South America: Toward an Alternative Future

[Skywalker]

there is an islamic presence in south america... it is a very large place... but please do not misinterpret this... it is and will always be a minority... Roman Catholicism is our culture...

Hola Jayda
Can you tell me where this Islamic presence is concentrated the most?...or is it scattered all over?

Do you think that it's best that people in SA not know about Islam, or that they know about it and choose Christianity? I think the second option is better because it would make them stronger Christians while at the same time the Muslims would have done their duty and delivered the message of Islam.

I'm all for freedom of belief, because I think that only through investigating alternatives and finally settling on a religion based on conviction is the only way to actually be a true part of it. That's why I think that nobody should be denied knowledge of other religions, and everyone should be given the equal right to present their beliefs.

 

[Trumble]

personally I believe 100% in democracy, but everyone has their own choice

Socialism and democracy are not necessarily incompatible, although that does depend on which models, and definitions, of democracy and socialism you are talking about. I would hold though that there is rather more of a void between socialism and social democracy than Woodrow suggests.

Exactly how democratic the most commonly seen versions of 'democracy' actually are is, of course, another question.

 

[Jayda]

Hola Jayda
Can you tell me where this Islamic presence is concentrated the most?...or is it scattered all over?

hola Skywalker,

in general muslims live everywhere in central and south america... within each country the muslims are sometimes concentrated... for example in mexico there are many muslims in guadalajara, in Brazil i know there are many in sao paolo. i know many arabs live in columbia mostly christians but there are muslims.

Do you think that it's best that people in SA not know about Islam, or that they know about it and choose Christianity? I think the second option is better because it would make them stronger Christians while at the same time the Muslims would have done their duty and delivered the message of Islam.

i believe it is always best that they remain Catholic... so that they will have Salvation with Jesus and his Church. i think that is of primary importance... it is important that all Catholics know the dangerous heresies (such as Christ not being divine, which muslims believe) so that they can flock to orthodoxy, and i believe it is important that all Catholics know the good and wonderful things that non Christians believe that are shared beliefs with Catholicism... like belief in One God...

so i think it is good that Catholics are aware of other religious beliefs, but from a proper perspective... this means from what the Church teaches and not for example muslim missionaries... concretely Catholics should learn from the Church not dr zakir naik... that way they know what other people believe, are strengthened in their faith because they understand it better from a comparative standpoint, know what heresies to stay away from... but still know that there are different people in the world who must be respected and treated politely and as Catholics are meant to treat their neighbors...

I'm all for freedom of belief, because I think that only through investigating alternatives and finally settling on a religion based on conviction is the only way to actually be a true part of it. That's why I think that nobody should be denied knowledge of other religions, and everyone should be given the equal right to present their beliefs.

i think it is a good thing that we understand there are different religions and beliefs in the world, but it is the best thing that the different religions and beliefs are told to Catholics properly... muslim missionaries or people who are muslim would try to convert Catholics by telling them improper things... the Church is the best guide in all things and would teach properly the different beliefs of others without leading young Catholics astray... the Church is to guide toward God, the kind of freedom of belief you are talking about is a modern idea that does not have a place in the Churchs purpose... it is too easily a vehicle for misdirection...

all of this said, people in south and central america are not sheltered from other religions... and do not choose the Church over Islam because of ignorance... we know a lot about other religions. there is a muslim presence in south american and central america that teaches what it is about... i do not think that such a situation is best... as i said it is better the Church teaches about other religions than the people who walk those directions themselves since there is a serious threat of misguidance (intentionally, or merely blindly with good intentions)...

Dios te bendiga

 

[Khattab]

Argentina has its fair share of muslims also and the muslim owned Habibs fast food joints in Brasil are very famous too!

Interestingly I know brother who went to Venezuala and one guy he met could trace his lineage back to one of the companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him).

Im planning to go to Argentina next year and possibly also Peru, Brasil and Mexico along the way.

South Americans are very much family orientated like the muslims and also have the same mentality of helping one another out.

 

[Woodrow]

I have found the majority of South Americans to be very friendly and helpful. I used to go into Mexico very often and even vivir circa Reynosa por quatro Anos. (Lived in the Reynosa Area for four years).

Technicaly Mexico is in North America, but the culture is more South American. Well actually it is very unique.

