Clarification on my Position on Israel

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abdmez said:
I am a Palestinian. Jordan has treated us just as bad. Sudan, and Russia opress more then Israel, and I would rather live in Israel where I can practive my religion freely, then live in Shia run Iran as a Sunni for sure.

I and my family are in the cross fire. Are you? If so then tell me your thoughts on the conflict. If not then you shouldn't talk.

My cousin died from the conflict, want to guess who killed him?
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May Allah subhana wa Ta'alah accept him in the jannah !!!! , ya Rahim amin
 
Nicely said Dawud, although i think Isreal doesnt care if they got Muslim nations around them. Remember they got their friend America to help when they want
 
SATalha said:
Nicely said Dawud, although i think Isreal doesnt care if they got Muslim nations around them. Remember they got their friend America to help when they want
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true, but when muslims return to the Quran and Sunnah they will have a friend in Allah that will mean it will not matter whom they have as allies.

but in the mean time we are being tested and purified until we return.

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Yeah bro we need to do that. Incorporate quran and sunnah in our lifes as much as possible.
 
snakelegs said:
islamway,
if the article you posted is true, apparently i was wrong. i thought the conflict was against the political movement of zionism and not against the jews.
if the article is true, then no matter what israel did - it wouldn't make any difference - the hate wouldn't go away.
does this mean that the zionists who try to label muslim anger as "antisemitic" to manipulate and negate criticism are not just doing a clever manipulation - but they're right?
oy.
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looks like it
 
Dawud_uk said:
exactly, this land belongs to the muslim ummah,

not to one people and no one has a monopoly of discussing this issue or any other due to their race of geography, though of-course someone who is there obviously should know more than the rest of us who are not.
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The "muslim ummah" has nothing to do with it, nor any claim on it. It is precisely a matter of race (Jewish and Palestianian Arab) and geography, something everybody with any involvement in the conflict for its first fifty years or so was perfectly well aware of.



SATalha said:
....although i think Isreal doesnt care if they got Muslim nations around them. Remember they got their friend America to help when they want
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What do you mean "care"? They are very well aware of the fact, certainly, although, again, it is primarily because those nations are Arab NOT muslim. That fact has dominated their foreign policy for sixty years.. it had to. As to American help, they have never needed it.
 
That's quite a discussion.
There seems to be some different views:
1. No Muslim leader ever has the right to give away land that was part of the Umma. There will never be a real Israel.
2. There is nothing wrong with Israel being in existence or in their relationship with the Palestinians.
3. Israel has a right to exist, but is not treating the Palestinians fairly, so there must be some solution--a Two State solution being the best one proposed, though it isn't satisfying to Palestinians who are displaced or to Israeli security. And it will draw more terrorist attacks and violence.

I think #1 is based on a bad assumption--many people have occupied their will on the land, tribal peoples, Hebrews, Jews, Romans, Christians and Muslims. I don't think Muslims have historical priority--or Christians for that matter.
#2 is naive and dangerous, making the false connection between critique of Israel and antisemitism.
I think some kind of #3 solution is the only way. All Arab nations since the 70's have ratified UN Resolution 242 and their cousins, urging:
1. Recognition of Israel
2. Return of land to pre-67 situation
3. Solution to the Palestinian oppression
All Arab & Muslim states ratified this as late as 2002.

I think it is the only solution. And unless the Palestinians are given support and safety, and Muslims recognize Israel (their leaders have), I can't imagine we'll ever have peace.

Two thoughts:
1. I'm also worried about a Shii-Sunni war this century, and Hamas-Fatah civil war.
2. The "Final Solution" comment is almost as racist and insensitive as the article saying the problem is with "the Jews."
 
Salaam/peace;


abdmez said:
I am a Palestinian........I and my family are in the cross fire. Are you? ........ If not then you shouldn't talk.
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


so , we are not allowed to talk about unjust war going on in Iraq , we won't talk about Bush anymore , we will only discuss about our local matters ? That's funny. :shade:




In this thread '' Apartheid in the Holy Land '' , u claimed that --I wouldn't call myself a fan of Israel ".....but surely u look like a fan of Israel.


