Did you read Holy Quran ? How it is different from ur holy Book ?

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

that story might be made up in your opinion, but certainly not mine. refer to john 8:3-15

---it’s not my opinion….Christian scholar informed us that . Read the answer of Sis glo …..she is a Christian.

Sis glo: You are right. The story of Jesus and the adulteress is not included in all Bible versions, and where it is included, it ususally comes with a comment that 'the earliest manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not contain it'

when you speak of acts, are you talking about the acts of loving, the sexual act, or both?

---acts mean what we do .God blessed us with holy Prophets (pbut ) & the holy books with Do’s & Dont’s. There is a guide line for us in the holy book & in the lives of the blessed Prophets (p) what we can do & what we can not.


As gayism is prohibited in holy books & no Prophet was gay , no one should find any excuses to be a gay ….does not matter if he gets support from the whole world. On the Last Day , no one will be able to save him from God’s anger.

what if i, as a gay guy, have a boyfriend? would i be punished by death for that, even if we didn't have sex?

---Of course not. Who told u so ? At least , in Islam we are allowed to make friendship ( not physical relationship ) with same sex only……girlfriend /boyfriend concept that leads people to enjoy close physical intimacy without marriage is prohibited.


So , if u don’t do any immoral act ( not approved by God ) with ur boyfriend , then it’s ok if u have a boyfriend ; but not to be tempted by devil , it’s better for u to keep away from someone who supports gay life.

this is not true……both are on record discussing the pericope adulterae in their sermons.

---do all scholars agree with u that it’s a true story ?

the purpose of the pericope adulterae is that only God can punish sins, not men,

---- so if anybody enters my house , kill my family members , rape my sis , I will leave the matter to God only & won’t do anything to punish the killer & rapist ?

There are so many punishment prescribed in Bible …..all are banned now ? If really only God can punish sins , they why Christians believe in ' Just war ' ? Why not leave the matter for God ?

If its something your feeling but u keep it to yourself and not go on with it or act upon it, then its something which could be forgiven.

--well sis , in Islam if we decide to do some bad things but don’t do it , then it’s not considered as a sin . So, to be forgiven , we have to commit sin first but here , no sin at all



If we decide to do some good but somehow can’t make it , still for our good intention , we will be rewarded :happy: ……...............God is really so kind ….................Alhamdulillha ( praise be to God only )

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Yes I know sis . Thank you :statisfie

 

[Muslim Woman]

...... it is "Interpretation of the Meaning of The Glorious Qur'an" translated by proffesor Syed Vickar Ahamed... it has footnotes to explain things that are still kinda hard to understand....

Salaam/peace;


Normally footnotes are given to make the verse more clearer ; do u remeber which verses/explanations u found hard to understand ?

 

[thirdwatch512]

ok so why are some muslims sooo homophobic? like in U.K. mosques they preach how they want to kill homosexuals, and they have found books on how to secretly kill a homosexual without getting caught. is this islamic? do most muslims support this?

 

[Jayda]

Salaam/peace;

---it’s not my opinion….Christian scholar informed us that . Read the answer of Sis glo …..she is a Christian.

Sis glo: You are right. The story of Jesus and the adulteress is not included in all Bible versions, and where it is included, it ususally comes with a comment that 'the earliest manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not contain it'

hola Muslim Woman,

i am Catholic... there is only one bible, the Vulgate. and there is one authority, the Church... christian can encompass protestants and their bibles and scholars, all of which are completely outside my religion unless they say things that are in line with official Church teaching... otherwise their opinions are as binding to me as hindus.

the parable is in the vulgate, which is the first and only complete bible, it is included for the reasons i mentioned, it was always known and has always been accepted as historic and of apostolic origin... so it is canon. the earliest manuscripts (and you are talking exclusively of vaticanus and sinaiticus because it is in others), are manuscripts of a select group of folios, they are not complete gospels and certainly not bibles, they do not include the full gospels, nor the letters from the apostles so they are not complete new testaments, they do not include the Old Testament so they are not "bibles," they are just early attempts to codex the gospels.

ancient witness do refer to the pericope adulterae, many early Church Fathers refer to it directly in their sermons and their sermons demonstrate the listeners are already familiar with it. some of the earliest bishops as far off as egypt refer to it in their sermons in the second century. Papias is such an example

what you must understand is that the sacred scriptures of this time were not in one book, until the 5th century. the sacred scriptures were found in the comletely separate sources of the compiled tanakh, codices, folios, didache and what still remained in the oral tradition, they were libraries of material. St Jerome is the only person to have put this all into a single book called "the sacred scriptures" plural, which we shortened to "Bible" meaning books.

---do all scholars agree with u that it’s a true story ?

yes all catholic and orthodox scholars agree. protestants i do not know... their ideas are as disperse as the stars... i do not consider anything their scholars say that is not in line with the Holy Church to be "true," nor would any Catholic that adheres to Rome or any Orthodox that adheres to their Patriarch. there is no question of the parables canonicity.

