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Hi, i don't know if i post in the correct section sorry if not.

Some muslim think they will go to heaven if they kill women, children. They said, We are martyr that's why we suicide bombing and kill innocent people in subway.
You think they are martyr? I don't think so...

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niether do I think so. commiting suicide is not the same as dying as a martyr. Muslims who commit suicide r punished...unlike a martyr...which is someone who dies fighting in the way of G-d....
 
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Lots of things make you a martyr (even things that are not to do with battles or persecution, like being killed by a mugger), but killing innocent people isn't one of them. That makes you a murderer or a war criminal.
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JimMorrison said:
Hi, i don't know if i post in the correct section sorry if not.

Some muslim think they will go to heaven if they kill women, children. They said, We are martyr that's why we suicide bombing and kill innocent people in subway.
You think they are martyr? I don't think so...

Peace

Old Hippies.
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It's ironic you say that, let's see what the Messenger of God (peace be upon him) says:


The Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

“Do not kill any old person, any child, or any woman.” (Abu Dawud)

“Do not kill the monks in monasteries,” or “Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship.” (Musnad of Ibn Hanbal)


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And that was in the context of fighting against those who fight the believers. :)



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JimMorrison said:
Hi, i don't know if i post in the correct section sorry if not.

Some muslim think they will go to heaven if they kill women, children. They said, We are martyr that's why we suicide bombing and kill innocent people in subway.
You think they are martyr? I don't think so...
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They're fools, not martyrs.
 
Jesus (peace be upon him) never died, and anyone who claims he died has no solid proof to prove that.



And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary ا ) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse);


: And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:


But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All*Powerful, All*Wise.



 [Qur'an 4:153-158 - Muhsin Khan translation]

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Peace. :)
 
It's still insane to kill people and think you are a Martyr...Don't care if they kill, jew, christian or any other no muslim, it's still insane. :thumbs_do
 
So what happens if that person will kill you if you don't kill him first? And not only that, but he will continue to kill others, not caring if they are women or children?

Should we let that evil person (or army) just kill us with out resistance and and become tyrants over the people? :?

Oh, and by the way, you don't become a martyr by killing people, you become a martyr by dying yourself.
 
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Well i start to thinking Islam its religion based on violence,not peace. Sad. Don't ask you why people want to kill you.. huh...

The violence engenders the violence ...

And suicide you will not give you a place in heaven -.-
 
JimMorrison said:
Well i start to thinking Islam its religion based on violence,not peace. Sad. Don't ask you why people want to kill you.. huh...

The violence engenders the violence ...

And suicide you will not give you a place in heaven -.-
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yeah....and we muslims get fed up with these kinds of misconceptions...
 
JimMorrison said:
Well i start to thinking Islam its religion based on violence,not peace. Sad.
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I think the truly sad thing here is that you are basing your conclusion on nothing but ignorance.

And suicide you will not give you a place in heaven -.-
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Guess what? Suicide is a major sin in Islam. Makes you think, doesn't it?:rolleyes:

We never said that people who do that you claimed they do is martyrdom. You said:
Some muslim think they will go to heaven if they kill women, children. They said, We are martyr that's why we suicide bombing and kill innocent people in subway.
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Those Muslims are ignorant, such a person is not a martyr. What they did is sinful.
 
What do you think war is about? Tea parties??

If any enemy is attacking you with a huge army what are you going to do? Give yourself up to them, thereby betraying the whole nation and putting them at risk of being mistreated by the invaders??

Or do you fight them for the sake of God, to establish justice and defend the weak? And if you happen to die while risking your own life to protect the population against and evil invading force, does that make you an evil person?? Or someone worthy of praise?

(p.s. did you miss the part where I said that suicide is not allowed in Islam??)
 
War is a product made by people like you Malaikah. People how think they will result problem whit violence. We not in the Middle Age sister, we are in 21 century.
Does United-States came to Afganistan for kill innocent people or find the chief of Al-Quaida who killed thousand of people in 9/11. Innocent people.

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(p.s. did you miss the part where I said that suicide is not allowed in Islam??)
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Yes lol
 
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Where did I say The US was the best example of proper warring etiquettes.:rolleyes:

Please do not accuse me of foolish things.
 
Seriously, if a guy want to kill me for no reason. Its ok for me then i will die. I love life, i'm happy and i have alot of fun. But die.. i don't fear about die... My religion is mine, i created the way i want to live for the rest of mine. So yes if a army want to kill me i don't will try to kill him before he catch me. Because i love him. Yea i'm maybe weird, but its the way i choose to live. God doesnt give me life, my mom did.
 
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