The Mexican people are among the friendliest people I have ever met. I usualy prefered the smaller towns. My favorite is LaPesca a little fishing village. But, I only visited there a few times.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Socialism is great. If it works. Unfortunately, in ninety years or so of trying to put it into practice nobody has yet succesfully demonstrated that it can.

As you say, if Chavez does succeed other countries may follow. I'm not holding my breath.

i agree it doesnt work, but then neither does capitalism.

man made idiologies will inevitably have flaws.

Abu Abdullah

 

[Jayda]

I have found the majority of South Americans to be very friendly and helpful. I used to go into Mexico very often and even vivir circa Reynosa por quatro Anos. (Lived in the Reynosa Area for four years).

Technicaly Mexico is in North America, but the culture is more South American. Well actually it is very unique.

The Mexican people are among the friendliest people I have ever met. I usualy prefered the smaller towns. My favorite is LaPesca a little fishing village. But, I only visited there a few times.

hola Woodrow,

you are very interesting... i know most texans do not like mexicans very much...

have you ever been to Veracruz?

Dios te bendiga

 

[Woodrow]

hola Woodrow,

you are very interesting... i know most texans do not like mexicans very much...

have you ever been to Veracruz?

Dios te bendiga

I'm a transplant. This is the longest I have been in Texas. I originaly started life in Connecticut. But, after I left the Seminary I immediatly went into the AF for the next 7 years, got injured and ended my AF career. I eventualy got a legitimate Job and was able to retire when I was 50 and was in Louisiana at the time. Thought I'd settle in Mexico.I liked San Miguel Allende, but ended up just on the outskirts of Reynosa. Stayed there for almost 4 years, then crossed back to Texas and lived in the Valley. Most of the time in McAllen. So, I came to Texas from Mexico LOL Came out of retirement a few times and worked for the State of Texas. But, my health finaly gave out and I was no longer able to work. Now, I live with my daughter and her family. I met my second wife in Mexico, she was a Cherokee Indian originaly from North Carolina. How, she was in Mexico is another story.

No I never got to Veracruz. I kept intending to but never made it,

 

[Dawud_uk]

I'm a transplant. This is the longest I have been in Texas. I originaly started life in Connecticut. But, after I left the Seminary I immediatly went into the AF for the next 7 years, got injured and ended my AF career. I eventualy got a legitimate Job and was able to retire when I was 50 and was in Louisiana at the time. Thought I'd settle in Mexico.I liked San Miguel Allende, but ended up just on the outskirts of Reynosa. Stayed there for almost 4 years, then crossed back to Texas and lived in the Valley. Most of the time in McAllen. So, I came to Texas from Mexico LOL Came out of retirement a few times and worked for the State of Texas. But, my health finaly gave out and I was no longer able to work. Now, I live with my daughter and her family. I met my second wife in Mexico, she was a Cherokee Indian originaly from North Carolina. How, she was in Mexico is another story.

No I never got to Veracruz. I kept intending to but never made it,

woodrow is an illegal! he came over the border from mexico. lol

 

[Woodrow]

woodrow is an illegal! he came over the border from mexico. lol

Don't tell INS.

 

[Skywalker]

Don't tell INS.

Too late > hehehe

in general muslims live everywhere in central and south america... within each country the muslims are sometimes concentrated... for example in mexico there are many muslims in guadalajara, in Brazil i know there are many in sao paolo. i know many arabs live in columbia mostly christians but there are muslims.

Thanks for the info! I thought that Muslims were pretty much non-existant in SA. Interesting to know that there are some there too.

i believe it is always best that they remain Catholic... so that they will have Salvation with Jesus and his Church. i think that is of primary importance... it is important that all Catholics know the dangerous heresies (such as Christ not being divine, which muslims believe) so that they can flock to orthodoxy

Well any religion will tell you that they think it's best that all people be of that religion, but I think that people should be given all perspectives on different religions so that they can make up their own minds, and not follow blindly the conclusions of other. To be guided by them, yes, but not follow them without a second thought.

and i believe it is important that all Catholics know the good and wonderful things that non Christians believe that are shared beliefs with Catholicism... like belief in One God...

