I’m American….Shhh!! Don’t tell!

snakelegs said:
you know - this is really B.S. and a load of crap.
i am as bad as a terrorist because i happen to have been born here?
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No, you are as bad as a terrorist because you call yourself American. You give your allegiance to a country that slaughtered so many innocents, and for that you are as bad as a terrorist.

yes - i am aware that this country was founded on genocide as well as slavery. i know no other country - what do you expect me to do? sit in a corner and be miserable and guilt-ridden for crimes i had nothing to do with? commited by the kind of people who wouldn't even give me the time of day?
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No. I expect you to not call yourself American. To do so is an insult to justice.

if you have made these kind of people turn you into a person eaten by hate - i guess they've been victorious.
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I hate the genocidal criminals who stole everything they have from my people. Hating criminals is not giving them victory; it is giving those of us that recognize criminals a motivation to do justice.

loving my country is not the same as loving what my government has done and is doing even as i write.
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Your country is full of people that don't care in the least what their government has done. My people are portrayed as the villians in almost every movie they're in. The few history books that actually acknowledge us as the victims are not taken seriously; apathy is very widespread among Americans.

Loving your lifestyle is completely different from loving your country.
 
Count DeSheep said:
I am not a conventional Native American. I do not focus on membership of individual tribes, but rather on supporting the Native cause. I am not an officialy recognized member of any tribe, although I had a grandparent that was full Apache and a great-great-grandparent that was full Choctaw. I do not call myself American, as I can never be a part of that group. I am not a genocidal, self-interested capitalist. Americans, for the most part, are.



I do not live in the past, I live in the present. I live in the time where there are few that actually care about my people. The Americans will never give us back another inch of land, they will never care about us being in poverty or anything. Not unless we gain some kind of advantage over them. There are a few Americans that realize exactly how horrible the crimes of America are, but not enough to get anything done. We must be self-sustaining. If we want something done, we must do it ourselves.
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:rollseyes ....Those genocidal, self-interested capitalists are the reason you are free to state your opinion on any issue on an internet forum. The point is not to forget the past, but to work towards a better future. The way of life of my people is over. It isn't coming back. The only solution is to accept the situation we find ourselves in and stop being the victim. It isn't easy being a defeated people, at least physically, but working with the American people, of which we are a part, is the only way to truly make a difference in our community. Hatred and apathy is the surest way to make sure nothing will change.
 
Count DeSheep said:
No, you are as bad as a terrorist because you call yourself American. You give your allegiance to a country that slaughtered so many innocents, and for that you are as bad as a terrorist..

No. I expect you to not call yourself American. To do so is an insult to justice.
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what makes you think i run around saying "i'm an american, i'm an american."
i am a human being first and foremost. because i was born here i love my country - this doesn't mean i'm a raving nationalist or think americans are superior or anything like that. i don't "call myself" an american - i was born here, just as surely as you were. there is much to be ashamed of but there is also much to be grateful for. first and foremost, i love the land itself - its deserts and mountains, it's wildlife etc etc. and not the flag.

I hate the genocidal criminals who stole everything they have from my people. Hating criminals is not giving them victory; it is giving those of us that recognize criminals a motivation to do justice.

Your country is full of people that don't care in the least what their government has done. My people are portrayed as the villians in almost every movie they're in. The few history books that actually acknowledge us as the victims are not taken seriously; apathy is very widespread among Americans.

Loving your lifestyle is completely different from loving your country.
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yes, many could care less - not only about crimes we have committed in the past, but crimes that we're committing right now. but, just like your people, we are not all alike.
i would support an attempt at reparations to native americans, as well as to black americans (who were actually promised 40 acres and a mule, that never happened).
p.s. believe it or not, i am not a genocidal capitalist pig, or a criminal terroist. i just fell out of my mother on this soil and it is all i know.
remember - most of the immigrants were fleeing the same kind of people who oppressed yours and had nothing to do with what was done to the native american people.
if you want to hate - well, that's your business.
 
