Thank you very much for explaining that, I would hate to think that you would wish women and children murdered in the streets for a couple of decades. I understand your frustration, our UK troops are also being killed and our taxes are going to help pay for this mess. We know the scenario you put forward will never happen and we should pull out now, there are plenty of rich Arabic countries with stable governments that can build a new Iraqi government. The difficulty surely comes when the US and UK want a 'hand' in selecting the new government. It is time our countries pulled out and went about their own business.
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Thank you very much for explaining that, I would hate to think that you would wish women and children murdered in the streets for a couple of decades. I understand your frustration, our UK troops are also being killed and our taxes are going to help pay for this mess. We know the scenario you put forward will never happen and we should pull out now, there are plenty of rich Arabic countries with stable governments that can build a new Iraqi government. The difficulty surely comes when the US and UK want a 'hand' in selecting the new government. It is time our countries pulled out and went about their own business.
Iran shows video of British crew By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer
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TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian state TV showed video Wednesday of 15 British sailors and marines who were seized last week, including a female captive in a white tunic and a black head scarf who said the British boats had "trespassed" in Iranian waters.
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Britain called the broadcast "completely unacceptable" and said it was concerned that the statements from sailor Faye Turney were coerced. The British government earlier released what it called proof the boat crews were seized in Iraqi waters, and said it was freezing all contacts with Iran except negotiations to release them.
Iran's foreign minister said Turney — the only female captive — would be freed on Wednesday or Thursday, but British Prime Minister Tony Blair's office said it had received no confirmation of that.
The British military said its vessels were 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi waters when they were taken Friday, and it released what it said were the GPS coordinates that proved that.
Several hours later, Tehran broadcast the video on an Arabic-language satellite channel, along with a letter from Turney saying the sailors and marines were inside Iranian waters when they were captured.......
THE ARTICLE CAN BE READ IN ITS ENTIRETY HERE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070328/ap_on_re_mi_ea/british_seized_iran
You know what else really bothers me about this, I read this article and had a look at the video and some of the images and the Iranians are making this woman wear a headscarf. I wish we could take an Iranian woman hostage and make her wear typical western clothes. Maybe a miniskirt and tubetop.
42 minutes ago
TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian state TV showed video Wednesday of 15 British sailors and marines who were seized last week, including a female captive in a white tunic and a black head scarf who said the British boats had "trespassed" in Iranian waters.
ADVERTISEMENT
Britain called the broadcast "completely unacceptable" and said it was concerned that the statements from sailor Faye Turney were coerced. The British government earlier released what it called proof the boat crews were seized in Iraqi waters, and said it was freezing all contacts with Iran except negotiations to release them.
Iran's foreign minister said Turney — the only female captive — would be freed on Wednesday or Thursday, but British Prime Minister Tony Blair's office said it had received no confirmation of that.
The British military said its vessels were 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi waters when they were taken Friday, and it released what it said were the GPS coordinates that proved that.
Several hours later, Tehran broadcast the video on an Arabic-language satellite channel, along with a letter from Turney saying the sailors and marines were inside Iranian waters when they were captured.......
THE ARTICLE CAN BE READ IN ITS ENTIRETY HERE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070328/ap_on_re_mi_ea/british_seized_iran
You know what else really bothers me about this, I read this article and had a look at the video and some of the images and the Iranians are making this woman wear a headscarf. I wish we could take an Iranian woman hostage and make her wear typical western clothes. Maybe a miniskirt and tubetop.
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If Labour wins, iran will be bombed, they are puppets to the U.S, they will head off to iran, just like they took their luggage to iraq and afghanistan...
War against iran results in a proper war! Not like fighting against the afghans who have merely a minute amount of weapoins compared to the U.S...Iran will fight back, and when they do, it wont do any of us any good living here in the UK...
Firstly expect it to be a WW3 like scenario, oil prices will rise to an extreme level, most of the oil supply will be wiped out, as is the case in iraq if the current situation persists...$100's will be what you'd expect to pay for oil, that is how scarce it will get, civil war here it comes...
Iran wont be a push over, war will become reality for most of us, and thats a fact. People supporting the bombings of iraq and afghanistan will in my honest opinion not think in the same line if they're country were to actually get bombed back, to destruction so to speak....Against Iran, this is a major possibility....no push overs i say, no push overs.
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Somehow we need to learn that our desire to help, is not always helpful. As much as we believe we know what is best, we often don't and we need to know that the sending of money, food and resources does not mean it will go for the intended people or used for the intended purpose.
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You will pardon me, perhaps, but I think that is completely naive. Do you really think the Saudis or the Kuwaitis want to take on that problem? Even if they had the will, they lack the military resources to do it. Nor would they have credibility with Iraqi Shia.
Look what happened with the recent UK pullout from Basra. There aren't any Sunni to speak of so the different Shia factions are fighting each other in the street. That is not a good sign.
The US may well pull out...then we will see what uninhibited violence and brutality looks like. It will make Bosnia look like a picnic. Who do you think will bring in gasoline? Who do you think will run the utilities? Food distribution will fail. The UN or relief agencies wont be able to do anything. Iraqi Army and police units will factionalize. Ugly to contemplate. The only good news is we wont have to watch it on TV because it will be too dangerous for reporters.
Yeah..let's pull out now.
If Labour wins, iran will be bombed, they are puppets to the U.S, they will head off to iran, just like they took their luggage to iraq and afghanistan...
War against iran results in a proper war! Not like fighting against the afghans who have merely a minute amount of weapoins compared to the U.S...Iran will fight back, and when they do, it wont do any of us any good living here in the UK...
