The Americans Have Raped Me Like This! *cwies*

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There have been documented cases of battle stress having adverse effects on domestic life when the soldier returns home. That isn't new to this conflict. Some people just can't cope, and sometimes that leads to horrible crimes.
 
Tayyaba said:
Didnt u or someone quote "guardian" in another thread. Wow, too many confusions...make up ur mind guys....sigh. Like 10 diff sites and all accusations...whatever u say mate.
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Linking to a daisy chain of incestuous websites which parrot each other does not constitute proof. I can point you to a dozen websites which claim that Jews or the American military or the State of Israel planned or <insert name of hated conspiratorial entitiy here> the 9-11 attacks. Surely, no creature capable of forming a rational thought would believe such obvious rubbish....would they? You have seen what happens when genuine wrongdoing is discovered in the US. Presidents are forced to resign (Nixon), wrongdoers are prosecuted (Lt Calley at My Lai), officers are fired (general at Abu Ghraib for eg.). Does it not at least give you pause there is no furhter confirmation of this? You have your world view. If a story confirms to yur worldview, it appears you accept it unquestioningly, because you want it to be true.

BTW in the case of The Guardian...I do find it to be a very good newspaper...the paper i sof the highest quality and is, therefore, is quite absorbant and is good to line a birdcage with.
 
Cognescenti said:
Linking to a daisy chain of incestuous websites which parrot each other does not constitute proof. I can point you to a dozen websites which claim that Jews or the American military or the State of Israel planned or <insert name of hated conspiratorial entitiy here> the 9-11 attacks. Surely, no creature capable of forming a rational thought would believe such obvious rubbish....would they? You have seen what happens when genuine wrongdoing is discovered in the US. Presidents are forced to resign (Nixon), wrongdoers are prosecuted (Lt Calley at My Lai), officers are fired (general at Abu Ghraib for eg.). Does it not at least give you pause there is no furhter confirmation of this? You have your world view. If a story confirms to yur worldview, it appears you accept it unquestioningly, because you want it to be true.

BTW in the case of The Guardian...I do find it to be a very good newspaper...the paper i sof the highest quality and is, therefore, is quite absorbant and is good to line a birdcage with.
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lol...that was a good one about The Guardian newspaper. Reps for having a good sense of humor.
 
lol good sense of humor for havin nuthing to do with my post. Dont take my simple post out of proportion.
 
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tomtomsmom said:
So is MSNBC a credible news source???http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13780108/
Granted this isn't the same story but it does help to believe that this story could be credible.
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This is the Mahmoudiya case which is already a topic in another thread. One soldier is already convicted in this case.

Look, the point is not that members of the US military never do anything wrong. That would be a ludicrous assertion. They do, rarely, and when discoverd, they are punished severely. They should be punished. They harm US credibility, particularly among those inclined to be distrustful of US intentions.

The point is..the story at the start of this thread has cynnical emotional appeal written all over it...it smells like propaganda to me. Where is the claimant? Why isn't the US media all over the story? They are all over any story when they smell blood. Many people on this board, perhaps, don't understand how an independant media works in an open, pluralistic democracy. A healthy dose of skepticism is in order here, no matter how much the story tugs at your heartstrings, you still have to pull back and ask....wait a minute..am I being manipulated here?

Note, for eg., a favorite of Al Quaeda in Iraq was to demand the release of "female prisoners" after abducting some westerner and threatening to saw his head off. Yet, these are the same chaps who blow up marketplaces full of women and children and, for that matter, innocent men. Clearly, they have no real concern about women. It is all about the manipulation of public sentiment. Note the disquieting connection to this story (female prsioner). This has the same emotional appeal as the Nazi propaganda I posted from the 1930's....more sophisticated, yes, but I find the similarities troubling.

Have you noticed there aren't any more claims of attacks on "wedding parties"? Is that because some US General sent out an order saying.."OK guys, would you stop attacking wedding parties"?

No..that would be silly, wouldn't it? There are no more claims of attacks on wedding parties because the propagandists from the other side realized the claim had become hackneyed, and even a joke. Even Al Jazeera wasn't buying it anyomre. Have you noticed there aren't any more beheading videos? That is because it was found to be counterproductive because it began to cause backlash among the Islamic public. Can't have that...they might stop donating to the Jihad..or stop sending there sons to be taped to the steering wheels of suicide vans.

This is likely propaganda iteration number 3 or 4 or....whatever we are on now. I am not buying it. You can if you wish.
 
Cognescenti said:
This is the Mahmoudiya case which is already a topic in another thread. One soldier is already convicted in this case.

Look, the point is not that members of the US military never do anything wrong. That would be a ludicrous assertion. They do, rarely, and when discoverd, they are punished severely. They should be punished. They harm US credibility, particularly among those inclined to be distrustful of US intentions.

