Deploy troops in Iran...!

[MTAFFI]

Whatever the case and whatever the U.S is capable of, i realy dont want to see it happpen in Iran. I know that they are prolonging this and taking the****. But lets hope the U.S and U.K dont have to flex their muscle again. We will see what happens?

This we agree on, I do hope that the situation does not escalate to far

 

[ACC]

Whatever the case and whatever the U.S is capable of, i realy dont want to see it happpen in Iran. I know that they are prolonging this and taking the****. But lets hope the U.S and U.K dont have to flex their muscle again. We will see what happens?

The USA's strength is in traditional war. Like most other great powers throughout time, they tend to find more difficulty fighting an invisible enemy that easily blends in with the surroundings. Beating up the Iranian military would be much easier, although not necessarily easy, than an underground force.

 

[SATalha]

The USA's strength is in traditional war. Like most other great powers throughout time, they tend to find more difficulty fighting an invisible enemy that easily blends in with the surroundings. Beating up the Iranian military would be much easier, although not necessarily easy, than an underground force.

I understand what you are saying. Do you think that is the reason why they are having problems with the Taliban? coz they are an enemy that blends in the background? I still think that Iran will be a difficult case, they seem more organised and dont think that Khamini has not been planning a face of.....its just a matter of years. :enough!: I realy hope it doesnt happen

Just a quick question do you guys think that their will be protests like the way their was for the war in Iraq? If so how intense do you think they will be? coz i think this time their will be RIOTS

 

[Muezzin]

The USA's strength is in traditional war. Like most other great powers throughout time, they tend to find more difficulty fighting an invisible enemy that easily blends in with the surroundings. Beating up the Iranian military would be much easier, although not necessarily easy, than an underground force.

Interesting how underground forces that are hard to beat are demonised, hmm? I actually find the absurdity of it funny. You have Goliath crushing opposition in an inherently unfair game, but when David doesn't play by his rules, certain of Goliath's supporters cry foul.

I'm not saying you're one of these people, it's just something I've observed reading around the subject. It's something that happens throughout history, and in everyday life. Blame your opponent for exploiting your weaknesses... In everyday life, I call that passive aggression. Again, I'm not saying you're one of these people or anything, just commenting.

Just to clarify in case I get arrested: the 'Davids' in question are guerilla troops who aim at military targets, not civilian ones. Target civilians and you're scum in my book.

 

[MTAFFI]

Interesting how underground forces that are hard to beat are demonised, hmm? I actually find the absurdity of it funny. You have Goliath crushing opposition in an inherently unfair game, but when David doesn't play by his rules, certain of Goliath's supporters cry foul.

I'm not saying you're one of these people, it's just something I've observed reading around the subject. It's something that happens throughout history, and in everyday life. Blame your opponent for exploiting your weaknesses... In everyday life, I call that passive aggression. Again, I'm not saying you're one of these people or anything, just commenting.

Just to clarify in case I get arrested: the 'Davids' in question are guerilla troops who aim at military targets, not civilian ones. Target civilians and you're scum in my book.

I dont think anyone it is saying it is unfair to fight in this way, but I think what is actually being said is Iran couldnt fight this way because everyone would be a fair target. Also lets remember these people are not actually hiding underground, they are hiding in civilian areas, are they not just as scummy as the ones targeting civilians?

 

[barney]

I diddnt say we should attack Iran. I think that would be wrong. Morally and Practically.

As I said before you can only call it a occupation if you want to parrott the media.
A Occupying force is only such if it's asked to leave and it dosnt leave. We have been asked to STAY.

The majority of Iraqi's want us in country till the Iranians Syrians Egyptians and Palastinians etc etc stop blowing their schools hospitals and markets up. Therefore the attack was a Liberation.

It's not so easy to argue against this eh?
Best just stick in the safe zone of what your told and say lalalalalala-not listening to some ...pretty basic..facts.

Now the Majority of iraqi's do want the blasting apart of their children to stop. (surprisingly enough)
So if the "Resistance" would like to oblige with that, the coalition allies will leave .

Hey! I just solved the problem. Simple huh?

 

[doodlebug]

The US is not in Iraq to be at war with Iraq, the US is in Iraq to help stabilize the country,

Well then I think we should give ourselves a big fat F seeing as how a once pretty stable country is now in shambles. :rollseyes

there is no way to tell the difference between friend and foe.

Which is why Bush should listen to Congress and get the heck out of dodge! As Pelosi said, "there's a new Congress in town"

Now let me say, I hope Iran starts to think more clearly and in the interests of their people so that this does not have to happen. I am positive that not all in Iran want a war with the US and it would be a tragedy for so many people to have to die just because of the arrogance of their government.