Firstly expect it to be a WW3 like scenario, oil prices will rise to an extreme level, most of the oil supply will be wiped out, as is the case in iraq if the current situation persists...$100's will be what you'd expect to pay for oil, that is how scarce it will get, civil war here it comes...
Iran wont be a push over, war will become reality for most of us, and thats a fact. People supporting the bombings of iraq and afghanistan will in my honest opinion not think in the same line if they're country were to actually get bombed back, to destruction so to speak....Against Iran, this is a major possibility....no push overs i say, no push overs.
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I think you are a little crazy if you think attacking Iran would cause this kind of crisis. The US military could easily bomb Iran to pieces, Iran may think because the US has 100,000 in Iraq that we are now somehow pushovers. The US have 2,000,000 ready to fight, any day of the week, the US also has the most advanced and capable military in the world. If a real war were to erupt Iran would be left in shambles, they wouldnt be blocking the oil Strait, they would be hiding in the ground just as Saddam was, remember all his big talk? The worst things that would happen would probably be global suicide bombings, embassy bombings, etc., but even this wouldnt last to long, because I think the majority of the Muslim world has to realize Iran is asking for it
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Crazy i maybe, but last i checked nuclear power vs nuclear would = a heck of a lot of nuclear damage! 2,000,000 ready to fight? Or would that be the 'button pressers'....i shall say no more. Worst things you mention...ever thought how this could turn out to be WW3? smoke on that for now me ol' codger
Sorry I wasn't trying to be naive, I was trying to be sarcastic. Sometimes you have to know when to quit, if people bite the hand that feeds then what else can we do. Look at the long bloody history of the conflict in Ireland, the very people that asked us for help ended up killing women and children with bombs to get us out - sound familiar? Look at Bosnia, we went there, and soldiers died, to stop the slaughter of the Muslim people but we ended up being blamed (and there is no oil in Bosnia so that old excuse won't work).
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mg: G.W.Bush whachyou doin in LI ? first clean up the mess in Iraq OKAY :raging:Woodrow
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Crazy i maybe, but last i checked nuclear power vs nuclear would = a heck of a lot of nuclear damage! 2,000,000 ready to fight? Or would that be the 'button pressers'....i shall say no more. Worst things you mention...ever thought how this could turn out to be WW3? smoke on that for now me ol' codger
The 2,000,000 active duty military is about right. that is the number of American Soldiers now on active duty. However nearly all of the American Forces are on duty in the US. We have nearly 200,000 currently on duty here in Texas alone. Plus each of the 50 States does have military Bases. the 100,000 currently on duty are just a small fraction of the total US military.
I do not want American forces in Iraq, but the facts are they are not putting any strain on the military and if something did happen and all out war did occur there are roughly 1, 900, 000 active US soldiers curently on duty that can be directed to any point Congress approves.
At the moment there are about 100,000 actively in Iraq, with 83,000 more on stand by, just being immedialty available if Congrss approves of them going to Iraq.
Source for Numbers: http://www.doublestandards.org/usmilitary.html
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To be honest, Iran is just asking to be beaten.
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Well TahhhDAHHHHHH!!!! with infinate added exclamaition marks.
The Candidates included and include to this day, anti west , yank hateing , Brit bashing troops out now..let the market slaughters win Bone fide extremeists. Check the current Iraqi governmet , its social and political mix and it's veiw on the west.
To research that would take 5 minuites. i'm sorry but yours is a very very sloppy statement, utterly unresearched and pretty much typed , i would venture out of ignorance.
Try Investigating the Iraqi elections a little. Know their make up and party stances, before posting something like that. I might as well type "the sea is made of custard! Because I Have been told so!"
As to democracy needing to be voted in. Umm ..... It ...just ...has...been...By the Iraqi's or did your state TV tell you something different?
Sheesh, it's very late here , and i dont want to explain democracy to you, ecpecially if you havnt known it. It could take a while.
As to it needing to be voted in, umm.. ACW, ECW, French Revolution, Roman Senate, Byzantine councils. History is very interesting, and im sure you'd like it. No democracy has been voted in without the nuts who want to kill evrything around them first being defeated. Not in Britain, nor America, nor Iraq.
In summary, just do a minute bit of research, or go to Iraq and ask Iraqis if you really want to know.They dont want us there, they are glad we came initially, they want peace, they want us to die and they want unification.
Easier answer : Sharhia law. :enough!:
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You seem condescending about Shariah law. I suppose you are an expert on it?
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If knowledge were a requisite for criticism of Sharia law, there wouldn't be much condescension towards it...
I'm not saying that barney is being condescending towards it.
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That's true.
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I have a smattering of knowlage on Sharia. I was actually saying just that Islams Fixed Islamic Laws would be a interesting shock to western politically correct and self anylitical laws, if they were implemented.
I was drawing a line under the statement that The West constantly beats itself up wather it is being tolerant enough. Islam simply has to follow the word of God.
I was drawing a line under the statement that The West constantly beats itself up wather it is being tolerant enough. Islam simply has to follow the word of God.
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all right u guys r going off topic iam Deleting ur post....i keep 4geting iam not a mod. Anyway watever military power da u.s hav it doesnt matter. They hav already shown that they cant take care of a few turbaned taliban fighters n those militias in iraq. Wat will they do wit a beter organised iran
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Really? You war hungry individual you!! :skeleton:
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Don't say that. They'll tell you Iran will be ready with catapults and spears because only the US/UK have proper arms. :rollseyes
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