It Doesnt Seem The Us Will Have To Attack Iran Afterall

[MTAFFI]

Anyway...if we can return to the topic before a mod has a heartattack.

There is no impending war against Iran. period..full stop. The U.S. Congress would never authorize such a move, and furthermore, Bush is more worried about his legacy as far as Iraq goes.

WELL SAID,

also I would like to add (because I am not sure if my post was deleted) this thread is titled the way it is because of discussions that I have had and read with people on this forum that believe the US is out to attack Iran. It was supposed to be sarcastic

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you aamirsaab;

I would recommend to all members, unless your post is constructive, do not bother replying. Though, if you enjoy high blood pressures and heart attacks, by all means continue

I think my posts are invisible, you may suffer the same problem.

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding and friendship

Eric

 

[MTAFFI]

Greetings and peace be with you aamirsaab;



I think my posts are invisible, you may suffer the same problem.

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding and friendship

Eric

I can see you Eric! Also I think your posts are probably some of the best on this site. You seem to have a good outlook on life, although i disagree with some of your political standpoints (ie Iraq). I think if everyone thought like you, we wouldnt have the problems we have today.

PEACE

 

[Cognescenti]

I strongly suggest you educate yourself on past US operations in Iran. I suggest you read up on it, but here it is in a nutshell:

1. Iran achieved democracy and elected representatives.

2. The Iranian government decided to nationalize their oil. This angered US oil companies.

3. The US destroyed the elected representatives of Iran and installed a dictator, the Shah.

4. People didn't like the Shah very much. In order to stay in power, he did some pretty horrible things to his people.

5. The Iranian people were really upset, understandably I'd say. They eventually managed to overthrow the Shah (and started having elections again), and an angry mob captured the US embassy.

6. This is when the US populace decided to start paying attention.

7. Iran has been painted the villain ever since, and Iranians have not much liked the US since either.

8. Dislike of the US due to the actions above in large part led to the election of the current Iranian leader everyonein the US is always going on about. Interesting side note is that he is limited in actual power.

9. The US, the nation with the most WMDs in the world, the only country I know of to actually use them (on Japan), the most powerful military, and a country that just invaded Iran's neighbour on false pretexts, is now talking all tough at Iran, making it quite clear that Iran may be its next target.

10. The US, on the other side of the globe from Iraq, having just invaded Iraq and currently occupying Iraq, complains that Iran MAY (this isn't even proven) have forces in Iraq, its neighbour.

11. Meanwhile a country that used to be high on the US's hit list (labelled as part of the Axis of Evil) has been dealt with with a more diplomatic approach.

12. The nation above (North Korea) happens to have nuclear weapons. The Nation invaded i paragraph 9 above didn't. Logically, the US suspects that Iran will try to develop WMDs, to protect itself from the US if nothing else.

13. Meanwhile, another country in the region (Israel), also armed to the teeth, and supplied by the US has some bad blood with the rest of the region.

14. As part of the propaganda war, laying the framework for a possible invasion of Iran, the US and Israel have spun the leader of Iran to be some suicidal (he'd have to be) and genocidal nutter who wants to nuke Israel. One genious spin they did was take a quote from that leader and interpret it to say he wants to "Whipe Israel off the map". This was actually not his words, but him quoting somebody, and it didn't refer to a nucler strike, but a prediction of (not even a call for) the fall of the current Israeli "zionist" regime.

15. More recently, Iran has stated that it would not roll over limp if the US took military action against it. It stated it will strike at US interests around the Globe. I would too.


.