Are you serious??? It's no secret that US has had plans to invade Iran in a while and that the UK is the US's puppet. (no offense the the Brits here but c'mon!). That being said, OF COURSE Iran is going to take these people who were in their waterspace to interrogate the heck out of them! And if you think they weren't in that waterspace for anything other than to spy and prepare for the future war I have a bridge in Brooklyn.

Turn the tables...if it were Iranian's in UK waters do you think for one millisecond they wouldn't have been taken in and interrogated??? Forget if it were US waterspace they'd be already wearing the orange jumpsuits in Guantanemo!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

in response to #1
Is Iran not invading as well by sending this "resistance"? and how is it a resistance to occupation of ones country when the resistance is not even from the country being occupied?

in response to #2
they simply will not have nukes, one way or the other they can either stop the attempt or someone will eventually step in and stop it for them

1 - Shia are a majority in Iraq, and Iran is shia. - They are their people so they will defend them. US Irish sent money to the IRA, US did nothing to curb this yet they funded the IRA who killed many English people in England. Did you stop it? No, you encouraged yet stupid stupid Balir forgets that and jumps on the bandwagon with you lot.

2 - We shall see what happens. They will have them either way.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I diddnt say we should attack Iran. I think that would be wrong. Morally and Practically.

As I said before you can only call it a occupation if you want to parrott the media.
A Occupying force is only such if it's asked to leave and it dosnt leave. We have been asked to STAY.

The majority of Iraqi's want us in country till the Iranians Syrians Egyptians and Palastinians etc etc stop blowing their schools hospitals and markets up. Therefore the attack was a Liberation.

It's not so easy to argue against this eh?
Best just stick in the safe zone of what your told and say lalalalalala-not listening to some ...pretty basic..facts.

Now the Majority of iraqi's do want the blasting apart of their children to stop. (surprisingly enough)
So if the "Resistance" would like to oblige with that, the coalition allies will leave .

Hey! I just solved the problem. Simple huh?

So you keep saying...

Did you see the iraqis stating iraq qas better under saddam? They didn't see death on a daily basis as they do now.

GO LEAVE, GO GO GO LEAVE LEAVE GO HOME - Jane Fonda says the same!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

But I am from the west, what do you expect? LOL j/k

Indeed. - I'm just waiting for a knock on my door so I can be arrested for treason or a ''terrorist'' supporter lol

*Hides under bed*

 

[wilberhum]

US Irish sent money to the IRA, US did nothing to curb this yet they funded the IRA who killed many English people in England. Did you stop it? No, you encouraged

Care to back that lie up?

 

[Trumble]

That being said, OF COURSE Iran is going to take these people who were in their waterspace to interrogate the heck out of them!

Again, it has been proved that the Brits were NOT in their waterspace and hence that the Iranians are lying. They couldn't even get the lie right, first time. Please refer to my previous post.

It was a criminal act of kidnapping and piracy.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Care to back that lie up?

It's a well known fact. Though I'm not surprised you'd deny it....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm

It happened to you on the 9/11th and boy did it hit home eh. You reap what you sow! Hundreds of English died during the 70's 80's & 90's!!


Rich friends in New York

Their cause has always been a united Ireland, but much of the cash that funds republican groups comes from the United States. So how will they fare amid the new crackdown on terrorism?

It took the attacks on 11 September to bring the full horror of terror attacks home to many Americans. And their sense of outrage is compounded by a feeling that this is a war on terror that cannot be won easily

 

[barney]

So you keep saying...

Did you see the iraqis stating iraq qas better under saddam? They didn't see death on a daily basis as they do now.

GO LEAVE, GO GO GO LEAVE LEAVE GO HOME - Jane Fonda says the same!

I beleive the well know Geo-politician Miss Dynamite also agrees.
Now far be it from me to suggest that we shouldnt take our forign policy from respected Actresses & Hip-Hop singers, but I would give more credence to the Iraqi people than popular entertainers.

Saddam certainly hid the killings, but they are there. 350,000 lying under the sand. Nice of him to not show the death, Just people vanishing in the night.

Iraq certainly was better under Saddam. They diddnt have Iranians Jordanians and Palastinians blowing themselves to paradise and killing as many as they can as they go. (They can apparently kill the Iraqi muslims , since they are "apostates"). Baghdad had over 12 hours a day of electricity. Since the heroic baby killing resisters are swarming in, no matter how fast the Brits and Yanks kill them, they just keep on shutting down the power. And the Iraqi's Brits and Yanks keep on fixing it.

