The Americans Have Raped Me Like This! *cwies*

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tomtomsmom said:
I think it is uncalled for. To make up things like this while others are discussing serious REAL problems is only going to put more anger into the discussion. I am not sure why it was posted, perhaps that is what is behind it. This is a very sensitive subject on all sides and for someone to make up a story like that makes me angry. Sorry if I upset anyone but you asked and that is how I feel.
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His point for posting that story is exactly what you are criticizing him for. A story without any backing documentation or evidence can be repeated enough times that people who wish to believe it will believe it.
 
tomtomsmom said:
If you know it is fake then why post it as if it is real?? I don't get it. I don't think this fire needs any more fuel on it thanks.
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I didn't "make it up". It is a nearly verbatim transcript of a racist screed from 1936 Germany that was used to fire up those predisposed to hate those who were unlike them.

Substitute "kuffar" for xxxx...etc etc

It struck me that the original story, which was completely unattributed, had worrisome parallels. I don't mean to add fuel, instead I was trying to add some ater to the fire, in a provocative way, of course.

If such a thing as described in the original story did happen to a real person, it is, indeed vile, but caution is warranted in accepting such stories given the ovious emotional impact they have on readers.
 
I can actually see his point behind it, however since the story posted is obviously fake it doesnt make the stand the poster what trying to make. I think what he is saying is not to believe everything you read, and who knows the original post may not be a true story, and the Lord knows I hope it isnt, but if it is and not knowing that it isnt I still feel compelled to give my sympathies.
 
I realize that things that get repeated over and over again stick around and seem to become true. Maybe next time it could be handled differently. Instead of posting it and waiting to see the tempers flare and the fights start and then explain yourself you should explain your intent from the begining.

As for saying things that aren't true over and over and then they become trusted lets ALL SAY TOGETHER.......... Bush isn't really the president! Bush isn't really the president! Bush isn't really the president! :p
 
tomtomsmom said:
As for saying things that aren't true over and over and then they become trusted lets ALL SAY TOGETHER.......... Bush isn't really the president! Bush isn't really the president! Bush isn't really the president! :p
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lol:happy:
 
tomtomsmom said:
I realize that things that get repeated over and over again stick around and seem to become true. Maybe next time it could be handled differently. Instead of posting it and waiting to see the tempers flare and the fights start and then explain yourself you should explain your intent from the begining.

As for saying things that aren't true over and over and then they become trusted lets ALL SAY TOGETHER.......... Bush isn't really the president! Bush isn't really the president! Bush isn't really the president! :p
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Let us presume, for the sake of discussion, that the original story was cooked up by some propagandist, then repeated, via the internet by those with a hatred toward Americans and other "non-believers" because their world view permitted them to believe the story without proof.

Wouldn't that be inflammatory? How would that further better understanding between the peoples of the Earth?
 
I don't hate Americans or non-believers-Thank you very much!

:offended:

imsad I just want you to open your eyes and realise, there are many people suffering out there,

I just want everyone to pray for them :)

Peace!
 
Cognescenti said:
Let us presume, for the sake of discussion, that the original story was cooked up by some propagandist, then repeated, via the internet by those with a hatred toward Americans and other "non-believers" because their world view permitted them to believe the story without proof.

Wouldn't that be inflammatory? How would that further better understanding between the peoples of the Earth?
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It wouldn't. That is why it shouldn't be repeated if it is not true. And if you can't provide any type of proof that it is real then you shouldn't post it either. If you are taking a story from the 1930's and changing it to scare people today then sorry to offend but that is wrong. It is easy to point fingers and say you are right or you are wrong. That isn't what this thread is supposed to be about so why don't we just agree to disagree and stop hijacking this tread for nonsense ok?
 
tomtomsmom said:
It wouldn't. That is why it shouldn't be repeated if it is not true. And if you can't provide any type of proof that it is real then you shouldn't post it either. If you are taking a story from the 1930's and changing it to scare people today then sorry to offend but that is wrong. It is easy to point fingers and say you are right or you are wrong. That isn't what this thread is supposed to be about so why don't we just agree to disagree and stop hijacking this tread for nonsense ok?
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Where is the "evidence" for the rape story? Besides a narrative from unknown sources?
 
tomtomsmom said:
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As for saying things that aren't true over and over and then they become trusted lets ALL SAY TOGETHER.......... Bush isn't really the president! Bush isn't really the president! Bush isn't really the president! :p
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BTW....that won't work. If you know the propaganda is propaganda then it isn't propaganda any more :happy: You will just have to wait for McCain or Giuliani to be elected in 2008 :happy:
 
tasmiyah_B said:
I don't hate Americans or non-believers-Thank you very much!

