North Korea may disarm Nukes!

[MTAFFI]

muslims don't fear anyone except Allah.

you really hate muslims don't you MTAFFI?

why would you say something like that?

 

[Count DeSheep]

you really hate muslims don't you MTAFFI?

why would you say something like that?

North Korea disarming nukes, hating Muslims...I see the correlation there. Especially since MTAFFI is on an Islamic board, and has been here for quite a while without getting kicked off.

 

[MTAFFI]

North Korea disarming nukes, hating Muslims...I see the correlation there. Especially since MTAFFI is on an Islamic board, and has been here for quite a while without getting kicked off.

Thanks for that Count

And just so it is clear, I do not hate any Muslims, I hate the people who use the Muslim faith to justify their own sick desires and motives

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

wow,,,the NK have agreed on their own terms..COOL.

So this is a lesson to everyone ..

BE STRONG,,REMAIN STRONG.

If you give up your sovereign due to threats and welfare,then you will be destroyed.

As always..

Attack Iraq becasue it does NOT HAVE WMD.
DO not attack NK becasue it has WMD..

thankfully the NK will still have more than enough time to digest the result of their nuclear test to come up with better detterents.

 

[Keltoi]

Salaam,

wow,,,the NK have agreed on their own terms..COOL.

So this is a lesson to everyone ..

BE STRONG,,REMAIN STRONG.

If you give up your sovereign due to threats and welfare,then you will be destroyed.

As always..

Attack Iraq becasue it does NOT HAVE WMD.
DO not attack NK becasue it has WMD..

thankfully the NK will still have more than enough time to digest the result of their nuclear test to come up with better detterents.

Oh, so you would like to see a nuclear armed Korean peninsula? Also, the reason the U.S. hasn't attacked North Korean nuclear facilities is because South Korea will be the obvious target for any North Korean retaliation. That would mean the destruction of Seoul. These situation are much more complicated than your simple point.

 

[MTAFFI]

Oh, so you would like to see a nuclear armed Korean peninsula? Also, the reason the U.S. hasn't attacked North Korean nuclear facilities is because South Korea will be the obvious target for any North Korean retaliation. That would mean the destruction of Seoul. These situation are much more complicated than your simple point.

lol

For some it is hard to see past what is put right in front of them, to think that the US would be worried about say Japan, or Seoul, to Zulkiflim, would then not allow him to perceive the US as a warmongering hate machine that is only out to exterminate Islam and be the cause of all evil in the world.

By the way Zulkiflim, that is real good advice, be like NK, starve your people, deprive them of basic necessities just so you can have a nuclear device that couldnt even reach your "real" enemy anyways... STAY STRONG right?

 

[Zulkiflim]

Oh, so you would like to see a nuclear armed Korean peninsula? Also, the reason the U.S. hasn't attacked North Korean nuclear facilities is because South Korea will be the obvious target for any North Korean retaliation. That would mean the destruction of Seoul. These situation are much more complicated than your simple point.

Salaam,

Actually no,china will not allow it..No aggresion by outside forces near its border.


Also,if it comes to war,i think it is nopt SK will get the brunt of the attack but Japan.

China will not accept taiwan to be attacked,China may attack taiwan,but it sees it as an internal strife.

NK attacking Taiwan is an invasion.

And i dont think China would much care if Japan is attacked,Japanese attitude toward asian sentiment for the WW2 is enver forgotten.And Japan willingness to publicly humiliate china at every turn show that.

So i would say,if push comes to shove,if the US attack,Japan will get it and other US allied Nations.

Let see how can i make it simple..
Bush planned to attack Iraq even before SEP 11.
Bush said he will make a F16(or any warplane) into UN colours to be shot down as pretext for Iraq invasion.
Bush said Saddam wanted to kill my DAD.
Bush said GOD told him to invade.

So plans are already laid out,it is just how to convice the US people to back it up.


