Mujahideen Literally Walk Over Mines To Save People - Bravery!

[Pygoscelis]

Once you go through what I have been through meaning losing family and friends in war, not being able to return to your country for 7 years not see your family for 7 years and many other things which I can't tell you, you start to have phsycological problems and you can't control your anger or hate and you no longer can see who is your friend and who is your enemy.

Children are not your enemy. That much I think should be visible through the rage.

Chechens, even myself, once we see a Russian be he a soldier or not we feel terrible rage and are ready to jump on him and rip him apart.

And that makes you dangerous. If you are prone to go violent on somebody you've never met just because he happens to be Russian, and even if he had nothing whatsoever to do with the attrocities you speak of, that makes you a danger to society and frankly you should be locked up until you can regain perspective and self control.

It's hard for you to understand these things because you don't know what war is.

You presume too much.

 

[Chechnya]

Interesting logic that. You would hold all citizens of these places responsible? Even if they didn't vote for the regime who comitted the said acts? And what makes you think we don't criticize Russia, Israel and the USA?

That's your straw man talking.

Who else is responsible if not the nation that voted them in - if americans or russians cant find one guy from 300 million people that doesnt believe in killling muslims as a foreign policy, then what are we to think? :rollseyes

Oh sorry i forgot theres different rules when its non-muslims dying instead of muslims

And just because somebody else is doing something terrible that gives these folks who killed children a free pass? Again, two attrocities don't make a right.

Who says they do?

Im just telling you to concetrate on the bigger problem of nations electing child-killers into power first.

You presume too much.

Which war have you been through?

 

[SATalha]

Oh Allah please make the people realise that more Chechen children have died. So focus on them instaed one act of sheer despiration which led to the unfortunate killing of children on the other side.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Who else is responsible if not the nation that voted them in - if americans or russians cant find one guy from 300 million people that doesnt believe in killling muslims as a foreign policy, then what are we to think? :rollseyes

I repeat, you would hold the entire populace responsible? Even those who didn't vote for these people? The majority of US citizens didn't vote for Bush, for example. And many are outraged at Bush's actions and view him much the way you probably do.

Oh sorry i forgot theres different rules when its non-muslims dying instead of muslims

And again with your straw man. Why do you keep insisting on this? Who here has said that attrocities done to muslims are any less sickening? You seem to want to paint everybody as evil. Perhaps to justify a bigotry you care not to admit?

Im just telling you to concetrate on the bigger problem of nations electing child-killers into power first.

I have plenty of scorn to pass around. No need to triage it for me.

 

[Chechen]

Children are not your enemy. That much I think should be visible through the rage.



And that makes you dangerous. If you are prone to go violent on somebody you've never met just because he happens to be Russian, and even if he had nothing whatsoever to do with the attrocities you speak of, that makes you a danger to society and frankly you should be locked up until you can regain perspective and self control.



You presume too much.

Oh I should be locked up because I went through war and that has given me psychological problems? You speak as if it was my choice. And did I ever say I attacked someone just because he's Russian? No I said I feel like attacking him but I keep myself in control. And sadly I won't be able to become a normal person cause I have gone through what most people have never been through. I have seen things in real life which you people see in movies and feel schocked about.

 

[SATalha]

:raging:

Oh I should be locked up because I went through war and that has given me psychological problems? You speak as if it was my choice. And did I ever say I attacked someone just because he's Russian? No I said I feel like attacking him but I keep myself in control. And sadly I won't be able to become a normal person cause I have gone through what most people have never been through. I have seen things in real life which you people see in movies and feel schocked about.

Yep a study was conducted, Chechens are the most psycologicaly effected people in the world. This is due to the fact that most people have witnessed loved ones being killed. Look the Chechens are the victims o.k I am sick of hearing about the victims of a few killings by the Mujahideens. Everyone forgot about the Chechens and let the Russsian terrorist do as they please. :raging:

 

[Joan of Arc]

Oh I should be locked up because I went through war and that has given me psychological problems? You speak as if it was my choice. And did I ever say I attacked someone just because he's Russian? No I said I feel like attacking him but I keep myself in control. And sadly I won't be able to become a normal person cause I have gone through what most people have never been through. I have seen things in real life which you people see in movies and feel schocked about.

Through Alla all things are possible. Maybe you should concentrate on your deen and ask for peace within your soul when you perform the salat

 

[SATalha]

Can I just make a comment I am reading through this post and I have noticed that people dont realise the truama that the Chechens when through. I can become very graphic in my explanation but i dont want to. Trust me it will scken you.

