Shiek Faiz To Be Charged With Hate Crime!

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Thanks for your last post.

As for the thing about dying. Well, we do teach that the life of someone belongs to God. And we live and die for Him. As for the details, then we aren't saying that you go and strap bombs on your self and kill innocents. The people that do say this are extremists and there aren't a lot of them among the Muslims. The scholars have refuted the people that advocate terrorism. So we aren't refering to this.

As for the concept itself, it isn't unique to Islam. As the Jews of this forum have explained, they are taught to prefer death over polytheism. They would rather commit suicide than accept worshipping idols.
 
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Am amazed, it seems that some hope for something we are not meanto hope for, is there not a narration that says 'do not hope to meet the enemy' i.e. to fight them? Yet we hope to?

And then we use such terminology with people who might not even comprehend the meaning of Jihad or the meaning of Shahada, no wonder people end up thinking 'This is not from God'

Hmm, as for Speakers making jokes, personally I place an emphasise on it since we live in times where Muslims are misunderstood, so we need to be extra vigilant to show Islam in the right way, for example, if someone knows you well then you can joke around with that person, and they will know your joking and that your not normally that way, but when someone does not know you well and thinks your a sexist man, then you make a joke then that person would not know if that is really you or you just joking.

So at such times it seems very unwise to make such jokes, in my view anyway, and as long as there are speakers who do not make such remarks I will insha'Allah listen to them first, am not saying this against any brother or sister in particularly just my view.
 
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Am amazed, it seems that some hope for something we are not meanto hope for, is there not a narration that says 'do not hope to meet the enemy' i.e. to fight them? Yet we hope to?

And then we use such terminology with people who might not even comprehend the meaning of Jihad or the meaning of Shahada, no wonder people end up thinking 'This is not from God'

Hmm, as for Speakers making jokes, personally I place an emphasise on it since we live in times where Muslims are misunderstood, so we need to be extra vigilant to show Islam in the right way, for example, if someone knows you well then you can joke around with that person, and they will know your joking and that your not normally that way, but when someone does not know you well and thinks your a sexist man, then you make a joke then that person would not know if that is really you or you just joking.

So at such times it seems very unwise to make such jokes, in my view anyway, and as long as there are speakers who do not make such remarks I will insha'Allah listen to them first, am not saying this against any brother or sister in particularly just my view.
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It goes beyond a joke. In every joke it reveals a little bit of truth about yourself. Did you watch the clip? You have Imans saying how women are inferior to a man in every way. You have Imans giving spiritual instruction to beat women if they refuse the hijab. Watch it, it is the words of these people unaltered.
 
Joan of Arc said:
It goes beyond a joke. In every joke it reveals a little bit of truth about yourself. Did you watch the clip? You have Imans saying how women are inferior to a man in every way. You have Imans giving spiritual instruction to beat women if they refuse the hijab. Watch it, it is the words of these people unaltered.
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With all due respect, I have seen it, and I am astonished as to how people can edit so maliciously and still sleep with a ease in their heart.

Let me give you an example, a man named Khalid Yaseen is quoted, from a Dvd named something like 'Muslim Woman's Character' now, I have watched the Dvd more than once, I had it at my house, what the show quotes him as saying is something like 'Here Khalid Yaseen says that Woman equality is a delusion' and so forth, giving the impression of the stereotype that women are less than man and so forth, they do not show the whole of the speech in essence, yet me having watched the Dvd, I know that the speaker was talking about the fact that man has a role and woman has a role, not in a derogatory way, but yes, woman and man are not equal in the sense that man cannot have a child, and so forth, yet the way he was quoted made it seem as though he meant that women are like animals.

Anyhow, I do not expect you in honesty to want to undertake the task of finding the truth out, if you do then it will benefit you if you don't then I guess it will only wrong you.

Also, it would be nice if you would watch a partial reply given by Abu Usamah.

I cannot say I agree with all of the things, since I have not known the other speakers, but the theory of probability tells me that just as I have seen some quoted in less than honest fashion, I can be pretty sure that others probably have been too.