:offended:

imsad I just want you to open your eyes and realise, there are many people suffering out there,

I just want everyone to pray for them :)

Peace!
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Thank you, it really hurts when people say they hate all americans because of what our government and alot of retarded slodiers have done. I do not agree with any of it and it is very nice to know that there are people out there that realize the difference. My eyes are open and I see the hate that has come from the actions of my goverment and it makes me so mad I want to scream at the stupid politicans and poke them in the eye with a dull pencil!!!!!:rant: :rant: :rant:
 
tomtomsmom said:
Thank you, it really hurts when people say they hate all americans because of what our government and alot of retarded slodiers have done. I do not agree with any of it and it is very nice to know that there are people out there that realize the difference. My eyes are open and I see the hate that has come from the actions of my goverment and it makes me so mad I want to scream at the stupid politicans and poke them in the eye with a dull pencil!!!!!:rant: :rant: :rant:
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Your a very nice person, i want to do worse.

But at the moment there isn't much i can do, to make a huge difference,

imsad

Some people just don't get it, do they!
 
Cognescenti said:
BTW....that won't work. If you know the propaganda is propaganda then it isn't propaganda any more :happy: You will just have to wait for McCain or Giuliani to be elected in 2008 :happy:
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McCain......Giuliani..............OHHHHH NOOOO SAY IT AINT SOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If another republican gets in office I am MOVING!!!!!!!
 
tasmiyah_B said:
Your a very nice person, i want to do worse.

But at the moment there isn't much i can do, to make a huge difference,

imsad

Some people just don't get it, do they!
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No they don't get it. I wish more people did. Ya know I actually got turned down for a nanny job because my husband is from Jordan and is a muslim!!!!!!! Stupid people really get my blood boiling:mad: :mad:
 
tomtomsmom said:
It wouldn't. That is why it shouldn't be repeated if it is not true. And if you can't provide any type of proof that it is real then you shouldn't post it either. If you are taking a story from the 1930's and changing it to scare people today then sorry to offend but that is wrong. It is easy to point fingers and say you are right or you are wrong. That isn't what this thread is supposed to be about so why don't we just agree to disagree and stop hijacking this tread for nonsense ok?
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With all due respect, questioning the veracity of the story which is the central thesis of the thread is not a thread hijack. Nor do I think the use of irony or satire is "nonsense". It is an established method to elucidate one's point.

If the "purpose" of the thread is to express sympathy for the alleged victim, even if there is no victim, would you agree that would be "nonsense".
 
Cognescenti said:
With all due respect, questioning the veracity of the story which is the central thesis of the thread is not a thread hijack. Nor do I think the use of irony or satire is "nonsense". It is an established method to elucidate one's point.

If the "purpose" of the thread is to express sympathy for the alleged victim, even if there is no victim, would you agree that would be "nonsense".
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Even if there is no victim in this particlar case I think we can all agree that there are many victims like this all over the world that deserve our symapthy and prayers. I have no intent to argue with you. My posting on this matter is over.
 
tasmiyah_B said:
I don't hate Americans or non-believers-Thank you very much!

:offended:

imsad I just want you to open your eyes and realise, there are many people suffering out there,

I just want everyone to pray for them :)

Peace!
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I am glad to hear you don't hate Americans...and, yes, there are people suffering, as there were when Hussein was in power. They were pushed off of buildings or gassed or gunned down in dusty shallow graves by the hundreds. That was different, of course :cry:

In fact, there has always been human suffering. It existed before the Jamestown Colony or the American Revolution. It existed even before George Bush was elected.

I too would like to see suffering end and I will join you in that prayer, but I think that fanning the flames of hatred, whether it is intended or not, is not going to help the matter.
 
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