Queen Rania : Muslim Women dont have to wear veils

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And people trust Western sources, go figure.

Maybe we should invite Queen Rania in this forum...:D .. as she loves to talk about Muslims and Islam..
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^^Lol, how would we go about doing that? Lets write her a letter :D
 
Political views aside...she is the best looking Queen I have ever seen.

I realize this may seem trivial :smile:
 
amani said:
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i just hate it when these people try to modernise the religion to fit in :rolleyes:
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I hate to break it to you, but at one time Islam was more modern in every way than it is today. Actually, let me rephrase that. The way that muslims practice and interpret islam today, is centuries behind the way it was in the 12th century.
Muslims today that claim that people like Queen Rania are attempting to distort islam, are actually following a distortion. Islam originally was not as many practice it today. It was at the end of the 12th century that in order to control the islamic people, the leaders began to change things.
 
Dawud_uk said:
she is still a fasiq and she is still married to a kaffir apostate and so she is not in any position to lecture us on islam.

Abu Abdullah
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Sorry but could you translate that to english cause i don't get it.
 
SilentObserver said:
I hate to break it to you, but at one time Islam was more modern in every way than it is today. Actually, let me rephrase that. The way that muslims practice and interpret islam today, is centuries behind the way it was in the 12th century.
Muslims today that claim that people like Queen Rania are attempting to distort islam, are actually following a distortion. Islam originally was not as many practice it today. It was at the end of the 12th century that in order to control the islamic people, the leaders began to change things.
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ummm so how was islam practised in the 12th century?
i know muslims need to go back to how islam was practised and adhere to the Quran and sunnah only and not compromise our faith which is actually being what is done today. so yes we are worse today we need to go back and become more stricter and shun what is not in the religion.
had the muslims gone back to what true islam is, we would be the most advanced people atm.
like you said people like this rania woman interprets islam very differently to what it is (from the comments she said)
 
tomtomsmom said:
Sorry but could you translate that to english cause i don't get it.
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a fasiq is someone who violates islamic law, a Kaffur or Kaffir is a person or people who are considered non-believers because they do not follow islam. and an apostate is someone who changes their religion from Islam.

However, Dawud

Why is the Queen a Fasiq? What has she done to violate islam? Also I was unaware the King of Jordan was an apostate, when did this happen? I know he attended an Islamic school prior to college, did he change while at college?
 
MTAFFI said:
a fasiq is someone who violates islamic law, a Kaffur or Kaffir is a person or people who are considered non-believers because they do not follow islam. and an apostate is someone who changes their religion from Islam.

However, Dawud

Why is the Queen a Fasiq? What has she done to violate islam? Also I was unaware the King of Jordan was an apostate, when did this happen? I know he attended an Islamic school prior to college, did he change while at college?
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a fasiq is an open sinner, she parades herself in front of everyone without hijab, for that alone she is an open sinner.

her husband is a man who though he has the power rules by other laws than Shariah and is therefore in principle an apostate, he has also sided with the kuffar against the muslims, another act of apostasy and he has taken the kuffar as his awliyah (protectors, friends), another act of apostasy.

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
a fasiq is an open sinner, she parades herself in front of everyone without hijab, for that alone she is an open sinner.

her husband is a man who though he has the power rules by other laws than Shariah and is therefore in principle an apostate, he has also sided with the kuffar against the muslims, another act of apostasy and he has taken the kuffar as his awliyah (protectors, friends), another act of apostasy.

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

Abu Abdullah
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I think this is where people believe the veil and hijab are oppressive. If a woman, such as Queen Rania doesnt want to wear this then why does she have to? From what I understand it is a choice and is not a sin if not worn, or at least that is how it is argued when it is said to be oppressive.

As far as her husband goes, I did not realize that not ruling a country by Shariah would make such a person an apostate, does this mean Ahmadinejad is an apostate too? From what I understand Iran is not a true Islamic State, or so some have said on this forum. Also who says he sided with the Kuffar? Not all Muslims side the same way, so how do you distinguish who is siding with the Kuffar and who is just doing the right thing? And if he did what is wrong with that if the intentions of some of the Muslims are not what Islam would advocate anyways? As far as the friends and/or protectors go, I was unaware Muslims couldnt not befriend the Kuffar, if this is true arent Muslims kind of isolating themselves? It is almost as if, if you are not a Muslim then you are target to a Muslim, when it really comes down to it.
 
MTAFFI said:
I think this is where people believe the veil and hijab are oppressive. If a woman, such as Queen Rania doesnt want to wear this then why does she have to? From what I understand it is a choice and is not a sin if not worn, or at least that is how it is argued when it is said to be oppressive.

As far as her husband goes, I did not realize that not ruling a country by Shariah would make such a person an apostate, does this mean Ahmadinejad is an apostate too? From what I understand Iran is not a true Islamic State, or so some have said on this forum. Also who says he sided with the Kuffar? Not all Muslims side the same way, so how do you distinguish who is siding with the Kuffar and who is just doing the right thing? And if he did what is wrong with that if the intentions of some of the Muslims are not what Islam would advocate anyways? As far as the friends and/or protectors go, I was unaware Muslims couldnt not befriend the Kuffar, if this is true arent Muslims kind of isolating themselves? It is almost as if, if you are not a Muslim then you are target to a Muslim, when it really comes down to it.
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the hijab is compulsory, not voluntary and like all compulsory acts it is the duty of the state to make sure it is complied with to maintain public good.

for example, in the west you have to maintain certain very lenient standards of dress and would be arrested in went out with nothing on or at least you would be in the uk.

so the west has simular standards but draws the line differently to islam.

as regarding iran and its president, he has certainly committed kufr (acts of disbelief) and it might be that scholars have given takfir on him (declared him non muslim) but i am not aware of it.

regarding not taking the disbelievers as our awliyah, on a personaly day to day basis i discussed this verse with a christian at work today. she agreed it was correct and why?

because we both agreed that although we should be friendly towards those not of our faith we could not take the disbelievers as our close allies and friends and we differ very much on most other things.

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Abu Abdullah
 

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