Regards, Eesa :).
 
Al Habeshi said:
With all due respect, I have seen it, and I am astonished as to how people can edit so maliciously and still sleep with a ease in their heart.

Let me give you an example, a man named Khalid Yaseen is quoted, from a Dvd named something like 'Muslim Woman's Character' now, I have watched the Dvd more than once, I had it at my house, what the show quotes him as saying is something like 'Here Khalid Yaseen says that Woman equality is a delusion' and so forth, giving the impression of the stereotype that women are less than man and so forth, they do not show the whole of the speech in essence, yet me having watched the Dvd, I know that the speaker was talking about the fact that man has a role and woman has a role, not in a derogatory way, but yes, woman and man are not equal in the sense that man cannot have a child, and so forth, yet the way he was quoted made it seem as though he meant that women are like animals.

Anyhow, I do not expect you in honesty to want to undertake the task of finding the truth out, if you do then it will benefit you if you don't then I guess it will only wrong you.

Also, it would be nice if you would watch a partial reply given by Abu Usamah.

I cannot say I agree with all of the things, since I have not known the other speakers, but the theory of probability tells me that just as I have seen some quoted in less than honest fashion, I can be pretty sure that others probably have been too.

Regards, Eesa :).
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So how can you misinterpret "When they are 4 we tell them to wear the Hajib, when they are 9 we hit them."? Or "Allah has made the woman deficient"? Or "If she refuses to wear the hijab we hit her"? Or "if you wife refuses you you prod her with your fist"? Or "Allah has ordered us to do brainwashing"?
 
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Joan of Arc said:
So how can you misinterpret "When they are 4 we tell them to wear the Hajib, when they are 9 we hit them."?
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I have never heard of this as a Hadeeth or as part of the Islamic teachings. As I said before, I cannot testify for all, but for the few that I know I can.


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Or "Allah has made the woman deficient"?
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If you were to take a look at the reply given by the party that was quoted, i.e. Abu Usamah maybe you'd see his meaning in this.

Furthermore, if you would like to know the topic then I urge you to take a look at this site's refutation area under which you will find a thread discussing something linked to this.

The talking of such a topic would entail hours of discussion and much reading.

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/18034-why-two-women-witnesses.html

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Or "if you wife refuses you you prod her with your fist"?
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This issue again is something which has been discussed on the forum, I would again encourage anyone to read on it, that is if they are sincere in their search.

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Or "Allah has ordered us to do brainwashing"?
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If you actually view what the man is speaking of he does say something like 'they have done brain defiling..' i.e. indicating that many of us have been confused or in some ways misguided by society, i.e. that homosexuality is right or that sleeping around is ok, and so forth, basic matters that some Jews and Christians would agree with, I know many Christians, family members, who don't like their kids watchin tv, and have only the God channel, because they believe that non believers can influence their kids, so the speaker is saying, because of such defiling that has happend, 'we are ordered to do brain WASHING' i.e. was away the wrong that we have been brought up knowing and being told.

If one takes the whole talk into consideration it would make sense, specially if they watch it again and again, but if you take a two second sound bite then am sure 'brainwashing' will be misunderstood.

Coming to the conclusion, what I would like to say to you is that, am sure as a rational person you have had times where you've needed more than 3 minutes to explain a situation you have found yourself in, now imagine being in a totally alien place, where noone understood your 'culture' and then having to explain to such people why you do what you do, then imagine that you practice that your trying to explain may at first be misunderstood, I am sure you understand that a two minute time gap is not enough to explain. Thus if people are truthful in exposing such teachings they should do it properly, each of the above quotes is something that is seens as 'contraversial' if you have noticed, something that would of course require explanantion and background knowledge if it were to be understood properly, and this is the difference between a truthseeker and one who just seeks to make his own view truthful.

Regards, Eesa :)
 
A general reminder for all:


"If you hear something that you do not like about your brother, then try your best to seek out an excuse for him. And if you do not find any excuse for him, then say: perhaps my brother has an excuse that I do not know about." -Abu Qulamah Al-Jirmi
 
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