What will it take for you to break down? the rape of your wife? the rape of your sister? or Mother? tell me. If you saw this wouldnt you go psyco. Or maybe seeing your brother die in front of you.... would that do it? I can go one and it has happened to every Chechen. Is it surprising that many brothers and sisters have lost the will to live. Is it surprising that they see Russians and Russians as the ones to kill. Slap yourself and wake up and put yourself in the shoes of Chechen.

Dont judge what you have not experienced :enough!:

 

[Joan of Arc]

Can I just make a comment I am reading through this post and I have noticed that people dont realise the truama that the Chechens when through. I can become very graphic in my explanation but i dont want to. Trust me it will scken you.

What will it take for you to break down? the rape of your wife? the rape of your sister? or Mother? tell me. If you saw this wouldnt you go psyco. Or maybe seeing your brother die in front of you.... would that do it? I can go one and it has happened to every Chechen. Is it surprising that many brothers and sisters have lost the will to live. Is it surprising that they see Russians and Russians as the ones to kill. Slap yourself and wake up and put yourself in the shoes of Chechen.

Dont judge what you have not experienced :enough!:

Did not all the mighty prophets go through trials and tribulations but yet preached peace? From Musa to Muhammed they have endured worst. You are to fight those that fight against you not the innocent for example children. If Allah has created you obviously Allah can repair you when you are broken.

 

[SATalha]

Did not all the mighty prophets go through trials and tribulations but yet preached peace? From Musa to Muhammed they have endured worst. You are to fight those that fight against you not the innocent for example children. If Allah has created you obviously Allah can repair you when you are broken.

You are right keep in my mind these people where the chosen ones, Phrophets. They had the right mindset we do not. We are weak in our iman compared to them. All I am saying is that we can not every one to exercise restraint, there are some people out there that just wont be able to control themselves. The only output of their anger is the Russian nation that has inflicted this harm on them. Please bare in mind the human mind is weak we are not like the phrophets or the Sahabas.

 

[Joan of Arc]

You are right keep in my mind these people where the chosen ones, Phrophets. They had the right mindset we do not. We are weak in our iman compared to them. All I am saying is that we can not every one to exercise restraint, there are some people out there that just wont be able to control themselves. The only output of their anger is the Russian nation that has inflicted this harm on them. Please bare in mind the human mind is weak we are not like the phrophets or the Sahabas.

Becareful brother not to hold these prophets up as idols. Even though they are chosen they were still just men. They had flesh as we do. We might not be able to reach their level of unsderstanding but we must strive for it.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Becareful brother not to hold these prophets up as idols. Even though they are chosen they were still just men. They had flesh as we do. We might not be able to reach their level of unsderstanding but we must strive for it.

are you muslim?


Also SATalha after reading what you said i understood even better why the highest places of jannah are reserved for men of patience, subhanAllaah imagine having patience through all that. May Allaah strengthen us all...

 

[Joan of Arc]

are you muslim?


Also SATalha after reading what you said i understood even better why the highest places of jannah are reserved for men of patience, subhanAllaah imagine having patience through all that. May Allaah strengthen us all...

Does it matter?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Does it matter?

i like to understand the person im talking to and addressing them as such.

For example if your not muslim then i will avoid calling you brother and acting as though you accept the teachings of islam and if your muslim then i can call you a brother and talk as though you fully accept islam and its teachings and i can use islam to prove things to you.

So what are you?

 

[Joan of Arc]

i like to understand the person im talking to and addressing them as such.

For example if your not muslim then i will avoid calling you brother and acting as though you accept the teachings of islam and if your muslim then i can call you a brother and talk as though you fully accept islam and its teachings and i can use islam to prove things to you.

So what are you?

I wouldn't be a brother anyway lol. I don't want to go into my background in regards of myself and Islam but no I am not a muslim. That does not mean I have not studied the Quran

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^hehe she's a sis sis in humanity at least

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I wouldn't be a brother anyway lol. I don't want to go into my background in regards of myself and Islam but no I am not a muslim. That does not mean I have not studied the Quran

would it be ok to make a seperate thread and discuss what you have studied and what you have deduced? honestly if your a non muslim studying the quran then i want to understand what you think, if you dont mind

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^ i would wana know too actually

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

he/she got banned!!! bah!!! i really wanted to know aswell...

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

huh why? LOL. jus now?? :X