So far with 2 wars under Bush belt,it seem Bush 2 Justice 0.

 

[Zulkiflim]

lol

For some it is hard to see past what is put right in front of them, to think that the US would be worried about say Japan, or Seoul, to Zulkiflim, would then not allow him to perceive the US as a warmongering hate machine that is only out to exterminate Islam and be the cause of all evil in the world.

By the way Zulkiflim, that is real good advice, be like NK, starve your people, deprive them of basic necessities just so you can have a nuclear device that couldnt even reach your "real" enemy anyways... STAY STRONG right?

Salaam,

It is not advice it is the simple truth.

Is the US invading NK?
No why?
Is not NK an axis of evil?
Is not NK creating WMD?
Did not NK test a nuclear weapon?


And you are right,if NK did not remain steadfast in their rights of soveriegnity,i guess they will be experiencing a SHOCK AND AWE.

Well i can say,is it more worse to starve your own populace for your own security?

do you know how many coutnries have done the same thing?
USSR/Pakistan/India,,many more i can assure you.

But you do not wish to see the ills you do,but only the good..
Like i always said before,the US fear justice,no accountabilty,that is why Bush and his cohorts want immunity for all US citizens..

 

[MTAFFI]

Salaam,

It is not advice it is the simple truth.

Is the US invading NK?
No why?
Is not NK an axis of evil?
Is not NK creating WMD?
Did not NK test a nuclear weapon?

The US did not invade because of what Keltoi said above, Japan may be struck, South Korea could be struck, and just by the way NK doesnt really care that much about what China thinks (which I would think would be obvious after their little stunt with the nuke after China said do not do it), the only reason they care at all about China is because that is their last source of aid

And you are right,if NK did not remain steadfast in their rights of soveriegnity,i guess they will be experiencing a SHOCK AND AWE.

No they may end up experiencing peace and fertilizer for crops and a freeze taken off their bank accounts.

Well i can say,is it more worse to starve your own populace for your own security?

Is this a question or comment? Either way, NK's security was not a factor, Kim Jong Il is a paranoid psychopath that thought the US was trying to overthrow him, the only thing the US has done is ensure protection for Japan and SK

do you know how many coutnries have done the same thing?
USSR/Pakistan/India,,many more i can assure you.

So because they did it, it is OK?

But you do not wish to see the ills you do,but only the good..

I know that there are mistakes made, by not just the US but every country in history, however the US does in the world far exceeds the mistakes, perhaps you just look for the ills and do not look for the good

Like i always said before,the US fear justice,no accountabilty,that is why Bush and his cohorts want immunity for all US citizens..

uhhhhhh what? I am not sure I understand this alien twisted form of logic... In fact I am not even sure if this is a question of logic, rather a flat out ridiculous statement

 

[Count DeSheep]

Is the US invading NK?
No why?

No, the U.S. is not invading NK. America isn't strong enough or popular enough. If America did attack, everyone would take the opportunity to attack America. More than likely, if it wasn't totally destroyed by bombs and such, the nation would be sliced up like a cake and given to China, North Korea, etc...

But you do not wish to see the ills you do,but only the good..
Like i always said before,the US fear justice,no accountabilty,

Amen to that.

 

[Keltoi]

No, the U.S. is not invading NK. America isn't strong enough or popular enough. If America did attack, everyone would take the opportunity to attack America. More than likely, if it wasn't totally destroyed by bombs and such, the nation would be sliced up like a cake and given to China, North Korea, etc...



Amen to that.

Sounds like a good piece of Clancy fiction....

 

[Zulkiflim]

The US did not invade because of what Keltoi said above, Japan may be struck, South Korea could be struck, and just by the way NK doesnt really care that much about what China thinks (which I would think would be obvious after their little stunt with the nuke after China said do not do it), the only reason they care at all about China is because that is their last source of aid

[PIE]So inpoint,the US feels that Japan is far more important that Kuwait?

