The Americans Have Raped Me Like This! *cwies*

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if someone raped your sister or mother or wife or daughter you would hate them and want them punished would you not?

of course, that is why I said in my post I hope justice is served to those who participated in this despicable act

now what if the whole military unit or large parts of it knew what was happening you would hold them responsible also would you not just like the ones who did it?

it seemed to me from the article that not everyone knew what was going on, since the lady was told not to say anything, however those who did know and participate should be punished accordingly.

now if a whole nation started actions against your nation, that led to the killings, rapes, murders and looting then really they are also the ones to blame and responsible is what is being said here by the non muslims and to a limited extent the muslims also.

Abu Abdullah

this is where I believe you are wrong. No nation started anything with the Iraqi people, only the Iraqi government. If you remember the people of Iraq at the beginning of this war were welcoming the US troops and thanking them for ending Saddams reign of terror. The problems in Iraq are not US problems they are sectarian issues. More Muslims kill other Muslims that US troops in Iraq everyday. More Muslims in Iraq rape, kill, murder and loot in Iraq than the US everyday. This is a fact, I would say to a limited extent you hear of these soldiers raping Iraqis, it isnt like the US troops are there to loot murder or rape anyone. The majority of the troops truly do want to see order restored to Iraq so they can leave, and the majority of them have good intentions for Iraq. So to answer your question, no I would not hold a whole nation responsible for the actions of a few sick individuals
 
then fix your own broke nation first before telling us what to do with ours.

i mean, 1 in 4 women in the west suffers a rape attack in her lifetime and they still go around lecturing others.

they call other states terrorism states and narko states and the the biggest supplier of terror weapons is the US and UK, the biggest suppliers of the biggest drugs on the planet are US and UK. hypocrisy and double standards.

Abu Abdullah

where do you get your information, I do not believe that 1 in 4 women are raped in the US, that is a bold statement, last year 89,000 were raped, and since there are 300,000,000 US I dont think that would work out to 1 in 4

here are 2 articles for a little clarity on this
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/18/report-finds-steady-but-i_n_23284.html

also the US is the biggest user of drugs not a supplier, that would be colombia for cocaine and afganistan and some other mid eastern countries for opium, marijuana from mexico, and so on and so on.

As far as your supplier of arms, that would definitely not be the US, probably should look to Iran, Syria and that wonderful group of flawless nations.

the hypocrisy and double standards are to commonly shouted out on this site with any solid reason for it
 
where do you get your information, I do not believe that 1 in 4 women are raped in the US, that is a bold statement, last year 89,000 were raped, and since there are 300,000,000 US I dont think that would work out to 1 in 4

here are 2 articles for a little clarity on this
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/18/report-finds-steady-but-i_n_23284.html

also the US is the biggest user of drugs not a supplier, that would be colombia for cocaine and afganistan and some other mid eastern countries for opium, marijuana from mexico, and so on and so on.

As far as your supplier of arms, that would definitely not be the US, probably should look to Iran, Syria and that wonderful group of flawless nations.

the hypocrisy and double standards are to commonly shouted out on this site with any solid reason for it

the rape statistics come from the uk not the US, but i understand from reading articles on women's issues that the situation there is far worse.

the problem is you are qouting only official figures, most rapes are not reported so that the figure of 1 in 4 will suffer such an attack in their lifetime.

now when i mentioned drugs... you jump straight into the obvious mental trap. it isnt your fault it is just how you are conditioned.

but what are the biggest drugs in the world? is it opium? crack?
no it is alcohol and tobacco and so therefore the biggest suppliers are from the west not the east.

Abu Abdullah
 
the rape statistics come from the uk not the US, but i understand from reading articles on women's issues that the situation there is far worse.

the problem is you are qouting only official figures, most rapes are not reported so that the figure of 1 in 4 will suffer such an attack in their lifetime.

now when i mentioned drugs... you jump straight into the obvious mental trap. it isnt your fault it is just how you are conditioned.

but what are the biggest drugs in the world? is it opium? crack?
no it is alcohol and tobacco and so therefore the biggest suppliers are from the west not the east.

Abu Abdullah

You still dont show where you get the 1 in 4 statistic.. I mean that is 1 quarter of the women and that just is not accurate, unless you can prove otherwise. As far as alcohol and cigarettes go, they are legal almost everywhere, so what does it matter if the west supplies them? Islam may not agree with drinking but that doesnt make it a bad thing for everyone else. So I guess my question to you on this is what does it matter if the west is the largest supplier of cigarettes and alcohol?
 