The point is..the story at the start of this thread has cynnical emotional appeal written all over it...it smells like propaganda to me. Where is the claimant? Why isn't the US media all over the story? They are all over any story when they smell blood. Many people on this board, perhaps, don't understand how an independant media works in an open, pluralistic democracy. A healthy dose of skepticism is in order here, no matter how much the story tugs at your heartstrings, you still have to pull back and ask....wait a minute..am I being manipulated here?

Note, for eg., a favorite of Al Quaeda in Iraq was to demand the release of "female prisoners" after abducting some westerner and threatening to saw his head off. Yet, these are the same chaps who blow up marketplaces full of women and children and, for that matter, innocent men. Clearly, they have no real concern about women. It is all about the manipulation of public sentiment. Note the disquieting connection to this story (female prsioner). This has the same emotional appeal as the Nazi propaganda I posted from the 1930's....more sophisticated, yes, but I find the similarities troubling.

Have you noticed there aren't any more claims of attacks on "wedding parties"? Is that because some US General sent out an order saying.."OK guys, would you stop attacking wedding parties"?

No..that would be silly, wouldn't it? There are no more claims of attacks on wedding parties because the propagandists from the other side realized the claim had become hackneyed, and even a joke. Even Al Jazeera wasn't buying it anyomre. Have you noticed there aren't any more beheading videos? That is because it was found to be counterproductive because it began to cause backlash among the Islamic public. Can't have that...they might stop donating to the Jihad..or stop sending there sons to be taped to the steering wheels of suicide vans.

This is likely propaganda iteration number 3 or 4 or....whatever we are on now. I am not buying it. You can if you wish.
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I agree, many times on this site you hear alot of people pointing out the US propoganda but no one ever really points out what you have above. Maybe people will your post and think about it with more than a one sided view. These terrorists are excellent at spreading lies and propoganda to gain the trust and backing of fellow members of Islam. It is a shame many fall into just because they feel tied to certain people because of the belief that they supposedly share, when the other side doesnt actually follow Islam at all (or so it seems through the carless actions that they take).
 
Tayyaba said:
What did we agree on?:confused:
We haven't seem to have gotten there yet lol.
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Aj caramba. It seems I am forever misunderstanding your comments. In that case, you are going to move off of your position becaue I am not feeling convinced yet. :happy:
 
^^Lol, I have NO idea what ur talking about mate...
I'll just leave it there cuz I dont wana go off topic

Peace
 
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*This was not meant to be an argumentative thread* imsad

Pray for the ummah!
 
:sl: subhanALLAH! I read this thread and :cry: :cry: :cry: did anybody here of sister Noor in 2001 I think it was...she passed away whilst in Abu Ghraib :cry: many people wonder if it is still 'running' or whatever but the thing is....for every place or prison that closed down...or for every brother or sister that either dies in captivity or is released, in comes another to greet the dark days of pain and suffering :cry:

subhanAllah, this ummah is going through so much right now....make du'aa always Insha'Allah :w:
 
Jayda said:
this is so horrible, i hate this war... and am so scared that such evil people live so close to me and could do this to somebody... and that the government allows it

may God grant her peace and bring this war to an end now
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These are the sort of sick a$$holes they send over there..Do you think they will sacrifice decent people? No, it is just your typical loser drop-outs who instead of robbing the local mart, got some $30000 scholarship to go rape young women torture and maim random people, and come back heroes when they are less than animals!... May God **** them to torture constant and eternal in this life and the hereafter along with those who support them
Ameen

peace!
 
JihadunNafs said:
:sl: subhanALLAH! I read this thread and :cry: :cry: :cry: did anybody here of sister Noor in 2001 I think it was...she passed away whilst in Abu Ghraib :cry: many people wonder if it is still 'running' or whatever but the thing is....for every place or prison that closed down...or for every brother or sister that either dies in captivity or is released, in comes another to greet the dark days of pain and suffering :cry:

subhanAllah, this ummah is going through so much right now....make du'aa always Insha'Allah :w:
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Patience.. insha'Allah patience..

أَمْ حَسِبْتُمْ أَن تَدْخُلُواْ الْجَنَّةَ وَلَمَّا يَأْتِكُم مَّثَلُ الَّذِينَ خَلَوْاْ مِن قَبْلِكُم مَّسَّتْهُمُ الْبَأْسَاء وَالضَّرَّاء وَزُلْزِلُواْ حَتَّى يَقُولَ الرَّسُولُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ مَعَهُ مَتَى نَصْرُ اللّهِ أَلا إِنَّ نَصْرَ اللّهِ قَرِيبٌ {214}​
[Shakir 2:214] Or do you think that you would enter the garden while yet the state of those who have passed away before you has not come upon you; distress and affliction befell them and they were shaken violently, so that the Messenger and those who believed with him said: When will the help of Allah come? Now surely the help of Allah is nigh!


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