That's a very positive thing to do to promote inter-faith tolerance and peace with your neighbour and all that, but it's not very effective when searching for "the truth" to only look at similarities. I think the best way it to go and see what the other side has to say while at the same time see what your religion says about their arguments. I don't believe in a one-sided presentation for achieving conviction; all angles should be examined if you really want to find what works for you.

so i think it is good that Catholics are aware of other religious beliefs, but from a proper perspective... this means from what the Church teaches and not for example muslim missionaries...

Muslim missionaries...I didn't know such a thing existed...? Anyways, I'd have to disagree with that becuase no matter what, the perspective of the Church in this case would be biased. If a religion is the truth and they're confident it's the truth, they would not be afraid of letting their people explore other faiths and examine the similarities and differences on their own, but with proper guidance. You have to hear both sides of the argument to judge the truth for yourself.

concretely Catholics should learn from the Church not dr zakir naik... that way they know what other people believe, are strengthened in their faith because they understand it better from a comparative standpoint, know what heresies to stay away from... but still know that there are different people in the world who must be respected and treated politely and as Catholics are meant to treat their neighbors...

Agreed, but still, the Church would never say to someone "Islam is the truth because...", only Islam will say that, just as only Christianity can say that about itself, and the same applies for all religions. So when you learn about WHY each religion calls itself the truth and understand the reasoning and logic of each of its beliefs, along with finding out what your own religion says about these claims, only then are you qualified to make up your mind without a doubt, and be considered a true believer or whatever religion you choose.

the kind of freedom of belief you are talking about is a modern idea that does not have a place in the Churchs purpose... it is too easily a vehicle for misdirection...

It's a modern idea because the facilities to do this are only available now. But it's something that Islam has practiced since the beginning, with the limited facilites it had. People were allowed to believe what they wanted, and they were also presented with Islam as one of their options. They chose it out of their own free will, and a Muslim is only truly a Muslim if he's convinced of what he says he believes.

the Church is the best guide in all things and would teach properly the different beliefs of others without leading young Catholics astray

Again, all religions say this about themselves, but nevertheless, people should be left to explore the world and achieve their own conviction, but guidance from the Church or mosque or whatever you believe is always a plus.

 

[MTAFFI]

Too late > hehehe


Thanks for the info! I thought that Muslims were pretty much non-existant in SA. Interesting to know that there are some there too.


Well any religion will tell you that they think it's best that all people be of that religion, but I think that people should be given all perspectives on different religions so that they can make up their own minds, and not follow blindly the conclusions of other. To be guided by them, yes, but not follow them without a second thought.


That's a very positive thing to do to promote inter-faith tolerance and peace with your neighbour and all that, but it's not very effective when searching for "the truth" to only look at similarities. I think the best way it to go and see what the other side has to say while at the same time see what your religion says about their arguments. I don't believe in a one-sided presentation for achieving conviction; all angles should be examined if you really want to find what works for you.


Muslim missionaries...I didn't know such a thing existed...? Anyways, I'd have to disagree with that becuase no matter what, the perspective of the Church in this case would be biased. If a religion is the truth and they're confident it's the truth, they would not be afraid of letting their people explore other faiths and examine the similarities and differences on their own, but with proper guidance. You have to hear both sides of the argument to judge the truth for yourself.


Agreed, but still, the Church would never say to someone "Islam is the truth because...", only Islam will say that, just as only Christianity can say that about itself, and the same applies for all religions. So when you learn about WHY each religion calls itself the truth and understand the reasoning and logic of each of its beliefs, along with finding out what your own religion says about these claims, only then are you qualified to make up your mind without a doubt, and be considered a true believer or whatever religion you choose.


It's a modern idea because the facilities to do this are only available now. But it's something that Islam has practiced since the beginning, with the limited facilites it had. People were allowed to believe what they wanted, and they were also presented with Islam as one of their options. They chose it out of their own free will, and a Muslim is only truly a Muslim if he's convinced of what he says he believes.