Salaam/peace

few comments from the main site:


a guest: please stop


i'm canadian. please stop pretending to be canadian before people really catch on and just start hating us too.

we'd file a class action lawsuit for defamation but that wouldn't be very canadian, would it.


if you want to say you're from up here, change your name to gordon or julie-francoise, buy a good coat, learn some god**** manners and start filling out the northwest territories.

good luck.


February 28, 2007


..a few years ago, within days following the invasion of Afghanistan, while walking a street in a poor, shabby and tough looking neighborhood in a Thai village.



A rather rough looking fellow, quite a bit younger, heavier, and in a hellova lot better shape than I, abruptly confronted me on the street and, in loud, clear and adequate English (I do not speak Thai) demanded to know, "Hey, are you American?"



I reflected on the plausible claim that I might be Canadian (my mother and father were both first-generation Americans, both of their families, Anglo and Franco, having emigrated from Canada), or South American.


I speak, or once spoke, the language well enough that while living or traveling in CA and SA I have often been mistaken for anyone but an American. "De donde es? De que país viene?" And they would suggest Puerto Rico, Cuba, or one of the other nations which might explain the accent they could not place.

But, rarely would they suggest Norte America!

But, I reflected, I've been an America leopard too long now to start trying to change my spots, and I’ve trod the path of peril as an American before, playing the role of the Armed American tourist, so why back down and deny my nativity now, in the face of one man, no matter that he could probably beat the siht out of me with one hand.



I stepped back slightly, adjusted my inner demeanor to a "come on, do it... if this is what it costs, send me the bill..." attitude, curled my fingers and placed my feet in a way a young Marine Corporal had taught me one day, stared into his eyes and said, "Yes, I'm an American!"



Before I had any chance to defend myself, this heavily built young man launched himself at me, wrapped his arms around my body, pulled me close and jamming his head into my shoulder, almost sobbed, "Oh, I am so sorry for you... your country is at war once more. I am so sorry."


Well, that was some time ago, there has been a lot of water over the dam, and George Bush has flushed a lot of hard, well-earned and heavily-paid-for goodwill down the toilet since then.



I frankly do not know how I would handle a similar situation today. It has not been a problem. But, I will not start staying inside the house, nor buy a gun, nor carry a club. Been there, done all of that, and there are too many Americans out there doing just that right now.



And, that's been the problem all along, Ms Long...

a guest: ...


Apparently ,George W Bush had not left the shores of the USA,prior to taking office.


It goes to show that the American's are being led by an insulated,ignorant fool.

A case of "the blind leading the blind".


February 28, 2007

a guest: just under half????? yeah right.



i would put the percentage of British people as anti american much higher, maybe just under 50% before 9/11 but now i has to be at least 75% of the man of the street.


I would say nearly all dislike brash arrogance and always have, its observed most in comments of hollywood films re-writing history, and the US opinion that they single handedly won both world wars.



.....After hearing some yank ask a receptionist in a hotel in Canada once, "What's Canada day? Is that like the fourth of July?"


you can see what's wrong :enough!:



I was tempted to tell him, "That's the day Canadians celebrate not being yank!"

The receptionist was too polite to say anything.




Arvy: Good one, but ...

"That's the day Canadians celebrate not being yank!"
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... the way things are going here at the moment, with "GWB MiniMe" at the helm, I'm not sure there's going to be much left to celebrate in a few more years.




February 27, 2007



It is good to see American intellectuals like Jessica Long pondering the reasons for their nation's extreme unpopularity in the world-community.


However, she hasn't got to the root of it yet. She thinks it's about American cultural isolation, but that's only part of it.


There have been other isolationist cultures which the rest of the world has loved, like Tibet for instance.


What she, and most Americans with professional careers don't seem to understand, is how immature and adolescant-minded most Americans generally appear to be in other people's eyes.


a guest: A memory


a few years ago, pre Bush, my spouse and I were happily living in Germany.


One of my in-laws came to visit us, the woman is from the hinterland. We tried to take her to museums, galleries, beer gardens, etc. but she only wanted to go to shops to buy kitsch and postcards.


It was really embarrassing to listen to her tell the clerks "I'm from AMERICA..." always expecting a reaction from people who have seen enough Americans to last them 10 lifetimes.