In the second desert war,the US attacked Iraq wihout caring for the Kuwaits.

Or did they make a calculated move knowing that they had cornered Saddam?

Or dont the Kuwaitis matter?

so again,it is simple,do not attack NK becasue it had DETTERENT FORCES,but do attack Iraq becasue it has NO DETTERENT WEAPONS.

[/PIE]


No they may end up experiencing peace and fertilizer for crops and a freeze taken off their bank accounts.

[PIE] Like i said,security or walth/welfare.

Should you have a coutnry then fight and bargain for wealth/welfare.
Or should you have wealtha nd welfare but later to be bombed to Bits..

Guess,if a coutnry kow about enjoyment,they will fell more when it is lost,
In the current situation,with the current state of NK would they miss much?

In point,the US itself say that it would rahter make the future US citizens to pay for the DEFENSE of the US ,in endeavours like war on terrorism ...missile defence system and so on..
So the US recognize safety rather than welfare...dont you agree..

[/PIE]



Is this a question or comment? Either way, NK's security was not a factor, Kim Jong Il is a paranoid psychopath that thought the US was trying to overthrow him, the only thing the US has done is ensure protection for Japan and SK

[PIE]Wait the US is not trying to overthow NK,with grand sounding word like REGIME,AXIS OF EVIL,DICTATOR..

**** my english must be bad,ohh and did not the US place santion on NK...

Guess in your mind overhtoring would be SHOCK AND AWE coutnless murder just to get to one man.[/PIE]


So because they did it, it is OK?

[PIE]Well to them and so is to many more coutnries who would sacrifice their own people for their own nation.

Did not India nd Pakistan face santion and what not just for tyring to learn nuclear technology,and how many million of people sufferend FOR THE DEFENCE OF THEIR LAND?

Oc course for the US in its endeavour to get nuclear technology they bombed another coutnry just to test their weapons,,,,but hey as long as it is not US citizens it is ok..
Or don't the US acrifice US citizens for its own safety?


[/PIE]


I know that there are mistakes made, by not just the US but every country in history, however the US does in the world far exceeds the mistakes, perhaps you just look for the ills and do not look for the good

[PIE]Yep,like i said you do ill..then say other coutnries do it too..

And your notion that the US does more good than bad is questionable..LOL

At the end of the day what the US dos is for its own safety and not others.

Look at the missile defence system,
The US are placing these weapon on non US sol so that the bomb can be destroyed before entring US airspace...
But for the host coutnries,if the war comes to them it dont matter..HMMMM

[/PIE]



uhhhhhh what? I am not sure I understand this alien twisted form of logic... In fact I am not even sure if this is a question of logic, rather a flat out ridiculous statement

It is twisted i know,but that is the thought of the US people.
They do evil in the world but do not think they should be punished...

LOL...

 

[Zulkiflim]

No, the U.S. is not invading NK. America isn't strong enough or popular enough. If America did attack, everyone would take the opportunity to attack America. More than likely, if it wasn't totally destroyed by bombs and such, the nation would be sliced up like a cake and given to China, North Korea, etc...



Amen to that.

Salaam,

So might is right.
And popularity counts..LOL

See what is wrong with the US justice and govemental system..LOL

No Justice.
No Law.

And the US wont attack NK or even help Taiwan when China takes it over..

The US cant....

 

[arabiyyah]

China would never think of attacking US interests because so much of Chinas economy is dependant on USA conmpanies if the USA restircted trade or comapines in China, over 200 million workers could be unemployed. but at the same time the usa is so dependant on chinese workers that is economy would go down a huge amount if it stoped trade wit china, so therefore, i dont believe either country will want to escalate with the other.

 

[MTAFFI]

It is twisted i know,but that is the thought of the US people.
They do evil in the world but do not think they should be punished...