You still dont show where you get the 1 in 4 statistic.. I mean that is 1 quarter of the women and that just is not accurate, unless you can prove otherwise. As far as alcohol and cigarettes go, they are legal almost everywhere, so what does it matter if the west supplies them? Islam may not agree with drinking but that doesnt make it a bad thing for everyone else. So I guess my question to you on this is what does it matter if the west is the largest supplier of cigarettes and alcohol?

i will insha'allah (God willing) find the article for you re 1 in 4,

but of-course it matters about alcohol and tobacco, and doesnt matter that such are illegal. they are still drugs and very dangerous ones at that.

so in reality the west has made its own drugs of choice legal and the rest are illegal (look at the pressure being applied to colombia over coke even in its natural state) and then supplied those drugs to the rest of the world.

whether they are illegal or not the west is still the biggest drugs supplier, drugs that have a massive social and health effect, so this is double standards of the west to lecture afghanistan for example on heroin production (which i dont agree with) when held in comparison to their own legal drug production.

Abu Abdullah
 
i will insha'allah (God willing) find the article for you re 1 in 4,

but of-course it matters about alcohol and tobacco, and doesnt matter that such are illegal. they are still drugs and very dangerous ones at that.

so in reality the west has made its own drugs of choice legal and the rest are illegal (look at the pressure being applied to colombia over coke even in its natural state) and then supplied those drugs to the rest of the world.

whether they are illegal or not the west is still the biggest drugs supplier, drugs that have a massive social and health effect, so this is double standards of the west to lecture afghanistan for example on heroin production (which i dont agree with) when held in comparison to their own legal drug production.

Abu Abdullah

every country has its own right to make whatever drugs they like legal, look at amsterdam, now that is a crazy place! The US doesnt make everyone else accept cigarettes and alcohol, other countries do for whatever their own reasons may be, the us supplies them with these drugs at their request, whereas afghanistan and columbia traffic theirs illegally. I agree drinking and smoking are health hazards, and shouldnt be any more legal than any other drug, however they are and that is what makes it OK to supply them.
 
that is a strange morality, that you dont accept any absolutes on what is or is not morally right, but only on what is legal in that land. i would take the opposite viewpoint myself when it comes to drugs.

Abu Abdullah
 
that is a strange morality, that you dont accept any absolutes on what is or is not morally right, but only on what is legal in that land. i would take the opposite viewpoint myself when it comes to drugs.

Abu Abdullah

It is probably because I am not 100% against drugs, I have used them myself from time to time. I drink occasionally, I have smoked a cigarette before, and I smoke marijuana occasionally to ease my mind. I dont believe that drugs are bad, I think that they are just like anything, use them with caution and in moderation and there is nothing wrong with it. Jesus drank wine and I am not sure if Prophets in Islam drank wine, but I do know that man has drank since it was first produced, so anyways I dont think drinking is immoral or something that God will hold against me. Cigarettes are a plague, it has been said that they are more addicting than crack cocaine and for whatever reason they are still available to the public with no restriction, marijuana should be legal before cigarettes.(by the way is it OK to smoke marijuana in Islam? Just curious)

as far as me not taking any absolutes that is because the law of the land is all that matters. You can make all drugs legal, but it is still the person using the drugs choice. If cocaine were legal in the US I still wouldnt use it, so see it isnt me not taking absolutes I am just stating what it is in the real world.
 
Listen to this frightening story: I have redacted names to protect the victim. This apparently comes from Northern Europe. The language is a bit stilted, I think because of the translation to English. There are many parallels to the first story in this thread, but, happily, the outcome was better for the poor girl.

*************************************************


_____'s Visit to a kuffar Doctor

____ is sick. For several days she has had a light fever and a headache. But ____ did not want to go to the doctor.

"Why go to the doctor for such a trifle?" she said again and again when her mother suggested it. Finally her mother insisted.

"March! Go to Dr. _________ and let him examine you!" her mother ordered.

"Why Dr. _________? He is a kuffar! And no real muslim girl goes to a kuffar," ____ replied.

Her mother laughed.

"Don't talk nonsense! kuffar doctors are all right. They are always chattering nonsense about it at your _______ meetings. What do those girls know about it?"

____ protested.

"Mother, you can say what you want, but you can't slander the ___. You should know that we muslim girls understand the kuffar question better than many of our parents. Our leader gives a short talk about the kuffar nearly every week. Just recently she said: 'A muslim girl may not go to a kuffar doctor! Particularly not a muslim girl ! Because the kuffar want to destroy the muslim people. Many girls who went to a kuffar doctor for healing found instead sickness and shame!' That's what our leader said, Mother. And she's right!"