When many Jews are protesting against Israels' cruelty , i see u r always defending them.......are u really a Muslim living in Palestine ?



Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel

By Julian Borger

A group of prominent British Jews will today declare independence from the country's Jewish establishment, arguing that it puts support for Israel above the human rights of Palestinians.



http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/371/2/
 
I see a trend with threads like these. In the thread about the Taliban, a certain individual, an Afghan, was attacked because she didn't think the Taliban was good for Afghanistan. Same here with our Palestinian member. Because he doesn't tow the line of the anti-Israel crowd, his identity is questioned. Perhaps it would be better to read abdmez's posts, take them under consideration, and choose to agree or disagree in a respectful manner.
 
Keltoi said:
I see a trend with threads like these. In the thread about the Taliban, a certain individual, an Afghan, was attacked because she didn't think the Taliban was good for Afghanistan. Same here with our Palestinian member. Because he doesn't tow the line of the anti-Israel crowd, his identity is questioned. Perhaps it would be better to read abdmez's posts, take them under consideration, and choose to agree or disagree in a respectful manner.
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I too have noticed this. It has happened actually many times before. If a muslim person here does not agree with current bashing going on in a thread, the bashers accuse them of "siding with the kuffar", being a "traitor", "ignorant to the truth", and even as not being a real muslim. It makes me wonder. With all this bullying going on, how many muslims (and non-muslims for that matter) here are not saying what they really feel? If the valid concern is that muslim brothers and sisters will attack a person for not sharing the same view, then how many are not sharing?
 
I agree with Keltoi and SilentObserver. Everyont is intitled to their own opinion without being bashed for it. I am not going to pretend like I know enough about the situation to make a stand for either side. But I do know enough to know that this has been going on for way too long. But I don't see an end to it anywhere in the near future. Even if the goverment can come to an agreement then there will still be too much anger with the citizens to live peacefully. A very close and dear friend of mine is from Palestine. Never once had I ever been afraid of him untill the day he found out that his mother's house had been demolished because his brother (who didn't live there) was fighting in the resistance. That kind of hatred doesn't go away over night.
 
Keltoi I did take his post into consideration. The response I got was that since I'm not Palestinian I should not have a right to comment on the mideast crisis. This is what he said:

abdmez said:
I and my family are in the cross fire. Are you? If so then tell me your thoughts on the conflict. If not then you shouldn't talk.
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I don't know what posts you're reading,...but he doesn't strike me as a terribly reasonable person. You should entertain the thought that maybe this is why people are jumping on him.

peace be to you
 
Trumble said:
The "muslim ummah" has nothing to do with it, nor any claim on it. It is precisely a matter of race (Jewish and Palestianian Arab) and geography, something everybody with any involvement in the conflict for its first fifty years or so was perfectly well aware of.
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tough look trumble, cos there are 1.5 billion other muslims around the world and when even a few of them get their act sorted out israel is history. it is a matter of the final settlement to come about afterwards.

i would much prefer as little bloodshed as possible, a good negotiated settlement where the jews accept muslim sovereignty and the muslims accept a financial settlement for the land the jews took bt now dont want to leave.

Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
tough look trumble, cos there are 1.5 billion other muslims around the world and when even a few of them get their act sorted out israel is history. it is a matter of the final settlement to come about afterwards.

i would much prefer as little bloodshed as possible, a good negotiated settlement where the jews accept muslim sovereignty and the muslims accept a financial settlement for the land the jews took bt now dont want to leave.

Abu Abdullah
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Are you suggesting that the jews will leave Israel or just the settlements? And are you talking about muslim sovereignty for palestinians, or rule over Israel?
 
SilentObserver said:
Are you suggesting that the jews will leave Israel or just the settlements? And are you talking about muslim sovereignty for palestinians, or rule over Israel?
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i think if you read my original argument at the beginning of the thread you will see what i mean.

Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
i think if you read my original argument at the beginning of the thread you will see what i mean.

Abu Abdullah
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What you described there is never going to happen, your fighting against God's will. God gave the land back to the rightful owners. It always belonged to the jews. The sooner muslims accept that, the sooner you can get back to....whatever it is that you would like to get back to.
 

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