Deploy troops in Iran...!

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samah12 said:
Surely this is the crux of the problem in Iraq now, there are no good strong leaders coming forth to unite and lead the nation back to stability. And lets be honest who would come forward, they would be assassinated within a week by one side or the other. My worry is that US wants to 'help' select and approve of a new Iraqi leader - why? Are the Iraqi people not capable of choosing their own? It really is time for US and UK to butt out.
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Like you say, but it's pointless untill the occupation leave. It'll be conflict no matter what. Though call me a pessimistic sod, but I do sometimes wonder if the US have fuelled the shia sunni rivalry to use it to their beenfit so as to claim they have to remain as long as possible.

Food for thought that.
 
Our people will find a solution inshallah. And yes i dont think war in with iran is possible.
 
We individuals should start with our own personal sins before pointing out sins of others, get knowledge(not only of Islam), practice Islam, then turn to your closest family, friends and so on, after that we can talk about resurecting The Caliphate, atm muslims are as far away from Islam as they've probably ever been.
I see no point trying to push for Sharia in muslim countries if the majority of population lacks basic knowledge of Islam or just generally ignorant. We should push for islamic knowledge foremost, dawaah brothers and sisters, especially among ourselves, defeat jahiliya(spelling?) and then defeat your enimies.

And stop playing blaming games, when you're weak - there're always gonna be parties wanting to take advantage of your self-inflicted weakness.

sorry for my english
 
deen_2007 said:

your right sis...but...we may learn and teach our children....but its the opposite that create conflict & force war! i still feel we all r helpless....wat exactly can we do? .... muslims dnt even stick by muslims (countries)...so what will us individuals do? :'( :'( :'(
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We will pray, we will try to live good lives and provide good lives for our children. On the day of judgement we will stand alone and only be accountable for ourselves.

Of course we can also email our governments and tell them enough is enough, elected governments are answerable to the people but they have forgotten that, maybe it is time we reminded them.:)
 
samah12 said:
We will pray, we will try to live good lives and provide good lives for our children. On the day of judgement we will stand alone and only be accountable for ourselves.

Of course we can also email our governments and tell them enough is enough, elected governments are answerable to the people but they have forgotten that, maybe it is time we reminded them.:)
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thanks sister...i needed that push to know what to do. ..... government wise. and as for the 1st statement...true...we need to think about things we will be asked about on judgement day...
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Like you say, but it's pointless untill the occupation leave. It'll be conflict no matter what. Though call me a pessimistic sod, but I do sometimes wonder if the US have fuelled the shia sunni rivalry to use it to their beenfit so as to claim they have to remain as long as possible.

Food for thought that.
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You are a pessimistic sod!!!!

I can agree in part, yes the west have poured fuel on the fire but I personally don't think it is so they can stay there longer, it is to destabalise the ummah so it is up to us not to let that happen. I can't agree that it is pointless until the occupation finishes, because the country need to see a strong leader emerge before the civil war will end. If a strong leader came forward it would be reason enough to make the occupation finish. Bit of a catch 22 really.
 
Khan-Ghalgha said:
We individuals should start with our own personal sins before pointing out sins of others, get knowledge(not only of Islam), practice Islam, then turn to your closest family, friends and so on, after that we can talk about resurecting The Caliphate, atm muslims are as far away from Islam as they've probably ever been.
I see no point trying to push for Sharia in muslim countries if the majority of population lacks basic knowledge of Islam or just generally ignorant. We should push for islamic knowledge foremost, dawaah brothers and sisters, especially among ourselves, defeat jahiliya(spelling?) and then defeat your enimies.

And stop playing blaming games, when you're weak - there're always gonna be parties wanting to take advantage of your self-inflicted weakness.

sorry for my english
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BRAVO. I couldn't agree more and your english is wonderful.
 
deen_2007 said:
thanks sister...i needed that push to know what to do. ..... government wise. and as for the 1st statement...true...we need to think about things we will be asked about on judgement day...
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I had never even thought to email the government until the Lebanese Israili conflict last year. I was so upset by it I sent emails to anyone I could find addresses for in the government. Did it change anything, no but I felt better because I knew I had a voice and if enough people use their voice governments eventually have to listen.
 
samah12 said:
You are a pessimistic sod!!!!