Her mother grew impatient.

"You always think you know more than the grown-ups. What you said just isn't true. Look, Inge. I know Dr. _______ well. He is a fine doctor."

"But he is a kuffar! And the kuffar are our deadly enemies," ____ replied.

Now her mother became really angry.

"That's enough, you naughty child! Go to Dr. ________ right now! If you don't, I'll teach you how to obey me!"

Her mother screamed and raised her hand.

____ did not want to be disobedient, so she went. Went to the kuffar doctor ______!

____ sits in the waiting room of the kuffar doctor. She had to wait a long time. She leafs through the magazines that are on the table. But she is much too nervous to be able to read more than a few sentences. Again and again she thinks back on the conversation with her mother. And again and again she recalls the warning of her _____: "A muslim may not go to a kuffar doctor! Particularly a muslim girl! Many girls who went to a kuffar doctor for healing found instead sickness and shame!"

As ____ entered the waiting room, she had had a strange experience. From the examination room of the doctor came crying. She heard the voice of a girl:

"Doctor! Doctor! Leave me alone!"

Then she heard the scornful laugh of a man. Then all was suddenly silent. Breathlessly Inge had listened.

"What does all that mean?" she asked herself, and her heart beat faster. Once again she thought of the warnings of her ______.

____ has been waiting for an hour. Again she picks up the magazines and tries to read. Then the door opens. Inge looks up. The kuffar appears. A cry comes from ____ mouth. In terror she lets the newspaper drop. Terrified, she jumps up. Her eyes stare in the face of the kuffar doctor. And this face is the face of the Devil. In the middle of this devilish face sits an enormous crooked nose. Behind the glasses glare two criminal eyes. And a grin runs across the protruding lips. A grin that wants to say: "Now I have you at last, little muslim girl!"

The kuffar comes toward her. His fat fingers grasp for her. But now ____ has recovered. Before the kuffar can grab her she hits the fat face of the kuffar-doctor. Then a leap to the door. Breathlessly ____ runs down the steps. Breathlessly she dashes out of the kuffar-house.

In tears she returns home. Her mother is shocked to see her child.

"For God's sake, ____! What happened?"

It is a long time before the child can say anything. Finally ____ tells about her experience with the kuffar-doctor. Her mother listens in horror. And when ____ finishes her story, her mother lowers her head in shame.

"____, I shouldn't have sent you to a kuffar doctor. When you left I regretted it. I couldn't relax. I wanted to call you back. I suspected suddenly that you were right. I suspected that something would happen to you. But everything came out all right, Praise be to Alla(PBUH)!"

Her mother moans, and tries to conceal her tears.

Gradually ____ calms down. She laughs again. "Mother, you've done a lot for me. Thank you. But you have to promise me something: about the ___ . . . "

Her mother doesn't let her finish.

"I know what you want to say, ____. I promise. I'm finding that one can learn even from you children."

___ nods.
 
Peace,

How many people in this story? 2?

.....

It also doesn't always end like that! unfortunately,

bye tc
 
Listen to this frightening story: I have redacted names to protect the victim. This apparently comes from Northern Europe. The language is a bit stilted, I think because of the translation to English. There are many parallels to the first story in this thread, but, happily, the outcome was better for the poor girl.

*************************************************


_____'s Visit to a kuffar Doctor

____ is sick. For several days she has had a light fever and a headache. But ____ did not want to go to the doctor.

"Why go to the doctor for such a trifle?" she said again and again when her mother suggested it. Finally her mother insisted.

"March! Go to Dr. _________ and let him examine you!" her mother ordered.

"Why Dr. _________? He is a kuffar! And no real muslim girl goes to a kuffar," ____ replied.

Her mother laughed.

"Don't talk nonsense! kuffar doctors are all right. They are always chattering nonsense about it at your _______ meetings. What do those girls know about it?"

____ protested.

"Mother, you can say what you want, but you can't slander the ___. You should know that we muslim girls understand the kuffar question better than many of our parents. Our leader gives a short talk about the kuffar nearly every week. Just recently she said: 'A muslim girl may not go to a kuffar doctor! Particularly not a muslim girl ! Because the kuffar want to destroy the muslim people. Many girls who went to a kuffar doctor for healing found instead sickness and shame!' That's what our leader said, Mother. And she's right!"

Her mother grew impatient.

"You always think you know more than the grown-ups. What you said just isn't true. Look, Inge. I know Dr. _______ well. He is a fine doctor."

"But he is a kuffar! And the kuffar are our deadly enemies," ____ replied.

Now her mother became really angry.

