What a great new law!!

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I hope it's not ridiculous like the 'British Test'. That wasn't about teaching people about British culture, that was just expecting people to know obscure facts about this country! Not that people should have to know more than the basics of British culture before they come here.
I also hope it does not expect people to know fluent English and have an English accent. People do need to know decent English to get an ordinary job in the UK, but expecting people to speak completely fluently is a bit unrealistic. I can quite easily understand plenty of people who do not know fluent English.
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It's a 'written' test. I know lots of people that are really good at writing then speaking, so they will all be fine i guess.
 
I think some people should be exempt, like elderly because it can be hard for them.

I think equally important is that they should teach people manners, I have noticed people from certain continents and nationalities seem to come across quite rude, they do not mean to, but they just are SO rude, they never say please or thank you and if you help them, for example, you help an elderly lady on the bus, instead of saying 'Oh thanks could you put the bag there for me' some just tend to look at you with a bad face and not even say anything just point and indicate where the bag should go as if your their slave.


Teach people english and people manners!!

*sigh of relief*
 
I think some people should be exempt, like elderly because it can be hard for them.

I think equally important is that they should teach people manners, I have noticed people from certain continents and nationalities seem to come across quite rude, they do not mean to, but they just are SO rude, they never say please or thank you and if you help them, for example, you help an elderly lady on the bus, instead of saying 'Oh thanks could you put the bag there for me' some just tend to look at you with a bad face and not even say anything just point and indicate where the bag should go as if your their slave.


Teach people english and people manners!!

*sigh of relief*

Thank you for saying this! So true! Manners, and knowing what is rude and what is courteous in the culture of the host country, is extremely important.
 
I think some people should be exempt, like elderly because it can be hard for them.

I think equally important is that they should teach people manners, I have noticed people from certain continents and nationalities seem to come across quite rude, they do not mean to, but they just are SO rude, they never say please or thank you and if you help them, for example, you help an elderly lady on the bus, instead of saying 'Oh thanks could you put the bag there for me' some just tend to look at you with a bad face and not even say anything just point and indicate where the bag should go as if your their slave.


Teach people english and people manners!!

*sigh of relief*


Some good points.
Last year I went on Hajj and I noticed that it was the mojority of people that were from countries that are politically behind that were causing disruption.
There was lots of uncivilisation like pushing into que's, spitting in inappropriate places, littering etc. I believe it was due to lack of education in social manners.
 
Thank you for saying this! So true! Manners, and knowing what is rude and what is courteous in the culture of the host country, is extremely important.

Probably even more important than the language.
 
Some good points.
Last year I went on Hajj and I noticed that it was the mojority of people that were from countries that are politically behind that were causing disruption.
There was lots of uncivilisation like pushing into que's, spitting in inappropriate places, littering etc. I believe it was due to lack of education in social manners.

I have noticed that many immigrants in my country have no respect for this place. They litter without thinking, and abuse the environment to benefit economically. This at a time when the social conscience of the existing citizens is focussing on protecting the environment and pressuring industry to stop polluting. They need also to be taught social values of the host country. This would help avoid problems with existing citizens. I have confronted litterers on this issue.
 
Probably even more important than the language.

I must mention this. Alhamdolillah If we followed Islam as it was meant to be (a way of life) these problems would never arise in the first place. The prophet (peace be upon him) has set the perfect example of social manners.
 
Phew I am glad that I wasn't misunderstood or anything, or thought of as a racist, since some members of my family have the same problem, alhamdulilah, I think though, from personal experience, those of us who are mature enough should not rely on such teachings to work but rather rely on our tolerance, and then hope that people being taught things will make a difference.

It is easy to get fastruated or angry, but sometimes maybe someone appears to be rude because of a speech imparement they have or maybe a disability, so as advice to myself, lnsha'Allah always offer escuses.
 
It is easy to get fastruated or angry, but sometimes maybe someone appears to be rude because of a speech imparement they have or maybe a disability, so as advice to myself, lnsha'Allah always offer escuses.

Those people are usually easy to distinguish from the average joe who just lacks in scocial ettiquets.
 
Those people are usually easy to distinguish from the average joe who just lacks in scocial ettiquets.

I doubt it, for example, how do you know someone has not go learning difficulties, or that maybe someone has not just come into the country and is trying to learn, or that maybe that someone has nearly been killed in their home land, their whole family was left behind, they came on their own and are just trying to find their feet and havent had time to learn.

