Muslim parents Appeal Over Baby Named Jihad

[NoName55]

Sis, it doesnt necessarily have to be about the name, it could be anything. We shouldnt be pressured so stop somethin that is Islamic because people fail to understand it. Do people listen to others to stop smoking even though they know its bad? What should people be worried about, a name or things that hurts them physically? Its just a name, and if people cant handle it, thats their issue.

Its not their issue if you are ruled by them. Then you either abide by their rulings or the other choice is to emigrate to a country that you are willing to obey the rules of.

 

[tomtomsmom]

I'm not saying that all Muslims must name their children Jihad, that is completely absurd. If that is what Allah commanded, than over 99% of Muslims are doing a bad job, because the name Jihad is very, very rare. But the point is that Muslims in Western societies are increasingly being pressured to abandon famous Islamic names including Muhammad, Usama, Ahmad, Hussain, etc., in favor of unknown names or even Western names. I highly dissaprove of this because we should be setting the precedent for the disbelievers to follow, we are their models for the righteous, how can we than be pressured to adopt their ways and please them?

O ye who believe! If ye obey the unbelievers, they will drive you back on your heels, and ye will turn back (from Faith) to your own loss (Al-Imran 3:149)

I didn't mean that all muslims must name their child that. There are names that are more incouraged to name your children than others. If Jihad is one of them then I would simply like to know where it says that.

The world is constantly changing. It sucks. But it happens. We all have to change with the times. There have been some very bad things tied to some very beautiful names. That sucks too but it is what it is. To subject a child to that kind of hatred just because you don't think that it should be that way is wrong. If when the child grows up and wants to change his name then so be it. But give the poor kid a chance not to get his teeth kicked in while he is at school.:rant:

Just a side note-I have no problem with traditional names. My husbands name is Mohammed.

 

[tomtomsmom]

Sis, it doesnt necessarily have to be about the name, it could be anything. We shouldnt be pressured so stop somethin that is Islamic because people fail to understand it. Do people listen to others to stop smoking even though they know its bad? What should people be worried about, a name or things that hurts them physically? Its just a name, and if people cant handle it, thats their issue.

That is the point I am trying to make. In the future a name like that could cause this boy serious physical harm. So it isn't just the person who is mis-informed issue. That is an issue for everyone around this child. That name could bring down a rain of hell on this whole family.

And where does it say that this is an Islamic name? There are alot of things that are said to be "Islamic" but are actually cultural traditions that have nothing to do with Islam.

 

[Talha777]

The world is constantly changing. It sucks. But it happens. We all have to change with the times. There have been some very bad things tied to some very beautiful names. That sucks too but it is what it is.

Yes times do change, but it doesn't mean we have to change with them. Islam says to abide by Truth, even if the whole world says otherwise, in the end we will have to answer to our Rab, not to society. As Muslims we take lesson from the stories narrated in the Holy Quran. Sadum (Sodom) was an evil society that openly practiced some of the most vehement sins collectively, but the Prophet Lot (alaihi salam) was a righteous person who did not give in to society, even when it endangered his very life. He put his trust and faith in Allah, and sure enough he was among the few who was granted protection when Allah destroyed his entire civilization. We Muslims must be apart from this world, we must be different and a model of piety. We cannot simply change with the time, that is not our way.

 

[NoName55]

Yes times do change, but it doesn't mean we have to change with them. Islam says to abide by Truth, even if the whole world says otherwise, in the end we will have to answer to our Rab, not to society. As Muslims we take lesson from the stories narrated in the Holy Quran. Sadum (Sodom) was an evil society that openly practiced some of the most vehement sins collectively, but the Prophet Lot (alaihi salam) was a righteous person who did not give in to society, even when it endangered his very life. He put his trust and faith in Allah, and sure enough he was among the few who was granted protection when Allah destroyed his entire civilization. We Muslims must be apart from this world, we must be different and a model of piety. We cannot simply change with the time, that is not our way.

excuse my ignorance but was his name jihad then?