"That's enough, you naughty child! Go to Dr. ________ right now! If you don't, I'll teach you how to obey me!"

Her mother screamed and raised her hand.

____ did not want to be disobedient, so she went. Went to the kuffar doctor ______!

____ sits in the waiting room of the kuffar doctor. She had to wait a long time. She leafs through the magazines that are on the table. But she is much too nervous to be able to read more than a few sentences. Again and again she thinks back on the conversation with her mother. And again and again she recalls the warning of her _____: "A muslim may not go to a kuffar doctor! Particularly a muslim girl! Many girls who went to a kuffar doctor for healing found instead sickness and shame!"

As ____ entered the waiting room, she had had a strange experience. From the examination room of the doctor came crying. She heard the voice of a girl:

"Doctor! Doctor! Leave me alone!"

Then she heard the scornful laugh of a man. Then all was suddenly silent. Breathlessly Inge had listened.

"What does all that mean?" she asked herself, and her heart beat faster. Once again she thought of the warnings of her ______.

____ has been waiting for an hour. Again she picks up the magazines and tries to read. Then the door opens. Inge looks up. The kuffar appears. A cry comes from ____ mouth. In terror she lets the newspaper drop. Terrified, she jumps up. Her eyes stare in the face of the kuffar doctor. And this face is the face of the Devil. In the middle of this devilish face sits an enormous crooked nose. Behind the glasses glare two criminal eyes. And a grin runs across the protruding lips. A grin that wants to say: "Now I have you at last, little muslim girl!"

The kuffar comes toward her. His fat fingers grasp for her. But now ____ has recovered. Before the kuffar can grab her she hits the fat face of the kuffar-doctor. Then a leap to the door. Breathlessly ____ runs down the steps. Breathlessly she dashes out of the kuffar-house.

In tears she returns home. Her mother is shocked to see her child.

"For God's sake, ____! What happened?"

It is a long time before the child can say anything. Finally ____ tells about her experience with the kuffar-doctor. Her mother listens in horror. And when ____ finishes her story, her mother lowers her head in shame.

"____, I shouldn't have sent you to a kuffar doctor. When you left I regretted it. I couldn't relax. I wanted to call you back. I suspected suddenly that you were right. I suspected that something would happen to you. But everything came out all right, Praise be to Alla(PBUH)!"

Her mother moans, and tries to conceal her tears.

Gradually ____ calms down. She laughs again. "Mother, you've done a lot for me. Thank you. But you have to promise me something: about the ___ . . . "

Her mother doesn't let her finish.

"I know what you want to say, ____. I promise. I'm finding that one can learn even from you children."

___ nods.

THIS IS PURE GARBAGE AND SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN BY THE MODERATOR'S. THIS IS NOTHING BUT PROPOGANDA AND FRANKLY VERY INSULTING TO THE "KUFFAR" AS THIS ARTICLE CALLS IT.
 
Peace,

the above may be removed (if poster dont mind), it doesn't bother me,

to tell the truth, it didn't prove nothing, and i didn't find it realistic, it was slightly confusing!

Don't take offence ppl, just ignore it :D
 
THIS IS PURE GARBAGE AND SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN BY THE MODERATOR'S. THIS IS NOTHING BUT PROPOGANDA AND FRANKLY VERY INSULTING TO THE "KUFFAR" AS THIS ARTICLE CALLS IT.

Indeed it is. Utter garbage. The lowest form. That is my point about propaganda. One has to be on guard. If one repeats a story enough times, it begins to take on credibility among those predisposed to believe it. Note the same types of manipulation contained in the original story. It is a time-tested technique.

In fact, it dates to 1936, pre-war Germany. You can doutless deduce the rest.
 
Indeed it is. Utter garbage. The lowest form. That is my point about propaganda. One has to be on guard. If one repeats a story enough times, it begins to take on credibility among those predisposed to believe it. Note the same types of manipulation contained in the original story. It is a time-tested technique.

In fact, it dates to 1936, pre-war Germany. You can doutless deduce the rest.

Your story was nothing compared to the real life on my thread :rant: :offended:
 
If you know it is fake then why post it as if it is real?? I don't get it. I don't think this fire needs any more fuel on it thanks.
 
^^ He thinks making up his own story would show that mine was fake? :confused:

what you think about his made up story @ Tomtomsmom

:offended:
 
I think it is uncalled for. To make up things like this while others are discussing serious REAL problems is only going to put more anger into the discussion. I am not sure why it was posted, perhaps that is what is behind it. This is a very sensitive subject on all sides and for someone to make up a story like that makes me angry. Sorry if I upset anyone but you asked and that is how I feel.
 
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