Which religion is closest to Islam?

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Which religion is closer to Islam?

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PurestAmbrosia said:
I am glad to have made you "right" for the day MR. Keltoi
Be that as it may... History is history... and religion is religion...... if one influenced the other in a way that isn't compatible with how you practice, then what can I say except--You should follow your version what you conceive to be true of the events.

Each soul is held in pledge of its own deeds. And contrary to what you say, I have no need to prove anything. It really is inconsequential to how I practice or what I believe. I just like people to back up their whims with historical evidence, instead of speaking from the rear on whom they consider a heretic but not provide a clear proof of why or how!-----
peace!
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Perhaps that is your "history", but I'm not going to hijack the thread in order to counter your post as it has been explored in deph in other threads.
 
indeed... However there is no my history or your history unless we are talking about the personal affairs of ones life! There is a sequence of events as they happened independent of what is compatible with how you practice...
There is nothing more on this I wish to impart, and I know how you enjoy having the last word so don't let my disinterest at this stage deter you!
peace!
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
A little history on what happened before things got out of hand!
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All I said was that the early Christians were not gnostics. Actually, I think your post supports that thesis. The early Christians were all Jews and Jews also were never gnostics.

So, to get back to the topic of the thread, if in Abwan's view it is the gnostic Christians who are closest to Islam, then it would be some of the later Christians (of the 2nd and 3rd century), not the earliest Christians (of the 1st century) that he wants to reference. And if what he meant was that it was those Christians that were the earliest (and then closest to the time of Christ) that would be the closest to Islam, then all I was saying is that they are not gnostic. Indeed, other than their views regarding Jesus, they would hardly be discernable from any other Jewish assembly for the first decade or so.
 
Dear Grace Seeker:
it wasn't your post that I was commenting on or even Keltoi's for that matter!
 
thirdwatch512 said:
also, islam is close to the baha'i faith in the sense that both religions fast(although at different times), and they both prohibit drinking and gambling, and they both believe mohammad as a messenger.
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Slight correction- the baha'i faith is close to Islam. And it should be, it actually started as a sect of Islam and then somehow became its own religion.
 
north_malaysian said:
Actually for us, the early christians were Muslims.... :D
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Yes, by your understanding. But it didn't take long before they were corrupt.:omg:

If we are to believe Peter's sermon in the book of Acts, it was nearly immediate. Already within weeks of the "supposed" cruciFICTION, Peter is telling the story as if it were fact. And not only that, but Peter is encouraging other Jews to go so far as to worship Jesus, and the other disciples are all going along with it. In fact, at this time, Paul would be the only one who was even close to practicing Islam, as he wanted to have those Jesus worshipping Christians arrested for blasphemy.
 
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I think, if the Christians were to adhere to their Bible in the way we adhere to the Holy Qur'an, there would be many many similarities, more than any other religion. A friend of mine once told me if a devoted Christian were to read his Bible in Hebrew and Aramaic (the Old Testament and Psalms) and then the New Testament in Greek, he would likely see how the Truth of Christianity only points towards the Final Message which is Islam :Alhumdill

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Actually for us, the early christians were Muslims.
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I have heard this many times. What historical evidence is there from the first century is there to support this claim?
 
i think christinanity becuz they have almost same stuff as islam




Wa Salaam
 
nvm i spelled it corectly sorry again for disturbing this thread once again
 
Adam and Eve were Muslims, Abraham was a Muslim, Jesus is a Muslim.....
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Without historical evidence to support such claims, all I see is statements based on wishful thinking. I could just as well say, without having to provide any evidence, that Adam and Eve came from Mars, that Abraham was a Martian as well as Jesus.
 
To be Muslim to is to submit yourself to (G-D)... all who do fully are Muslims......
sure you can say they are from MARS or Venus or Jupiter... in a few days I might even see new evidence on fox stating that all the above parties had nothing to do with the middle east but have all in fact have come from France or Belgium... and they are about to release them from their tombs... hmmmmmmmmn---who cares really? the sequel and prequel to the Da Vinci code ....

Their will, their heart , their deeds and most importantly their souls don't lie with you... They lie with the creator!

peace!
 
:sl: brothers and sisters

Hello Sinner,

All the Prophets, from Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them all, were upright Muslims for many reasons.

First and foremost they worshipped and submitted themselves fully to Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala and no one else. Secondly, they taught the people they were sent to worship no one except Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, and many of them (the Messengers, peace be upon them) taught the revelations of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala as they were revealed by Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala (for example: Musa alaihis salam, taught the Tawrat, Dawud alaihis salam, taught the Zabur, Isa alaihis salam taught the Injil, and finally, Muhammad salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam taught the Qur'an, which is the final and eternal Word of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala).

Many of these Prophets, peace be upon them, performed beautiful miracles, but only by the Divine Will of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, and all of the Prophets and Messengers, peace be upon them all, were outstanding people, unshakable in Iman, and fearful of nothing and no one except Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala as Allah Subhanahu wa Wa'ala is to be feared.

I hope this helps, but insha Allah I do recommend you do more study about the Deen of Islam, and, insha Allah, it will all make sense to you soon enough. :sunny:

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala guide us all and keep us on His path, the Only Path, Ameen.
 
north_malaysian said:
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The term "Muslim" is applicable to all from Adam & Eve's time till today. Even Non Muslims were Muslims before they're born.
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This is a statement of Islamic faith. It may be true (I'm sure you think it is); it may not be true (I know many who would not think it true of them). But neither position can be tested to be verified.

What Sinner is asking is, apart from a statement of faith, what evidence (again that is not faith based) is there to show that the early Christians were Muslim.

When in another thread I said that I was a follower of Islam because I submit to Allah, others said that I was not because of certain evidences that they want to see that they assumed they would not see in me. So, you have the testimony of the Qu'ran and/or the hadiths regarding these beliefs that Adam, that Abraham, that the early Christians were all followers of Islam, because by your belief system they had to have been. But beyond the Qu'ran and the hadiths, beyond your belief system, what evidences do you see by which one would make that judgment?

Put it another way, any non-Muslim that understands the basic teachings of Islam can see in a true follower of Islam evidences in their very behaviors that would convict them of being a Muslim if it were against the law. What evidence would a non-Muslim prosecuter be able to find to present to a non-Muslim jury to convict Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and the early Christians of being followers of Islam?
 
Grace seeker nice statement:

Put it another way, any non-Muslim that understands the basic teachings of Islam can see in a true follower of Islam evidences in their very behaviors that would convict them of being a Muslim if it were against the law. What evidence would a non-Muslim prosecuter be able to find to present to a non-Muslim jury to convict Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and the early Christians of being followers of Islam?
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For a criminal conviction it takes evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. so to convict a person of being a Muslim you would need to show that the person believes in a sufficient amount of the following that when presented with the evidence there is no way they can honestly claim not to be a Muslim.

Believe in One God(swt) the same God(swt) as believed by Abraham(PBUH) and all of the Prophets(PBUT).

Believe in the Angels and all the Prophets (PBUT)

Believe in giving to charity

Believe in a day of Judgement

Believe in a resurection to eternal life in Either Heaven or Hell.


You know if you keep saying things like that you just might be convicted. Now, how are we going to get you to say the Shahadah?
 

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