I agree with much of your timeline but I do quibble with your emphasis.

i) You make "nationalization" of foreign assets in Iran (ie stealing :smile: ) sound like something akin to a frathouse prank.

ii) The US didn't invent the Shah. They didn't invent monarchist sentiment in Iran either. They just gave it a little boost. :smile: There are millions of Iranians now living in the US who shared a similar hatred for the regime which replaced the Shah.

iii) Interesting take about Amadinajad being "misquoted". It is possible. Translations from Farsi always seem so awkward in English...but there is the totality of his behavior which has an unmistakable anti-US, anti-Israel flavor to it.

iv) Re. the no attack on the PRK thingy. You will note the US also did not attack the PRK when the illegally captured a US warship (Pueblo) or when they threatened to develop nukes. The correct lession is it is good from a deterrent standpoint to have a major city with millions of inhabitants (Seoul) within standard artillery range of your border. In the event, the test of the PRK nuke was a semi-dud. All it did was tick off the Chinese who are now really putting the pressure on.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

To bad they havent worn down the american giant as bad as their own people huh? US is complaining because Iran is placing weapons in the hands of these Shia designed specifically to target the US in this case. If the Sunni insurgents over there werent such morons they would already realize this

How much inuendo does one have to repeat in order to reach the center of a tootsie pop? I can watch CNN myself, if that was my idea of the 'most trusted name in news' - I don't need the verbatum. Trouble is, the picture of America as the great spirit of freedom who defends the world from oppression and tyranny - it's such a lie. The truth is, they've destroyed more Iraqi lives than the Sunni and Shia combined, and well over half the attacks that were blamed on Sunni and Shiite 'insurgents' weren't even caused by 'insurgents' but by foreign meddlers!

The only weapons of mass destruction that were in Iraq came with the U.S. military, who used them freely... on civilians! Yes, all the time! The ones who were actually caught making hay on the civilians amounts to a box of Cheerios compared to the real total. In fact, I have yet to hear the U.S. make one complaint against Iraqi insurgents, that it hasn't been equally guilty of. As far as I'm concerned, the Sunnis in Iraq have had to fight the U.S. even though they were innocent of the charges that were made against them, and they're being asked to forfeit their country in the name of a democracy that doesn't even exist in America! Technically 'white folks' are a minority in the U.S. and since real democracy is based soley on numb3rs, how is it that only white male presidents make office?

You know, I feel sick when I see what's happened. It's not bad enough that Bush is intent to wage a Global War because he wants divine province, but to hear people who sit back in their comfy houses with heat and hot water, coffee and cocktails, reaming a bunch of people over the equivilent of house-wife gossip... that's just plain sad!

There are two sides to the story. But I'd be wasting my breath. In 25 years a collection of documents will magically become 'declassified' and you'll know then, what I know now. It's a pity that 90% of the people those documents concern won't be alive by the time you can read them.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

There is no impending war against Iran. period..full stop. The U.S. Congress would never authorize such a move, and furthermore, Bush is more worried about his legacy as far as Iraq goes.

The only thing stopping Bush from attacking Iran is a suitable excuse (ie: a lie). In case you haven't realised this yet, the man is a total fruit-cake! If he wanted to 'have at' Iran, he would.... and he wouldn't give a rat's @ss if Congress 'liked' it or not.

My bet is he's going play the parties for what they're worth. He got the Shiites to wipe out the Sunnis and next he'll pit the Jews against the Shia. By the time everyone is done wiping the opposition out he'll just bring in the moderates (oil buddies) and talk shop.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Keltoi]

The only thing stopping Bush from attacking Iran is a suitable excuse (ie: a lie). In case you haven't realised this yet, the man is a total fruit-cake! If he wanted to 'have at' Iran, he would.... and he wouldn't give a rat's @ss if Congress 'liked' it or not.

My bet is he's going play the parties for what they're worth. He got the Shiites to wipe out the Sunnis and next he'll pit the Jews against the Shia. By the time everyone is done wiping the opposition out he'll just bring in the moderates (oil buddies) and talk shop.

Ninth Scribe

Yeah right. Bush is a total fruit cake, but somehow managed to see his evil master plan come to be....Bush got the Shiites to "wipe" out the Sunnis, and then he's going to pit the Jews against the Shia. Wow...