Again, all religions say this about themselves, but nevertheless, people should be left to explore the world and achieve their own conviction, but guidance from the Church or mosque or whatever you believe is always a plus.

skywalker

I find it intriguing that you as a Muslim think that this should be done, since as far as I know Muslims are not to try to convert people but only tell them about Islam if asked. I also find it odd because if you convert from Islam it is punishable by death according to Islamic Law, so why would you think it is OK to go around attempting to convert Catholics? Islam is for people that need answers, or at least this is how I see it, as a Catholic I honestly dont need answers, I know what is right and wrong and I know there is a God and I know I worship him.. What is so wrong with a country like SA being Catholic, the middle east is Muslim and no one goes there trying to convert people. I am not trying to be offensive, but I just think if Islamic countries can make it a law that no one can try to convert the Muslims of their countries why should Muslims be allowed to come and try to convert people of other countries, I guess it just seems like a double standard to me

 

[Jayda]

Too late > hehehe


Thanks for the info! I thought that Muslims were pretty much non-existant in SA. Interesting to know that there are some there too.

hola Skywalker (may the force be with you )

de nada, in central and south america there is an idea of "mestizo" which is a race but really more of an idea... basically it is like the north american melting pot idea... many people coming together to become one people with different backgrounds... there are people from everywhere in south america

Well any religion will tell you that they think it's best that all people be of that religion, but I think that people should be given all perspectives on different religions so that they can make up their own minds, and not follow blindly the conclusions of other. To be guided by them, yes, but not follow them without a second thought.

i think maybe we do not understand each other... the Church is the pilgrim of God, it is meant to guide people to God and guide them away from things that are not God... there is no question regarding which religion is the right one, it is already known that Catholicism is right... the Church does encourage people to think and make decisions for themselves, but they must make decisions themselves with the best possible guidance from the Church, which means the full truth and not presenting all religions as being on equal footing or all possibly right...

That's a very positive thing to do to promote inter-faith tolerance and peace with your neighbour and all that, but it's not very effective when searching for "the truth" to only look at similarities. I think the best way it to go and see what the other side has to say while at the same time see what your religion says about their arguments. I don't believe in a one-sided presentation for achieving conviction; all angles should be examined if you really want to find what works for you.

well... i understand what you are saying but i think you misunderstand the position of the Church... the Church is bringing the Truth to people... not perpetuating their confusion with ambiguous messages about other possible "paths" or telling them to search all other paths that lead to nowhere first before they come back to the truth... things like other angles are illusions to try and trick people away from the truth, the Church stands as a bedrock against this...

but this should not be an excuse to be ignorant of the things other people believe, or to be hateful toward them... it is a good thing we know about other people, just as long as we do not become them or follow their misguided ways in the process... and i do not think that it is necessary to become somebody else in order to understand them at least enough that you can respect them as a neighbor...

Muslim missionaries...I didn't know such a thing existed...? Anyways, I'd have to disagree with that becuase no matter what, the perspective of the Church in this case would be biased. If a religion is the truth and they're confident it's the truth, they would not be afraid of letting their people explore other faiths and examine the similarities and differences on their own, but with proper guidance. You have to hear both sides of the argument to judge the truth for yourself.

i think maybe you are understanding what i am saying... the Church is the vehicle of God to bring the Truth, obviously the Church derives great confidence from this important mission and connection to God... and does invite people to examine all aspects of the faith for the purpose of better understanding it, which aids in their acceptance of the Truth. Not for the purpose of rejecting the Truth, this would be bad.

also the Church encourages us to know about other peoples ways of life... which includes the things they believe religiously, so that we may better understand them as people and neighbors... not so that we can follow their misguided ways or become tempted with these things.

because there are good things derived from questioning the Church and good things derived from examining other religions, the Church must find a way to show us how to achieve these benefits without being corrupted by the negative temptations that are associated with such examinations... this is exactly why the Church gives as you say "proper guidance" concerning these other religions... information in which temptation is filtered from it... it is best that it is done this way because as the Bible says the gates of hell can never prevail against the Church.

Agreed, but still, the Church would never say to someone "Islam is the truth because...", only Islam will say that, just as only Christianity can say that about itself, and the same applies for all religions. So when you learn about WHY each religion calls itself the truth and understand the reasoning and logic of each of its beliefs, along with finding out what your own religion says about these claims, only then are you qualified to make up your mind without a doubt, and be considered a true believer or whatever religion you choose.

this is correct... the Church would never say to somebody "X religion is the truth, not Catholicism" because the Churchs responsibility is to guide people toward truth... not misguide them toward deception. but invariably people who are misguided will say "follow x religion, and not the Church" either because they delight in deception or i think more often is the case they have convinced themselves that their misguidance is not misguidance... all the same it is untruth and temptation, and good Christians should flee from deception and enjoin the things God has given us that are unquestionable sources of Truth.

you are a true believer if in full knowledge of the Truth, which does not mean knowing about every possible variation of untruth and rejecting them, and they choose to enjoin it... to do otherwise is mortal sin.

