Muslim parents Appeal Over Baby Named Jihad

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Well I think his name is just fine, a little strange to me, but just fine all the same. However I think with a name like that the child may find himself in some heated situations in the future, if he continues to live in a predominately non muslim country. I mean if a Christian boy lived in a Muslim country and his name was "Crusader" I think some people might find the name a little curious.

Then again who knows maybe (hopefully) by the time this boy comes to age Jihad (at least the one against other religions or people) wont have a need in the world and the boy will just have a kind of neat sounding name
 
I am so sick and tired of the hearing the stupid word "Islamist". It's just an attempt to water down our diin and make it just another "ism", like Buddh"ism", Hindu"ism", or Christian"ity". Utterly ridiculous.

MTAFFI, you have to realize that naming a child "Jihad" in a non-Muslim country is nowhere near the same as naming a child "Crusader" in a Muslim country. Whereas the Crusades were an attempted genocide aimed specifically at Muslims, the word "jihad" has nothing to do with the intention to harm others, regardless of what you may see and hear in the news about "jihadis" and Al Qaeda. If the people don't know the true meaning of the name Jihad, then that's their problem, not ours. Jihad sounds like a perfectly good name for a child.
 
I am so sick and tired of the hearing the stupid word "Islamist". It's just an attempt to water down our diin

Ameen brother, Ameen! I hope more and more Muslims realize that the disbelievers are constantly trying to divide us by classifying us into superificial categories like moderate, fundamentalist, extremist, radical, islamist, etc. Muslims need to resist the kafir divide and rule tactics and refuse to be given these labels.
 
I am so sick and tired of the hearing the stupid word "Islamist". It's just an attempt to water down our diin and make it just another "ism", like Buddh"ism", Hindu"ism", or Christian"ity". Utterly ridiculous.

How does calling Islam another "ism" water it down? Nevertheless, I agree with you, any orthodox Muslim is by definition an Islamist IMHO. Islamism is simply the misguided attempt by Western scholars to separate 'Islam the religion' from 'Islam the political ideology'. Such a separation is of course artificial. Yet, I don't see how you think that waters down Islam.

MTAFFI, you have to realize that naming a child "Jihad" in a non-Muslim country is nowhere near the same as naming a child "Crusader" in a Muslim country. Whereas the Crusades were an attempted genocide aimed specifically at Muslims, the word "jihad" has nothing to do with the intention to harm others, regardless of what you may see and hear in the news about "jihadis" and Al Qaeda. If the people don't know the true meaning of the name Jihad, then that's their problem, not ours. Jihad sounds like a perfectly good name for a child.

I disagree strongly. "Crusader" is a word that has the same problem as "Jihad". In that has a double meaning of both "striving for" and "holy war".

Look at the dictionary definition:
  1. capitalized : any of the military expeditions undertaken by Christian powers in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to win the Holy Land from the Muslims
  2. a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm

Unless speaking in a historical context, the word "Crusade" is hardly ever used anymore to refer to an actual religiously motivated Holy War. It has little religious meaning unless it is in relation with "The Crusades". As such, a crusader, does in todays Christian context hardly ever refers to the Crusades that took place in the Middle ages.

I also disagree with your attempt to define Jihad as a defensive doctrine and the Crusades as offensive. It is historically inaccurate to describe the Crusades as "an attempted genocide". The goal was very clear to recapture the Christian Holy Lands from Muslim rule. The first definition from the dictionary says at much. I think it's unfair and incorrect to portray the Muslims as an innocent religion that had to defend themselves against the unwarranted attacks of genocidal maniacs. Lets not forget that Muslims conquered almost half of the Christian world, including its most holy places! Now, I would agree the Crusaders were in general brute and with little regard for life, but it is fallacious to think the Crusades were unprovoked.

I also disagree that 'Jihad' has nothing to do with an intention to harm others. It has everything to do with harming those who are perceived enemies of Islam! Surely, you accept that meaning of the word as well? All religious scholars and important Islamic websites also use that meaning! Islam-qa.com very clearly explains the four different kinds of Jihad:
http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=20214&ln=eng&txt=Jihad
... jihad is of four kinds: Jihad al-nafs (jihad against one’s self), jihad al-Shaytaan (jihad against the Shaytaan), jihad against the kaafirs and jihad against the hypocrites.

