will be fighting the Muslims in the main war to come, the ones who will hide behind objects and the object would yell out something like 'oh muslim, there is a jew behind me, come and kill him'... so he wasn't referring to all jews.

But yeh the joke was tactless, though it isn't the end of the world.

 

[MTAFFI]

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[SilentObserver]

I am going to teach my son his obligation of Jihad as a muslim. And I hope that some day he will put his life on the line to defend his brothers and sisters in Islam. If every muslim stood up to do that, we'd wipe out the oppressers and not leave a sign that they ever walked this earth. Allahu Akbar!

Most people would consider this the sign of a terrible mother that does not love her child.

 

[Malaikah]

^Most people are also not Muslim.

 

[SilentObserver]

It is one thing to raise a child to be willing to put his life on the line for what he believes, and hope that he doesn't have to. It is another very terrible thing to hope that he puts his life on the line.

 

[Malaikah]

Then what's the point of preaching something you don't expect or want them to use?!