Sikhism

looks like wasups realised he's been proved wrong. im not blood related to white and black people, but anyhow, i will give them ur regards...
 
Religionists are like salespeople. The one who is honest doesn't sell much but the crooks sell a lot. Sikhi is pure spirituality and only one in million can grasp it.
 
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fataih..
waheguru ....how r all u lovin people doing...
sorry its been a while ..but hopefuly guru saheb'll bless me with all ur people's blessed vision again
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fataih jee
still learning(not even .0000000000000000001%sikh :-(....)
 
Cali

Isn't that what is turning young Sikhs away, because they can't understand it. I too found that to find out about Islam is more easier than Sikhism.
Maybe because they get Swaab for doing dawah? Maybe Sikhs don't try to convert others as it doesn't work on the "brownie point system" where you will be rewarded to help someone embrace Islam?
 
TABS19 said:
Cali

Isn't that what is turning young Sikhs away, because they can't understand it. I too found that to find out about Islam is more easier than Sikhism.
Maybe because they get Swaab for doing dawah? Maybe Sikhs don't try to convert others as it doesn't work on the "brownie point system" where you will be rewarded to help someone embrace Islam?
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We want Quality not Quantity. Numbers mean zilch:D
 
wasup said:
:imsad

You have not responded in time ULTIMATE FICTION.Maybe it is a sunday afternoon and you are ringing all your sikh cousins in MALAYSIA,AFRICA,AMERICA,RUSSIA??????:rolleyes:

If that is the case give my regards to your aunts and uncles.......i've got some proper things to discuss.:rant:

BEEN A PLEASURE.
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Pardon? :rolleyes:
 
AvarAllahNoor

I really admire you and the way you defend Sikhism. I wanted to send you a PM (but as a limited member so couldn't). However, I feel that young Sikhs are lacking knowledge in their own religion and can't answer questions that are asked. What are we doing as Sikhs to ensure that there is Quality?

What does Gurdwara's do to ensure that EVERYONE understands Sikhi?
 
gurfateh jio

there are many things that have regenerated in local communities putting sikhi back into the hearts of the youth. personally i think the fault is the older generation. sikhi seemed to have skipped a generation. most of our parents are not khalsa, and have become trapped in settling into this country, and making money. but now i feel that things are turning around. sikhi is a difficult path to follow:

Bgqw kI cwl inrwlI ]

bhagathaa kee chaal niraalee ||

The lifestyle of the devotees is unique and distinct.



cwlw inrwlI Bgqwh kyrI ibKm mwrig clxw ]

chaalaa niraalee bhagathaah kaeree bikham maarag chalanaa ||

The devotees' lifestyle is unique and distinct; they follow the most difficult path.



lbu loBu AhMkwru qij iqRsnw bhuqu nwhI bolxw ]

lab lobh aha(n)kaar thaj thrisanaa bahuth naahee bolanaa ||

They renounce greed, avarice, egotism and desire; they do not talk too much.



KMinAhu iqKI vwlhu inkI eyqu mwrig jwxw ]

kha(n)niahu thikhee vaalahu nikee eaeth maarag jaanaa ||

The path they take is sharper than a double-edged sword, and finer than a hair.


this is what Guru Amar daas jee says about those people who decide to follow the path of Sikhi.
 
I agree with you that now the passion for Sikhi is returning. My parents were not religious before, but now are Amritdhari's and hopefully my younger brothers will be more educated than myself or my sister was.

In some ways it's made me more determined to find out what Sikhism is all about. Islam is being spoon-fed to me at the moment by my brother-in-law and the questions I ask are being answered. However, with Sikhism it's a completely different. It's not dogmatic.
 
TABS19 said:
AvarAllahNoor

I really admire you and the way you defend Sikhism. I wanted to send you a PM (but as a limited member so couldn't). However, I feel that young Sikhs are lacking knowledge in their own religion and can't answer questions that are asked. What are we doing as Sikhs to ensure that there is Quality?

What does Gurdwara's do to ensure that EVERYONE understands Sikhi?
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsal Waheguru Je Ke Fateh

Well, depending on where you go. A few Gurdwaras in the Midlands, have now installed large screens in the main prayer halls, which have the SGGS verses projected up on the screen in english. You'd be surpirsed how much this has lured the youth in because now they understand what is being read/said.

Gurdwaras have now also taken the intiative to spread Sikhi to other people, rather than keep it in the 'community' We as Sikhs, should not be scared to participate in such activities. - A great quote by JFK comes to mind.

''Don't ask what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country'' So apply it to Sikhi - ''Don't ask what the Panth can do for you, Ask what you can do for the Panth'' :D
 
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AvarAllahNoor

I'm from East London and I find my local Gurdwara's are more geared towards the bibbia.

Understanding the Guru Granth Sahib is the issue. Most youth do not even understand basic Punjabi.

''Don't ask what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country'' So apply it to Sikhi - ''Don't ask what the Panth can do for you, Ask what you can do for the Panth''
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I like that quote! So true. I've had many learned Muslim people teaching me about Islam, but because I never got the same from Sikhism I mistakenly thought because they did not have the answers. What have I done to? :? Nothing really.....something to think about hey?
 