I can agree in part, yes the west have poured fuel on the fire but I personally don't think it is so they can stay there longer, it is to destabalise the ummah so it is up to us not to let that happen. I can't agree that it is pointless until the occupation finishes, because the country need to see a strong leader emerge before the civil war will end. If a strong leader came forward it would be reason enough to make the occupation finish. Bit of a catch 22 really.
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Well the only leader who will be accepted would have to be a US puppet. So a ''strong'' leader in that sense would never prevail, unless he formed his own government. But then look at what happened to Saddam (even though he was a brute) he stopped playing ball with the yanks, and he got booted out.
 
If should establish a caliphate. It should be used as a multi-regional advisory body. But other than that you shouldn't use it to attack or seclude people from around the world.

Since a world government is going to be established and Allah will forbid the entire Earth to be controlled by a single faith (unless they freely and not forced to follow that faith). And still he wouldn't them to be controlled by a faith. He would want them if they follow the same faith, to follow the same faith as individuals. When god sees you. He sees you as you, not as a group of people, but as you. You are you to god and no more. Believe what you will. You are free to do that by god. But god would want you to be you. Just as you should want god to be god.

Anyways like I said there will be a global government in the future. And that government will be federal and divided into sections. The one pertaining to the Middle-East can be called the new Caliphate if the people there wish it.

But I believe the caliphate would better serve as a democratic judicial society to better serve justice and international security like the christian international laws used by the U.N. Think of it as means to establish the foundation of Islamic law jurisdiction for each judicial branch in the region to follow. Sort of like supernational unit, but it pertains to law practices rather than the union of faith. You can still associate as a union of faith, but it is rather a union of justice.
 
like the christian international laws used by the U.N. Think of it as means to establish the foundation of Islamic law jurisdiction
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We(muslims) really lack that, thank God for UN christian-based laws
 
If Iran has captured the Sailors to exchange them for the Revolutionary Gaurds the Yanks captured in Iraq last week. They'll be waiting a long time.

Britain isnt Italy or Spain. We dont respond to that sort of behaviour.
 
I find this incident to be truly amusing, Iran as usual attempting to provoke a western country. I am not the least bit worried about any of it, Iran will release the hostages because they know that it would be an act of war not to, these men were not in Iranian waters, and have not been proven to admitting so, unless you want to trust the Iranian state run television. Iran is basically a disgrace to the world and will show once again they they just like to antagonize when they release the hostages soon I am sure, if they dont then they would recieve the paralyzing effect of the US, UK and the EU, I would be suprised if they would even be able to respond militarily
 
Why do u refer 2 the men as hostages? They are prisoners.
 
They are hostages. They were kidnapped from Iraqi waters at gunpoint.
 
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Its just a difference of opinion.

England refers to them as hostages because according to England, the sailors were no where near Iran. Where as according SATalha, they are prisoners because the sailors had no business conducting investigation in Iranian waters.

Both country's media want to justify their actions to their own people, so it doesn't matter what you call them. Until there is definite proof of why Iran took those sailors you can't call them either, or you'd just be making a guess.
 
'Escalation' fear

Dr Ali Pahlavan, the executive editor of Iran News - the only independent paper in Tehran - told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the "ultra conservative" Revolutionary Guard believed that Britain and the US needed to be challenged.

"This could be part of the strategy to challenge British and American supremacy in this part of the world - which is troubling, because this could lead to confrontation and this could be a trigger and could lead to escalation".

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has backed the British call for the personnel to be released, as has the EU.

The capture took place as the UN Security Council voted unanimously in favour of further sanctions against Iran for its refusal to suspend its nuclear enrichment programme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6495761.stm
 
These were servicemen acting in a lawful fashion with the consent of the elected government of Iraq and the express permission of the UN Security Council. If the hostages are "tried" in a kangaroo court, the political pressure to do something about it in the UK will become enormous. If they are harmed, then it is hard to see how anything less than a military resposne would be acceptible to the British electorate. This isn't child's play. The Revolutionary Guards will be making a big mistake if they push this past the tipping point.

Perhaps they are angry a former Al Quds commander defected to the Americans? That is just too bad. This isn't going to fix that..nor is it going to reverse the UN sanctions. If they aren't careful, we will have another Archduke Ferdinand incident.
 
I see a pattern. Sadly all the caucasians are ganing up on one side. But you fail to see the whole situtation.
 
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