Just as a aside...Can I ask you as a supporter of the massacres taking place in Iraq,....In the long term what do you think relationships between Iraq and their neighbour will be like? When Terrorists have finally killed enough Doctors and Teachers and Toddelers, Do you think that the Iraqi's will just forget what their neighbours did?

 

[wilberhum]

The Iranians are just doing what the Iranians do.
They kidnap innocent people on trumped up charges.
They will make threats; flex there muscles, and then let them go.
All they want to do is take focus off there funding and arming terrorists.

 

[wilberhum]

It's a well known fact. Though I'm not surprised you'd deny it....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm

It happened to you on the 9/11th and boy did it hit home eh. You reap what you sow! Hundreds of English died during the 70's 80's & 90's!!


Rich friends in New York

Their cause has always been a united Ireland, but much of the cash that funds republican groups comes from the United States. So how will they fare amid the new crackdown on terrorism?

It took the attacks on 11 September to bring the full horror of terror attacks home to many Americans. And their sense of outrage is compounded by a feeling that this is a war on terror that cannot be won easily

Thanks for providing a link to prove my point.

Sinn Fein was designated as a foreign terrorist organisation by the US State Department.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Thanks for providing a link to prove my point.

Sinn Fein was designated as a foreign terrorist organisation by the US State Department.

And? The Taliban were classed the same yet funded. This is my point. - You can't dance around it you know. The truth is out there....

 

[wilberhum]

And? The Taliban were classed the same yet funded. This is my point. - You can't dance around it you know. The truth is out there....

The truth is out there and there will always be people like you who will pick up on the 1%, ignore the 99%, and say "See I told you so". If I ignore 99% of the information, I can make a case for anything. I see you can to.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I beleive the well know Geo-politician Miss Dynamite also agrees.
Now far be it from me to suggest that we shouldnt take our forign policy from respected Actresses & Hip-Hop singers, but I would give more credence to the Iraqi people than popular entertainers.

Saddam certainly hid the killings, but they are there. 350,000 lying under the sand. Nice of him to not show the death, Just people vanishing in the night.

Iraq certainly was better under Saddam. They diddnt have Iranians Jordanians and Palastinians blowing themselves to paradise and killing as many as they can as they go. (They can apparently kill the Iraqi muslims , since they are "apostates"). Baghdad had over 12 hours a day of electricity. Since the heroic baby killing resisters are swarming in, no matter how fast the Brits and Yanks kill them, they just keep on shutting down the power. And the Iraqi's Brits and Yanks keep on fixing it.

Just as a aside...Can I ask you as a supporter of the massacres taking place in Iraq,....In the long term what do you think relationships between Iraq and their neighbour will be like? When Terrorists have finally killed enough Doctors and Teachers and Toddelers, Do you think that the Iraqi's will just forget what their neighbours did?

I abore killing of innocents, yet it's you lot doing the killing too. Look what happened in Rwanda, Bosnia, and currently in Sudan. These are atrocities which we could have stopped. (SUDAN) but we don't.

Do you think i'm full of joy everytime i hear of an iraqi or a soldier killed? No. But you've made a grave mistake goinginto another country. And the world is not pleased. Look around even FRANCE said NO to the invasion.

 

[England]

Who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Ahmadinejad?

BRITAIN blasted Iran last night for parading our illegally-seized sailors on TV and humiliating mum Faye Turney.

The stand-off over the 15 British service personnel held by Iran intensified after Tehran warned that it could delay the release of Leading Seaman Faye Turney if Britain takes the issue to the United Nations.

Iran’s chief negotiator Ali Larijani warned that the British Government had “miscalculated” in its handling of the crisis - triggered by the seizure of the British personnel last Friday.

Downing Street made clear that it did intend to pursue the matter with Britain’s allies in the UN.

Tony Blair insisted: “There’s no alternative but to release them and the longer it goes on the more the pressure will be stepped up.

"I’m not interested in confrontation for its own sake, the most important thing is to get 15 personnel back safe and sound."

It came as France and the United States publicly supported Britain's position in the diplomatic stalemate.

The French Foreign Ministry summoned the Iranian ambassador to France to demand the swift release of the detained sailors.

"We reiterated our solidarity with the British and called on the Iranian authorities to free the detained sailors as soon as possible," spokesman Denis Simonneau said in a statement.

There was deep anger in Whitehall at the treatment of the 15 - particularly Leading Seaman Turney who was shown on Iranian television admitting that the Royal Navy party had “trespassed” into Iranian waters.