Now that we've gotten the Michael Moore hour out of the way, can we get back to reality?

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

WELL SAID,

also I would like to add (because I am not sure if my post was deleted) this thread is titled the way it is because of discussions that I have had and read with people on this forum that believe the US is out to attack Iran. It was supposed to be sarcastic

Oh sure. Very amusing to joke about a potential threat. So, I suppose the new "moral waivers" for army recruitment are just for fun as well. Or did you even know the U.S. is trying to up it's muscle count? Hmm. Seems any moron can join the armed services now. It doesn't matter if you have a criminal record and you don't even need a high school diploma anymore! They've done away with all that red tape. But, you all doubt this for any real military objective. They probably just need more guys for the inter-state ping pong championship, right?

Whatever.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Iran is a bit complicated as it is a Shia country. Dictator Bush and his henchmen told us that Iraq is linked to Al Queda due to the minority sunni population there. Since the Al qaeda tag cannot be applied to Iran its better to apply the nuclear tag, now anything that can remotely be linked to Iran is being used.

 

[MTAFFI]

Oh sure. Very amusing to joke about a potential threat. So, I suppose the new "moral waivers" for army recruitment are just for fun as well. Or did you even know the U.S. is trying to up it's muscle count? Hmm. Seems any moron can join the armed services now. It doesn't matter if you have a criminal record and you don't even need a high school diploma anymore! They've done away with all that red tape. But, you all doubt this for any real military objective. They probably just need more guys for the inter-state ping pong championship, right?

Whatever.

right... a potential threat... It is pretty obvious you have no idea what you are talking about, unless Iran does something to provoke the US, the US will not be in Iran, and by provoking I mean they would have to do more than just talk. As far as the US military, I wonder who the insurgency recruits? I wonder how intelligent the people must be that blow themselves up everyday? I wonder if they went to high school or have any criminal records, what red tape do they have? Besides where are you even getting this information, do you know this for a fact?

 

[Cognescenti]

The only thing stopping Bush from attacking Iran is a suitable excuse (ie: a lie). In case you haven't realised this yet, the man is a total fruit-cake! If he wanted to 'have at' Iran, he would.... and he wouldn't give a rat's @ss if Congress 'liked' it or not.

My bet is he's going play the parties for what they're worth. He got the Shiites to wipe out the Sunnis and next he'll pit the Jews against the Shia. By the time everyone is done wiping the opposition out he'll just bring in the moderates (oil buddies) and talk shop.

Ninth Scribe

So Bush is at once a "fruitcake" and the new Nostradamus. Why, that is quite a combination.

Given his remarkable clairvoyance, when he has finished his Presidency, he won't need to go on a paid speaking tour like Clinton...he could just bet the horses.



BTW...you didn't mention Halliburton....you know.. page 12 of the playbook. Its not as much fun if you dont mention Halliburton.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Noble;

You forgot to take your "nice pill" today. When you use phrases like "Dictator Bush and his henchmen", you sound like some bug-eyed chap trying to stay warm in a subway station.

Do you mean to say there is no link between the situation in Iraq and Al Quaeda today (which is preposterous) or do you mean there was no link before 9-11 (which is at least arguable)? FYI, nobody argued a command and control link between SH and Al Quaeda.

I cant stress enough the western governments have adopted fascism with new tactics. You probably dont feel comfortable around certain looking people, because its whats dictated to you, I know I would certainly feel uncomfortable around certain types of people. Its a looping thought works both ways.

 

[wilberhum]

And silly me was wondering why half the world is aligning against the west.

Is that half of the world that is aligning against the west, the East?
Then is half of the world aligning against the East?
Just wondering. :rant:

 

[Keltoi]

Is that half of the world that is aligning against the west, the East?
Then is half of the world aligning against the East?
Just wondering. :rant:

Ahmadenijad, Chavez, Kim Jong Ill. Wow what a trio. The West better watch it.