I would like you to show me From Quran and authentic Sunnah where it tells us to disobey rulers in foreign lands and I'll show you the exact opposite

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

We are talking about somethnig we dont compromise to bro.

 

[NoName55]

We are talking about somethnig we dont compromise to bro.

in light of what? Quraan And Sunnah?
I don't think so sister


anyway I'm out of this thread
Ma'salaama

 

[tomtomsmom]

Yes times do change, but it doesn't mean we have to change with them. Islam says to abide by Truth, even if the whole world says otherwise, in the end we will have to answer to our Rab, not to society. As Muslims we take lesson from the stories narrated in the Holy Quran. Sadum (Sodom) was an evil society that openly practiced some of the most vehement sins collectively, but the Prophet Lot (alaihi salam) was a righteous person who did not give in to society, even when it endangered his very life. He put his trust and faith in Allah, and sure enough he was among the few who was granted protection when Allah destroyed his entire civilization. We Muslims must be apart from this world, we must be different and a model of piety. We cannot simply change with the time, that is not our way.

Are you seriously comparing a prophet to a innocent child that has no protection? It would be nice to believe that faith alone would protect him. But then again if that were the full truth then muslims with strong faith wouldn't die of cancer or be murdered while sleeping in their beds. And if you can't change with time because it isn't your way then why are you sitting at a computer talking on the internet? That is changing with the times.

 

[Talha777]

excuse my ignorance but was his name jihad then?

I would like you to show me From Quran and authentic Sunnah where it tells us to disobey rulers in foreign lands and I'll show you the exact opposite

Brother I am not at all advocating disobeying rulers of foreign lands. I am simply saying that we cannot give in to societal pressures from the disbelievers. Societal pressures is one thing, rules in a foreign land are quite another.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

in light of what? Quraan And Sunnah?
I don't think so sister

Why u gettin fiesty, chill out please. Fix ur manners, then bother bringing up the Quran and Sunnah. Am i being mean and sarcastic? No im not.

 

[Talha777]

Are you seriously comparing a prophet to a innocent child that has no protection? It would be nice to believe that faith alone would protect him. But then again if that were the full truth then muslims with strong faith wouldn't die of cancer or be murdered while sleeping in their beds. And if you can't change with time because it isn't your way then why are you sitting at a computer talking on the internet? That is changing with the times.

Islam is not against technology, it can advance as far as it can, and we can take the benefit of it in ways which shariat allows. However, when society starts saying that you can't have names like Muhammad because its not acceptable to many disbelievers, that is a change which Muslims should not accomodate. How can a Muslim dare change his name of Muhammad, the name of the Seal of the Prophets (salallahu alaihi wa salam) because some people will frown on that. My own name is Muhammad, and my parents before I was born were debating whether to name me Muhammad or Ahmad. At that time in Canada the name Ahmad was relatively unknown, but people knew the name Muhammad and they advised my parents against naming me that. But their advice is what changed my parents mind, Subhan Allah, and they decided to name me Muhammad.

If people start physically assaulting children simply because they don't like their names, than I question whether those people need an excuse to be violent towards innocent ones. Its like saying to a Muslim child to give in to a bully when he demands him to eat a porkchop otherwise he may have to endure a severe beating. If the Muslim boy eats the porkchop, you can be assured the bully will find another way to provoke the boy so he can satisfy his bloodlust. Giving into bullying will not make it go away.

 

[tomtomsmom]

Islam is not against technology, it can advance as far as it can, and we can take the benefit of it in ways which shariat allows. However, when society starts saying that you can't have names like Muhammad because its not acceptable to many disbelievers, that is a change which Muslims should not accomodate. How can a Muslim dare change his name of Muhammad, the name of the Seal of the Prophets (salallahu alaihi wa salam) because some people will frown on that. My own name is Muhammad, and my parents before I was born were debating whether to name me Muhammad or Ahmad. At that time in Canada the name Ahmad was relatively unknown, but people knew the name Muhammad and they advised my parents against naming me that. But their advice is what changed my parents mind, Subhan Allah, and they decided to name me Muhammad.