It's a modern idea because the facilities to do this are only available now. But it's something that Islam has practiced since the beginning, with the limited facilites it had. People were allowed to believe what they wanted, and they were also presented with Islam as one of their options. They chose it out of their own free will, and a Muslim is only truly a Muslim if he's convinced of what he says he believes.

i think this makes sense in terms of islam because islam really thinks of itself as a "religion" that came from God to compete against other man made "religions" ... Catholicism is called a religion because that is convenient in lingua franca, but it is not how the Church concieves of this... Christianity is a mission and a ministry continuing from Jesus time on Earth, it is a call to an entire way of life and way of thinking and it is the only true path. the Holy Church was created to protect the people of the ministry and to continue guideing them... we are following Jesus, not entering into a "religion" (like entering a club or joining a team) as the common term is used...

there is only the path Jesus gave us, and being lost... the Church guides us down Jesus narrow path, the only other choice is fending for yourself in the wild...

so why would a good guide say "walk down that path for a little while, see if you find anything," simply to proove that staying on the main road is a better idea such a guide would be useless... the Church could never encourage that kind of teaching... instead the Church is the steady guide, just as Jesus is the steady guide, and teaches you to be aware that there is a big wide world around you, and that there is a little tiny narrow path that is difficult to see, and the Church guides you down the path and when you think to look into the wild to make your own way the Church sternly warns you of the dangers that are out there...

the choice is still yours... you could choose to ignore the Churchs good guidance and enter into the woods... but the guide try everything to protect you from making such a mistake, and if you make it the guide will wait for you to return.

the guide will never tell you to explore so that you should believe him.

islam as you are explaining considers itself a religion competing with other religions and so you must explore the other religions so that comparatively islam can be comparatively more true...

i think this kind of thinking is very close to self deception... because you are exploring a confusing world of false promises in a setting of moral relativity to sort out what is comparatively best... why seek God in such a place? God is the antithesis of moral relativeness and falsehood...

Again, all religions say this about themselves, but nevertheless, people should be left to explore the world and achieve their own conviction, but guidance from the Church or mosque or whatever you believe is always a plus.

i think maybe i explained myself better toward the end of my post than the beginning because this is very close to what i have meant... we are Gods children, and children can easily become lost in this big scary world when they wish to explore it... this is why parents hold their hands and show them things themselves...

muchos gracias
Dios te bendiga

and may the force be with you!

my name is annette btw, i think you are new but i have not seen your greetings thread... it is very delightful talking to you.

adios

 

[Dawud_uk]

skywalker

I find it intriguing that you as a Muslim think that this should be done, since as far as I know Muslims are not to try to convert people but only tell them about Islam if asked. I also find it odd because if you convert from Islam it is punishable by death according to Islamic Law, so why would you think it is OK to go around attempting to convert Catholics? Islam is for people that need answers, or at least this is how I see it, as a Catholic I honestly dont need answers, I know what is right and wrong and I know there is a God and I know I worship him.. What is so wrong with a country like SA being Catholic, the middle east is Muslim and no one goes there trying to convert people. I am not trying to be offensive, but I just think if Islamic countries can make it a law that no one can try to convert the Muslims of their countries why should Muslims be allowed to come and try to convert people of other countries, I guess it just seems like a double standard to me

actually christian missionaries get caught and thrown out of the middle east all the time, in some countries they positively encourage them to come as they see it as encouraging a western mindset so is in line with the govt's agenda there.

as for islam, we dont wait to be aasked. we can tell people and this is a duty, the difference is we do not go into the window salesman tactics of bombarding them with info, and if they dont accept fine we walk away it is between them and God.

as for you own statements, well do you truly worship God alone? christians dont. they worship God, and Jesus and the holy Ghost. this is blasphemy to a muslim and is associating a partner and although we respect our rights to differ it is still a wrong belief and we would want to help as many people out of that belief as possible including yourself.