Gurfateh Parwan Karni Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji ki Fateh,

Bhai Sahib Jio, Whenever a person yearn for something( if he /she is serious), he/she goes all out for it. Remember guruju said. "Charan sharan Gur ek Paindah jai chall sat gur Kot paindah aageh hoi leth hai...." You take a step forward towards the path Of Guru...Guruji come a thousand step to embrace you and take you into his fold...So its you who take the step and dont blame others. The Path is difficult but the end is sweet.

Fateh!!
 
TABS19 said:
AvarAllahNoor

I'm from East London and I find my local Gurdwara's are more geared towards the bibbia.

Understanding the Guru Granth Sahib is the issue. Most youth do not even understand basic Punjabi.



I like that quote! So true. I've had many learned Muslim people teaching me about Islam, but because I never got the same from Sikhism I mistakenly thought because they did not have the answers. What have I done to? :? Nothing really.....something to think about hey?
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Yes, but although it is down to our parents to educate us on our religion, what is stopping YOU or anybody else from picking up a book, or via net from reading up on it. It's what i did a the age of 15 - I've been approached by JW, Muslims and even Christians about what their relgion is and how it is ''better'' I'm able to defend and answer all questions in relation to Sikhi.

You can only be lured in by other people when you're not educated in your own. If you have a passion about something you explore it. Same with Sikhi, read and learn!

Gur Fateh!
 
TABS19 said:
AvarAllahNoor

I'm from East London and I find my local Gurdwara's are more geared towards the bibbia.

Understanding the Guru Granth Sahib is the issue. Most youth do not even understand basic Punjabi.
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What do you mean at bibian? Is it a woman Gurudwara only? (which would be odd)

Parents fail here big time - People are shocked when I start speaking panjabi, because they are not used to seeing anyone young who can speak it fluently.

I learned the Bani in english, if you have a passion like I said before, you pursue it. Just as you would do a sport, you wouldn't wait for your mum or dad to say ''go and play football' or say on the Xbox, would you? So why not learn it yourself and educate the rest!
 
Saajan said:
Gurfateh Parwan Karni Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji ki Fateh,

Bhai Sahib Jio, Whenever a person yearn for something( if he /she is serious), he/she goes all out for it. Remember guruju said. "Charan sharan Gur ek Paindah jai chall sat gur Kot paindah aageh hoi leth hai...." You take a step forward towards the path Of Guru...Guruji come a thousand step to embrace you and take you into his fold...So its you who take the step and dont blame others. The Path is difficult but the end is sweet.

Fateh!!
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji ki Fateh

Couldn't have said it better myeslf brother! :statisfie
 
Ok Veero don't need to bite my head off!!!


(Sorry I should have added papa's and bibbia). There are classes that teach you to read the Guru Granth Sahib, but obviously to do so you need to be able to read Punjabi, hence it fails to attract the youth.

Typical example (to show my point)…my Muslim friends used to go to the mosque straight after school, but I used to go home, because there is no such provisions at the Gurdwara. There are Punjabi classes, but nothing where children are explained the meaning of the Guru Granth Sahib. So that maybe contributes to why many Sikhs do not have the knowledge. Being taught religion at a younger age does help. However I agree when you say what stopping me now.

I'm quite lucky in the sense I can read, write and speak Punjabi. FYI I have studied the Guru Granth Sahib and now when I go to the Gurdwara I can understand what is being recited. However both of you have said if you have a desire to learn about Sikhism, go and learn it and not to blame others. I have got tons of books that go in to detail about the meanings of Guru Granth Sahib and make sense, but my issue is that other than the Rehat Maryada I can't find anything that answers my questions about the social aspect of Sikhism. Like Islam has hadiths on questions for our day to day life, what about Sikhism. (Can you recommend any good books to read.?) Not sure if the moderators might think Sikhism is being promoted here, so by all mean PM me.

I just feel that the "community spirit" for Sikhism is lost. If someone is talking about reverting to another religion we don't ask why, we just turn our backs on them and say "Good luck to you". As learned Sikhs, do you not feel that you should at least guide someone who is does not have the knowledge on Sikhism? Why have the knowledge if you are not going to share it with others. Is this to boost your own ego? Didn't Guru Nanak Dev Ji not travel to teach about Sikhism?
 
TABS19 said:
Is this to boost your own ego? Didn't Guru Nanak Dev Ji not travel to teach about Sikhism?
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Indeed he did. Sikhi is a missionary religion. Most white converts can be found in the USA. Where Harbhajan Singh Khalsa took it upon himself to spread Sikhi. And very well he did. They are in their thousands!

As for Hadiths, we have Bhai Gurdas ji, who in his verses hold the key top the SGGS! I'll find you the link so you can have a read of it. - Our parents generation failed, they see they were wrong now, but the youth have taken over. A new Sikhi has been nurtured. Most Gurdwaras i attend are full of youth, they particpate in events catered for the young. So things have changed, should have happened sooner, but hey at least they've woken up now!

Times are changing veeera, and people are embracing Sikhi, it's the religion of the future. - If you want to make a change go and get involved in the Gurdwaras, don't let old fuddy duddy men tell you to go away, we are the future and we shall make Sikhi Flourish!! :D

Gur Fateh Khalsa Jio
 
Times are changing veeera, and people are embracing Sikhi, it's the religion of the future. - If you want to make a change go and get involved in the Gurdwaras, don't let old fuddy duddy men tell you to go away, we are the future and we shall make Sikhi Flourish!!
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BTW I'm not a veera, I'm a bibbo!!:D

I would appreciate the links, but now I now where to look, I can do something about it.
 

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