LOL...

you arguments and statements are lame and pointless, I cant continue talking with you on this because you type before you think

 

[Woodrow]

China would never think of attacking US interests because so much of Chinas economy is dependant on USA conmpanies if the USA restircted trade or comapines in China, over 200 million workers could be unemployed. but at the same time the usa is so dependant on chinese workers that is economy would go down a huge amount if it stoped trade wit china, so therefore, i dont believe either country will want to escalate with the other.

Not US companies, those are Chinese companies operating in the US. Very many US companies are now Chinese owned. In this world of international businesses the location of a company no longer means ownership. At the present time something like 1/3 of all the companies in the US are not owned by Americans. But, oddly a large number of American owned businesses are not in the US.

 

[Count DeSheep]

And the US wont attack NK or even help Taiwan when China takes it over..

At one time in Chinese history, the Communists and the Nationalists fought together against a greater enemy. However, the Nationalists saw fit to betray their Communist allies and make war on them. The Nationalists were soon defeated, and fled to Taiwan. The Communists, of course, got mainland China.

There is no good to come from defending Taiwan, as it was founded as a refuge for backstabbers.

 

[Keltoi]

At one time in Chinese history, the Communists and the Nationalists fought together against a greater enemy. However, the Nationalists saw fit to betray their Communist allies and make war on them. The Nationalists were soon defeated, and fled to Taiwan. The Communists, of course, got mainland China.

There is no good to come from defending Taiwan, as it was founded as a refuge for backstabbers.

Backstabbers would equal those who disagreed with Mao Zedong's "Glorious Revolution" that starved 15 million people? A Communist program that was later scrapped by Deng Xiaoping. By your statement I assume you think of yourself as a communist....interesting.

 

[Woodrow]

Communist China had showed not favors to Islam. The Communist revolution in China resulted in the deaths of many thousands of Muslims. The Yangtse river even flooded because of the blocking from all of the bodies.

 

[Count DeSheep]

Backstabbers would equal those who disagreed with Mao Zedong's "Glorious Revolution" that starved 15 million people?

Backstabbers would equal those who betray their allies. That's exactly what the KMT did to the CCP, and long before Zedong's Cultural Revolution took place. Assuming that you meant the Cultural Revolution. The only thing I could find on a "Glorious Revolution" was: the overthrow of James II of England in 1688 by a union of Parliamentarians and the Dutch stadtholder William III of Orange-Nassau (William of Orange). Moving on.

Taken from Wikipedia's entry on the Chinese Civil War:
In early 1927 the KMT-CCP rivalry led to a split in the revolutionary ranks. The CCP and the left wing of the KMT had decided to move the seat of the Nationalist government from Guangzhou to Wuhan. But Chiang, whose Northern Expedition was proving successful, set his forces out to destroy the Shanghai CCP apparatus.

A little later on in the article:
In December 1949 Chiang proclaimed Taipei, Taiwan, the temporary capital of the Republic of China and continued to assert his government as the sole legitimate authority in China. The last of the fighting ended with the Communist conquest of Hainan Island in May 1950.

From the entry on Mao Zedong:
Facing the prospect of losing his place on the political stage, Mao responded to Liu and Deng's movements by launching the Cultural Revolution in 1966.

By your statement I assume you think of yourself as a communist....interesting.

I do not think of myself as a communist, although a number of communist ideas appeal to me.

Communist China had showed not favors to Islam. The Communist revolution in China resulted in the deaths of many thousands of Muslims. The Yangtse river even flooded because of the blocking from all of the bodies.

Eh? How did Muslims get worked into this? Anyway, I found something on them.
From Islam in China:
...Muslims suffered a decline of their status during the Qing Dynasty. Numerous Hui rebellions, such as the Panthay Rebellion, Muslim Rebellion, sprung up during the Qing Dynasty in reaction to repressionist policies.

Notice that Communist China wasn't even around during the Qing Dynasty. And the Communist government in China recognizes the Hui, a Chinese Muslim group, as an official ethnic group.