The spokesman said: "Nobody should be put in that position. It is an
impossible position to be put in."

Fuming Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said: “It is completely unacceptable to show these pictures.”

Larijani told state television: "The grounds were ready for the release of a woman among the British sailors but if we are faced with a fuss and wrong behaviour then this would be suspended and it would not take place."

Yesteday Britain proved that the Iranian mullahs are LYING when they claim they captured the Royal Navy team operating inside their waters.

Mrs Beckett hit back after footage of brave Leading Seaman Faye, 26, wearing a Muslim headscarf and praising her captors was shown on Iranian TV and beamed around the world.

She was forced on the orders of ranting president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to write a letter of apology to the Iranian people.

And the mum of one was ordered to write a letter to her parents — in which she says two small boats carrying 15 Royal Navy sailors and Royal Marines had entered Iranian waters.

Faye puffed nervously on a cigarette as she said on TV: "My name is Leading Seaman Faye Turney. I come from England. I’ve been in the Navy for nine years."

She says of her Iranian captors: “They were very friendly and very hospitable, very thoughtful, nice people.

"They explained to us why we’ve been arrested. There was no harm, no aggression."

Her letter to her parents, in which she also claims her daughter Molly will get a present from the Iranians, was faxed to the Iranian embassy in London and published. It reads:

"Dear mum & Dad,

"I am writing to you from Iran, where I am being held.

"I will try to explain to you what has happened. We were out in the boats when we were arrested by Iranian forces as we had apparently gone into Iranian waters.

"I wish we hadn’t, because then I’d be home with you all right now.

"I am so sorry we did, because I know we wouldn’t be here now if we hadn’t.

"I want you to know that I am well and safe. I am being well looked after. I’m fed three meals a day and have a constant supply of fluids.

"The people are friendly and hospitable, very compassionate and warm. I have written a letter to the Iranian people to apologise for us entering their waters.

"Please don’t worry about me, I am staying strong.

"Hopefully it won’t be long until I am home to get ready for Molly’s bIrthday party with a present from the Iranian people.

"Love you all more than you will ever know.

"All my love, Faye."

The televised interview is strictly in breach of the Geneva Convention.

Last night a body expert said Faye’s expressions showed she was "stressed and under pressure".

Pictures also showed some of the seven sailors and seven Royal Marine Commandos seized with Faye last Friday.

They were shown eating pitta bread and stew. In these scenes Faye wore a white and blue checked headscarf with her naval uniform.

In later footage, she wore a white robe and black headscarf. Footage of the moment of capture was also shown on Iranian television. The Britons are seen behind a flapping Iranian flag aboard an inflatable.

Mrs Beckett said: "I am very concerned about these pictures and any indication of pressure on or coercion of our personnel — who were carrying out a routine operation in accordance with international law.

"I am particularly disappointed that a private letter has been used in a way which can only add to the distress of the families. We have comprehensively demonstrated today that our personnel were operating in Iraqi territorial waters."

Defence Secretary Des Browne added: "It’s completely unacceptable to parade our people in this way. My whole focus is to secure the immediate release of our people."

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki last night insisted Britain must admit the boats strayed into their waters. He said Faye would be released "as soon as possible".

The lightly-armed Britons from the frigate HMS Cornwall had boarded an Indian merchant ship in the Shaat-al-Arab waterway off Basra.

As they left, two gunboats manned by Iranian Revolutionary Guards with machine guns and rocket launchers moved in. Four more Iranian boats then arrived.

Outnumbered and out-gunned, the Royal Navy team had to surrender.

Photos released yesterday showed an electronic GPS navigation system being held by a British helicopter crew member above the boarded merchant vessel. It shows that our two boats, one of them steered by Faye, were 1.7 nautical miles inside IRAQI waters.

It also emerged that the Iranians at first provided map co-ordinates showing the Brits in Iraqi waters — then sent new ones purporting to show them in Iranian waters.

Tony Blair told MPs the detention was “wrong and illegal”.

Iran has still refused to allow the UK ambassador to visit the crew.

Israel’s Deputy PM Shimon Peres warned an early release of the hostages was unlikely. He said: "They will make the maximum possible out of this." Faye’s husband Adam, a naval petty officer, was at home with their daughter Molly, three, in Plymouth yesterday.

Friend Kim Slater, 49, called the TV footage “shocking”. She said: "She looked very uncomfortable with what she was saying. There is something not right in her eyes."

Two other hostages have been named, Royal Marine Paul Barton, 21, of Southport, Merseyside, and Royal Marine Danny Masterton, 26, of Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2007140631,00.html