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Jihad against the kaafirs and hypocrites is of four kinds: with the heart, the tongue, one’s wealth and oneself. Jihad against the kaafirs is more along the lines of physical fighting whereas jihad against the hypocrites is more along the lines of using words and ideas.

This is not an insignificant meaning of jihad as for example Islam-qa.com uses it frequently. Unsurprisingly, kafirs are most interested in the Islamic ideas of "jiahd against the kafirs". Many Muhajedeen, who consider us their enemies, use it frequently when they address us or their fellow Muslims.
 
Assalamualaikum,

At the end of the day, the child suffers. Why cant they name the child something more acceptable like "Muhammad"? Its not like a sunnath to name the child "Jihad". Sometimes, i wonder why we want to create unneccesarily problems of ourselves.
 
I think the parents have a right to name their child 'Jihad'. I don't think it is smart, nor in the interest of the child, but it is their right.
 
MTAFFI, you have to realize that naming a child "Jihad" in a non-Muslim country is nowhere near the same as naming a child "Crusader" in a Muslim country. Whereas the Crusades were an attempted genocide aimed specifically at Muslims, the word "jihad" has nothing to do with the intention to harm others, regardless of what you may see and hear in the news about "jihadis" and Al Qaeda. If the people don't know the true meaning of the name Jihad, then that's their problem, not ours. Jihad sounds like a perfectly good name for a child.

Is Jihad, in certain aspects, not specifically aimed at "non Muslims" or "disbelievers" or the "Kuffar"? Then what is the difference? Not to mention Jihad is going on today, the crusades that occured hundreds of years ago are not. Also you may be sick of the "ism"s and the "ist"s but I am sick of being labeled a Kuffar or a disbeliever just because I dont follow Islam. I believe in God so I am not a "disbeliever" I am a Christian, so how about just call me a Christian. Also the word Kuffar needs to just flat out stop, it is a derogatory term and shouldnt be used any more than any other racial or religious slur.
 
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Also the word Kuffar needs to just flat out stop, it is a derogatory term and shouldnt be used any more than any other racial or religious slur.

How can we forbid the use of a word which Almighty God Himself has spoken?

سَنُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرُّعْبَ بِمَا أَشْرَكُواْ بِاللّهِ مَا لَمْ يُنَزِّلْ بِهِ سُلْطَانًا وَمَأْوَاهُمُ النَّارُ وَبِئْسَ مَثْوَى الظَّالِمِينَ

Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (3:151)
 
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Is Jihad, in certain aspects, not specifically aimed at "non Muslims" or "disbelievers" or the "Kuffar"? Then what is the difference? Not to mention Jihad is going on today, the crusades that occured hundreds of years ago are not. Also you may be sick of the "ism"s and the "ist"s but I am sick of being labeled a Kuffar or a disbeliever just because I dont follow Islam. I believe in God so I am not a "disbeliever" I am a Christian, so how about just call me a Christian. Also the word Kuffar needs to just flat out stop, it is a derogatory term and shouldnt be used any more than any other racial or religious slur.

maybe you shoud tell that to christianity since you guys were using terms as infidel and so on.
 
infidel in the bible:

2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

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1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

so you should ban your bible, since infidel and kaffir is the same thing. :) lets see if you stay a man of your word or back down or make an excuse saying nooooooo infidel and kaffir isnt the same!
 
incase u become desperate and say kaffir and infidel arent the same, the word kaffir means unbeliever, the word infidel i just quoted from the bible is called apistos in greek the language of the NT, apistos translated english becomes infidel, the meaning of apistos means:

1) unfaithful, faithless, (not to be trusted, perfidious)

2) incredible

a) of things

3) unbelieving, incredulous

a) without trust (in God)


so an infidel is the exact same word as a kaffir, unbeliever. so you said the word kaffir must stop etc, so go stop your bible first, clean your own frontyard first.
 


How can we forbid the use of a word which Almighty God Himself has spoken?

سَنُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرُّعْبَ بِمَا أَشْرَكُواْ بِاللّهِ مَا لَمْ يُنَزِّلْ بِهِ سُلْطَانًا وَمَأْوَاهُمُ النَّارُ وَبِئْسَ مَثْوَى الظَّالِمِينَ

Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (3:151)

I doubt that Allah meant for the word to be used the way it is today, in a derogatory sense
 
so you should ban your bible, since infidel and kaffir is the same thing. :) lets see if you stay a man of your word or back down or make an excuse saying nooooooo infidel and kaffir isnt the same!

Sami

I love how you tried to get people to argue or fight with you (doesnt seem to islamic to me) but anyhow, maybe you didnt catch my last line of my post so let me repeat it for you it is a derogatory term and shouldnt be used any more than any other racial or religious slur. Infidel, in my opinion, is also a religious slur, it has the same meaning as Kafir so I think it too should not be used. However, I dont see the term infidel used very much by any Christians anymore and if I do I will tell them the same as I have said in my post. You know, the term "Heathen" could be used in place of infidel, it to me is actually very much the equivalent of Kafir or Kuffar, since Kuffar is an islamic term and heathen is an english term. These are both considered to be derogatory whereas infidel is not, so how about this, from now on when I hear a Muslim call a Christian a Kafir I will call that Muslim a heathen! Is the term heathen offensive to you? It would be to me, just as Kafir is!

ALSO JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU, SINCE I KNOW YOU LIKE TO TWIST AND DISTORT, I HAVE NEVER CALLED A MUSLIM A HEATHEN, INFIDEL OR OTHERWISE AND I NEVER WILL, BECAUSE IT IS DISRESPECTFUL AND WRONG TO LABEL ANYONE
 
Kafir means unbeliever, non Muslim. What does that mean? Someone who doesnt believe. does that really sound derogatory? So if someone calls me a unbeliever, should i take it offensively? No, i wont. why? cuz i am! i dont accept Christianity, why should i be offended. Shall i call u believer then, even though u dont believe in Islam? I think infidel doesnt even exist in the arabic language...could be wrong tho. Infidel is a Westerm term, not Muslim.
Hmm well we r off topic neway :X
 
Kafir means unbeliever, non Muslim. What does that mean? Someone who doesnt believe. does that really sound derogatory? So if someone calls me a unbeliever, should i take it offensively? No, i wont. why? cuz i am! i dont accept Christianity, why should i be offended. Shall i call u believer then, even though u dont believe in Islam? I think infidel doesnt even exist in the arabic language...could be wrong tho. Infidel is a Westerm term, not Muslim.
Hmm well we r off topic neway :X

Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning an unbeliever, a person who hides, denies, or covers the truth. In cultural terms, it is a derogatory term[1] used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, a Muslim of a differing sect, or an apostate from Islam. It is usually translated into English as "infidel" or "unbeliever".

And again I will say, Heathen means the same thing, is it then OK to call you a heathen?
 
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I doubt that Allah meant for the word to be used the way it is today, in a derogatory sense

You are correct. Certain muslims have taken it upon themselves to use it as a curse. Shameful really.
 
You took that from Wikipedia :giggling: Go ahead call me a heathen, not going to change my beliefs :giggling: Im not offended in the least. If you have true faith in your religion, no word that u find cruel or derogatory will affect u. I personally dont care what you call me. Ill stay how i am :D

Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.
 
You took that from Wikipedia :giggling: Go ahead call me a heathen, not going to change my beliefs :giggling: Im not offended in the least. If you have true faith in your religion, no word that u find cruel or derogatory will affect u. I personally dont care what you call me. Ill stay how i am :D

Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.

I call no one a Kafir or heathen or infidel, I was just making an example. Good for you though not being offended, apparently I am not as thick skinned as you since the word is actually offensive to me. Your last sentence is also very true and I appreciate you posting that, if only everyone thought like that maybe the word wouldnt be just tossed around like it is.

Anyways back to baby Jihad, I think someone said above that this will cause more trouble for the little kid than the name is worth, too bad the father cares more about his personal agenda than the welfare of his own child. But again I will say, he has the right to name his kid whatever he wants, or he should at least
 

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