At one shop after the "I'm from America" sing-song, she added "but I'm German, my last name is Schmidt".



The man behind the counter took a look at her and asked her "Were you born in Germany?" "No I'm from America", "Do you speak German?" "No, in America we speak English..."

he replied "You're not a German, you're just another American in Germany" he then walked away not even interested in cashing her out.



To our great relief this episode ended her cute little girl spiel and sing-song. She was under the belief that everyone loves Americans and wants to live in America.

She expected Oooohs and Aaaaahs, but got none. "Geeeez they don't like Americans very much here..."



This memory brings a smile to my face each time I relate it.




 
strider said:
Would you rather live in the past or the present looking forward to the future?
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This was responding to the Genocide --> America comment. Not, of course, what the thread is about, but I thought the quoted response above is the key issue for the 21st c. It will be the difference between Regional/World War & relative peace.

Perhaps the thread could be on topic?

I welcome the new American member. I'm Canadian, and I've noticed both ill will and good will toward Americans since I began travelling throughout the world in 1990. I lived in Japan, and it was generally favorable toward Americans, despite the fact that they were nuked, suppressed, starved, beaten, and occupied. I think the PsP is a kind of revenge.

They like Canadians too. Many do, but we aren't perfect either.
 
Amazing some one who is too ashamed to show where is from calls people terrorists because of where they live. (Lives in XP, what a sad case)
 
Re: I’m American….Shhh!! Don’t tell!

The Americans living in Malaysia have no problems calling themselves Americans, because Malaysian Muslims dont hate Americans (they just hate Bush and his gang).

So, if any of you americans coming here... just be proud to call yourselves as Americans.

It's nice to see many Native Americans interested in a Muslim forum.
 
Typical Americans, so proud of their country and beat their cheasts with rhetoric like "I'm a proud American!!" and "If you ain't with us, you're against us". But when it's convenient for them, all of a sudden, they're not so proud to be American. I know this isn't the case with all Americans, but I imagine the majority of them are like this.
 
Salaam/peace



Liibaan said:
Typical Americans.... beat their cheasts with rhetoric like "I'm a proud American!!"
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---haha, have u seen anyone doing
this ? :giggling:

and "If you ain't with us, you're against us".
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---it's really unfortunate that Americans elected Bush again as their leader . But when i see website like '' Sorry World , we tried '' created by an young Amercian & so many sad faces telling us that not ALL Americans are proud of their President & they don't support the killing of innocents , it's hard to condemn ALL or most Americans.


But when it's convenient for them, all of a sudden, they're not so proud to be American..
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--- Few years back , while travelling in India , suddenly a person came & asked me ' Are u a Muslim' ? I got nervous & many incidents of riot , Muslim killing in India came in to my mind & for 2/3 seconds i thought should i say no ,
i'm hindu .


Well , as i was not alone , i answered yes , i m a Muslim. I m not sure if i was alone there , what could be my answer.

 
Why would you want to say you're from Canada? I'm not proud at the moment to be an American and I cringed each time my husband would tell the cabbies in Cairo that I was from Amreeka, but still...if I were gonna make something up I think we could do better than Canada. :)

Actually to be honest, when people would ask me directly in Egypt where I was from I said I was Irish and Polish. Which is true. I'm 1/2 Irish and 1/2 Polish. I didn't kill any native americans. I'm not THAT old. lol.
 
Re: I’m American….Shhh!! Don’t tell!

doodlebug said:
Why would you want to say you're from Canada? I'm not proud at the moment to be an American and I cringed each time my husband would tell the cabbies in Cairo that I was from Amreeka
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This is so weird..... is it a problem calling yourself an American in Egypt?
 

Salaam/peace;


Yanal said:
I am a canadian and i live in vancouver
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--hello little bro ,

what's ur advice for Americans who said they are Canadian ...is it ok for them to do so :statisfie or u object :enough!: ?

 
well i think it is not okay for them to call them selves canadians and also i don't think americans that think islam is a terriosm religon are worthy to be canadians becuz canada well respects islam and it is the only country that doesn't hate islam but i can't object or be mean because allah is recording everything but whatever happens is allahs wish and allahs wish iswhat happens:w:
 

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