If people start physically assaulting children simply because they don't like their names, than I question whether those people need an excuse to be violent towards innocent ones. Its like saying to a Muslim child to give in to a bully when he demands him to eat a porkchop otherwise he may have to endure a severe beating. If the Muslim boy eats the porkchop, you can be assured the bully will find another way to provoke the boy so he can satisfy his bloodlust. Giving into bullying will not make it go away.

This thread isn't about being named Mohammed. It is about being named Jihad.

I am not speaking of "people" as in adults. Children can be much more cruel than adults.

MY POINT IS: With so many people already discriminating against muslims for so many different reasons, why subject this child to one extra one?? It is senseless. You are turning this into muslims against the world and it isn't like that. It is a name. Just a name. Everyone has one. But if this name is going to hurt this child in the long run then it is worth giving him a different name. I think they should go with Mohammed. In my opinion that is a very good name. But you know what they say about opinions.........

 

[SilentObserver]

In the same programme he defended the terror attacks on the United States on September 11 2001, and on Bali in 2002.

Any person in a western nation caught glorifying terrorism, or supporting attacks against the country in which they live, should be jailed.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

This thread isn't about being named Mohammed. It is about being named Jihad.

I am not speaking of "people" as in adults. Children can be much more cruel than adults.

MY POINT IS: With so many people already discriminating against muslims for so many different reasons, why subject this child to one extra one?? It is senseless. You are turning this into muslims against the world and it isn't like that. It is a name. Just a name. Everyone has one. But if this name is going to hurt this child in the long run then it is worth giving him a different name. I think they should go with Mohammed. In my opinion that is a very good name. But you know what they say about opinions.........

^^Yea Muhammad is a good one, but that doesnt mean everyone likes that name. You say that probably because you like it sis, but not everyone thinks like you sadly. Well I know your a good person, so you wouldnt think like that But should we stop naming kids because people dont like it? I might like to keep a name that I like, but chances are not everyone will like it. Some people hate us because we are Muslim and a lot Muslims face assault. Does that mean we should stop being Muslim? Its the same concept sis, whether its a name or identity.

With so many people already discriminating against muslims for so many different reasons, why subject this child to one extra one??

Thats like saying I shouldnt raise my child Muslim because people already hate Muslims. So hes already being hated as a baby. Thats silly sis.

 

[tomtomsmom]

^^Yea Muhammad is a good one, but that doesnt mean everyone likes that name. You say that probably because you like it sis, but not everyone thinks like you sadly. Well I know your a good person, so you wouldnt think like that But should we stop naming kids because people dont like it? I might like to keep a name that I like, but chances are not everyone will like it. Some people hate us because we are Muslim and a lot Muslims face assault. Does that mean we should stop being Muslim? Its the same concept sis, whether its a name or identity.

Thanks sis!
But I disagree it isn't the same. A name is just a name. It isn't your faith. That is like apples and oranges.

 

[SilentObserver]

With so many people already discriminating against muslims for so many different reasons...

Muslims are not discriminated against any more than anyone else. Some like to say that they are, but it simply is not true.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Exactly sis, a name is just a name. I dont care what people think. If people will hate someone for a name, then that will only show peoples prejudices. Let their colors out in the open and we will stay as we are, Insha'Allah.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Muslims are not discriminated against any more than anyone else. Some like to say that they are, but it simply is not true.

^^She wasnt saying we r the only one. Please dont go off...
A lot of you guys have made it loud and clear.

 

[Malaikah]

The names Hitler and Stalin are banned, and in 2002 a Turkish couple living in Germany were denied permission to name their child Osama bin Laden.

LOL! OMG! ;D Who would name their son Osama bin laden! :rollseyes

Anyway, I honestly think they shouldn't name their son Jihad- it is something pretty tactless considering they live in a place where the word has evil connotations. If they lived in the middle east, then okay fair enough, go nuts, but honestly, why do they want to cause so much trouble for the child.

I'm not saying they should abandon all Muslims names, but seriously... think of the child!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Why the hell does it matter. If u like it, keep it.