I mean theres millions of things, alot of immigrants have been through stuff some people born in 'developt' contries cant even imagine.
 
ok you have a point.
but I was referring to someone that's just come from abroad, maybe through marrying someone in uk.
You can easily distinguish them.........
 
From April 2007, anyone wishing to come and live in uk for good, has to pass an English test otherwise they will not get their visa's.

Personally I think it's a great idea. It is a law that was long due. If you wish to live in any country it makes sense to learn the language of that land.

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its cool...its about time i showed them my english skills...but on a serious not, sis, you got any source, i want to show it to my dad, but he probably would think its not authentic enough...he even checked the home office thing today morning, it dosnt say anything like this.

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Yeah your right it was long due....I also heard that you had to take a british history test or something?

its a good thing i chose History for my GCSEs.
 
i think its discriminatory. What of people whoa re good assets 2an economy but just don't have the language to back them up, atleast in short term.. or for ppl who simply need help.

nothing wrong with insuring ppl learn the lingo... by putting language regulations n stuff... but to mate it a pre-req for entry. I think goes a bit too far.

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I don't like it much either. I figure for some people it is a great idea, such as people who have to work, I mean, you can't work with people if you can't communicate with them.

At the same time, I don't see why such a law should be applied to the elderly who are just too old to care about a language and probably only moved to the country to live with their kids or something?

I mean people should really be given the choice, if they do not need to know the language, then why force them to learn it?
 
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sis, you got any source, i want to show it to my dad, but he probably would think its not authentic enough...he even checked the home office thing today morning, it dosnt say anything like this.



Here's a link: http://www.lifeintheuktest.gov.uk/htmlsite/background_10.html

Background to the test
Why has the test been introduced?
Becoming a British citizen or deciding to settle permanently in this country is an important event in your life. If you are applying for naturalisation as a British citizen or for indefinite leave to remain, you will need to show that you know about life in the UK. If you live in England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, you can do this in two ways: by taking the Life in the UK Test or by taking combined English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) and citizenship classes.

Who has to take the test?
You should take the test if you are applying for naturalisation as a British citizen and your level of English is ESOL Entry 3 or above. If your level of English is lower than ESOL Entry 3 and you wish to apply for naturalisation, you will need to attend combined English language (ESOL) and citizenship classes instead. Most local further education or community colleges run these courses.

If you are applying for indefinite leave to remain on or after 1 April 2007, you will either need to take the test or attend combined English language and citizenship classes.

If you are unsure about whether you need to take the test, you can contact the Immigration and Nationality Enquiry Bureau on 0870 606 7766.

What are ESOL and citizenship classes?
ESOL and citizenship classes help you to improve your English and learn more about life in the UK. You can take these classes at your local further education or community college. To find out more about ESOL and citizenship classes, contact your local college, or call the Life in the UK Test Helpline on 0800 0154245.

How do I know what my level of English is?
If you are not sure what your level of English is, your local further education college or learndirect centre can give you an initial assessment. If you need help finding somewhere near you to take an initial assessment, then call the Life in the UK Test Helpline on 0800 0154245.

Is the test only available in English?
At present, the test is only available in English. If there is a demand, the test may be offered in Welsh and Scottish Gaelic. The test will not be made available in any other languages.

When do I take the test?
You should take the test before you apply for naturalisation as a British citizen, provided you meet all the other requirements for naturalisation. The Home Office website provides more information on how to apply for naturalisation as a British citizen. If you pass the test, you are given a letter which proves you have been successful. This is called your pass notification letter. You will need to attach your pass notification letter to your filled-in citizenship application form and send both to the Home Office. The Home Office will retain the information it gets from test centres for a reasonable period. However, you should submit your application as soon as possible after taking the test.

From 1 April 2007, you will have to take the test before applying for indefinite leave to remain (settlement).

Where can I find out more information about the test?
This 'About the test' section of the website is designed to provide you with all the information you need about taking the test. If after reading this section you still have some questions, you can contact the Life in the UK Test Helpline on 0800 0154245 for more help.
 
I mean people should really be given the choice, if they do not need to know the language, then why force them to learn it?

that's a really good point.......many people move someplace else so that they could live near or with their children after they retire.....it's not like retired people are going to work anyways.
 

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