Abu Abdullah

 

[MTAFFI]

as for islam, we dont wait to be aasked. we can tell people and this is a duty, the difference is we do not go into the window salesman tactics of bombarding them with info, and if they dont accept fine we walk away it is between them and God.

I did not know that, thanks for the info

as for you own statements, well do you truly worship God alone? christians dont. they worship God, and Jesus and the holy Ghost. this is blasphemy to a muslim and is associating a partner and although we respect our rights to differ it is still a wrong belief and we would want to help as many people out of that belief as possible including yourself.

Abu Abdullah

I am a Christian and I do only worship one God, this is definitely a discussion for another thread, however I feel compelled to tell you that me as a person, and I am not speaking for all Christians, believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all the same entity. I do not worship Jesus or the Holy Spirit, however I do believe that God works through these two, and therefore I incorporate them into my religion as a sign of respect for them. I would also like to say that I think it is wrong of you to say that it is "a wrong belief" because to you it may be but to me, this is my way of life and there is nothing wrong with it. There are things about the Muslim faith I could say are "wrong" but I wont because really I think all faiths have a certain something that might make them more or less accurate than another.

peace

 

[Dawud_uk]

I did not know that, thanks for the info



I am a Christian and I do only worship one God, this is definitely a discussion for another thread, however I feel compelled to tell you that me as a person, and I am not speaking for all Christians, believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all the same entity. I do not worship Jesus or the Holy Spirit, however I do believe that God works through these two, and therefore I incorporate them into my religion as a sign of respect for them. I would also like to say that I think it is wrong of you to say that it is "a wrong belief" because to you it may be but to me, this is my way of life and there is nothing wrong with it. There are things about the Muslim faith I could say are "wrong" but I wont because really I think all faiths have a certain something that might make them more or less accurate than another.

peace

i did not mean to disrespect you, only that i have a duty to call towards the truth, to speak out and tell you the truth. it is your choice what you do with it.

i would say God works through all beings and all things, God is the ultimate provider and determiner of everything so therefore whatever is done is truly done by the will of God as it couldnt happen without God.

as muslims we love and respect Jesus Christ, peace be upon him as one of the prophets and messengers of God.

the spirit of God as christians say who delivers the message to different prophets is obviously to us likely to be an angel if such accounts are truthful.

do you know that practically every christian i know would call you a disbeliever for what you have said?

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Abu Abdullah

 

[MTAFFI]

do you know that practically every christian i know would call you a disbeliever for what you have said?

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Abu Abdullah

funny you should say that, as it has been said to me before, however I dont really care what anyone thinks as far as my faith goes, usually I will respond to these people with the Apostles Creed which has a line in it that specifically says "I believe in one God the father the almighty, the maker of Heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen". I believe in God and I have read his word, and the way I interpret it may be different from others, but it is what I believe is right.

Not only that, and I know this might spawn some controversy, but I do not really have much faith in religions. I love going to Catholic church because I like the service and the readings and homilies but as far as the "catholic" or "protestant" or "islam" or whatever goes I dont really care. We all believe in God and there is the same basic rules that we should live by, so what difference does it make if you pray in a church or mosque, or in a field for that matter. As long as you believe in God that is all that matters.

 

[Jayda]

hola everyone,

we do not believe in a major god and two minor ones, or three separate equal gods, or that God is one of three individuals with two other partners in a Trinity...

we believe in the One (singular) True God.

Dios te bendiga

 

[MTAFFI]

hola everyone,

we do not believe in a major god and two minor ones, or three separate equal gods, or that God is one of three individuals with two other partners in a Trinity...

we believe in the One (singular) True God.

Dios te bendiga

I do not agree with this, however everyone is entitled to their own ideas. I believe the holy spirit is God talking to man, and i believe the father is another name for God, but I do not believe Jesus was God. I believe Jesus was the son of God and a Prophet who died for our sins, and is now in Heaven with God.

 

[Jayda]

I do not agree with this, however everyone is entitled to their own ideas. I believe the holy spirit is God talking to man, and i believe the father is another name for God, but I do not believe Jesus was God. I believe Jesus was the son of God and a Prophet who died for our sins, and is now in Heaven with God.

hola MTAFFI,

i do not mean to sound mean but if you are not agreeing with the scutum fidei you are not agreeing with the Trinity... which is a very serious problem... have you talked to your priest about the Holy Trinity... ?

Dios te bendiga...