Dios te bendiga

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

ok so why are some muslims sooo homophobic? like in U.K. mosques they preach how they want to kill homosexuals, and they have found books on how to secretly kill a homosexual without getting caught. is this islamic? do most muslims support this?

which mosque is that? u sure they do it? how do u know? no its not correct...

 

[thirdwatch512]

which mosque is that? u sure they do it? how do u know? no its not correct...

they had a video on it on channel 4 in the UK. it was a mosque that starts with a D.. very popular one. and they were talking about killing homosexuals THREE times, and whoa i was scared and won't ever go to the U.K. with that attitude those people had lol

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

i hope its fake :X

 

[thirdwatch512]

i wish it was, but it wasn't. and then all of the muslims at the mosque (there were thousands, it's one of the biggest ones in the U.K.) started chanting allah u akbar or whatever once they said to kill homosexuals.

 

[Jayda]

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[Jayda]

oh dear, i am very sorry tayyaba, i thought you meant the parable of the adulterous woman! i did not see the video you are talking about, please forgive me! i feel so foolish

i hope it is fake too... this is an awful thing i think it reinforces the kind of stereotypes that make people hate muslims... user England talks about these things often and they are always false.

Dios te bendiga

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

LOL i was gunna say what ru talking about, i jus saw ur post and edited mine. its ok sis

 

[Skillganon]

they had a video on it on channel 4 in the UK. it was a mosque that starts with a D.. very popular one. and they were talking about killing homosexuals THREE times, and whoa i was scared and won't ever go to the U.K. with that attitude those people had lol

You can read about it in these threads:

1.http://www.islamicboard.com/general...s-undercover-mosque.html?highlight=dispatches

2. http://www.islamicboard.com/general...over-mosques-replys.html?highlight=dispatches

 

[Muslim Woman]

ok so why are some muslims sooo homophobic? like in U.K. mosques they preach how they want to kill homosexuals, and they have found books on how to secretly kill a homosexual without getting caught. is this islamic? do most muslims support this?

Salaam/peace;


homosexuality is a major sin. If they don't repent & refuse to come back to the right path ordained by God & if the matter is taken to a court , then i guess , yes , judge has right to give him a death penalty.

But the accused person should be given all opportunities to repent & come back. To my knowledge , no Imam has any right to tell othres to kill a gay secretly & without enough proof. As i said , he will get chances to repent....if murder suddenly , then there is no chance for him to come back.

death penalty sounds a harsh punishment but if u compare this punihment with the life hereafter ( the eternal hell fire ) , then it's nothing . Anyway , i m not scholar , i will try to give u some Fatwa Insha Allah ( God Willing ) later.


Try to fear God.....avoid punishment in this world won't help u in the hereafter..pl. try to understand this simple thing.

May God help us all to follow His commands....Ameen.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Ameen.

 

[thirdwatch512]

i don't fear God, i love god and have a relationship with Him! we shouldn't be scared of God!! he loves us lol. we should be scared if we do follow against Him, then yes. but yeah..

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Fearing Him is loving Him. Don't you fear hurting someone you care about by disobeying them? Fear doesnt mean u cant love Him. When you fear G-d, it only shows you love Him immensely.

 

[chris4336]

Thirdwatch512 - There are some really good explanations about the "Death penalty for homosexuality" ruling on this board (maybe one of the mods can find it cause I can't - I think it was by Ansar?) It spoke about how the ruling can only be made in an Islamic state, and only if the behavior is made public and will be corrupting society (I hope I'm right, but I am not 100% sure). It certainly does not involve secretly killing homosexuals in the UK.

Anyway, back to topic, I too have struggled to read the Quran but I got through it all and now I'm reading it more slowly. I read somewhere that when you are reading it, it answers your questions as they come up, which I found to be completely true. Like you are reading and thinking something like "How could this possibly be true" and the next line is "And they ask how can this possibly be true." I don't know if I'm making much sense, but I found that to be a pretty amazing quality.

I have also really really enjoyed reading a biography of the Prophet.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^I think your right sis. They cant do it publically. Only in the vicinity of their homes I think. Dont take my word for it tho

 

[Muslim Woman]

...... I read somewhere that when you are reading it, it answers your questions as they come up, which I found to be completely true. Like you are reading and thinking something like "How could this possibly be true" and the next line is "And they ask how can this possibly be true." I don't know if I'm making much sense, but I found that to be a pretty amazing quality.

I have also really really enjoyed reading a biography of the Prophet.

Salaam/peace;

wooooow sis , u r a Muslim now ? Alhamdulillah.

let me congrates u & welcome to Islam ....i m s-o-o--ooooo happy

did u write ur revert story ? if not , will u pl?

thanks for sharing ur feeling while reading Quran. what's the name of the book (biography of the Prophet ) u enjoyed ?

.... It spoke about how the ruling can only be made in an Islamic state, ....

yap, this point came in to mind later ; at that time compu became so slow that i could not mention it....thanks .

I think , even in a Muslim majority country if Shariah law is not present , then this ruling may not be applicable....not 100 % sure though. I will Insha Allah check later.