Ghosts Of Abu Gharib-yet Another Cover Up Story

[Keltoi]

If there is such a lack of "heroes" on the side of "insurgents", and those that give them lip service, that Zarqawi is given praise, then that says alot about the state of the "insurgency".

 

[MTAFFI]

You're country has taken a course that will ensure war until American Supremecy is acheived across the whole of the Earth. It is a war over oil and influence and it is unjust and the leaders who envisioned it are twisted. They will not be able to defend this country because they are making too many enemies of other countries. Even those who were their allies have discovered the lies and depravity, which brings us back to Abu Ghraib: What is it they've learned about how great and civilized America is? Oh yes, hazings rituals!

You're a free soul and you may think what you like, but you will never gain my agreement on these issues and if you'll excuse me... I have some bigger fish to fry today.

Ninth Scribe

Again your true ignorance shines through like the morning sun, America doesnt want to rule the world and doesnt want or need the oil in Iraq or the middle east for that matter. The US has the same enemies it had before the war. As far as your comment about hazing rituals, I suppose that is better than raping women that are found in public without men, better than beheading an innocent man, better than beheading anyone for that matter, better than our leader letting us live in poverty while he collects his oil check every month, better that state run television, better than blowing up women and children, better than publicized mass executions without knowing even the names of the people you are killing, better than killing children in car bombs, etc. You can concentrate on the flaws of the US, but at least the motives behind the flaws are for peace you cannot say the same for your friends behind the madness in Iraq, everyone makes mistakes it is how you correct the mistake that defines who you are or what you are, tell me how these people intend on correcting all of their mistakes. Fry that up with your big fish, I hope none of it is haram for you.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Again your true ignorance shines through like the morning sun, America doesnt want to rule the world and doesnt want or need the oil in Iraq or the middle east for that matter. The US has the same enemies it had before the war. As far as your comment about hazing rituals, I suppose that is better than raping women that are found in public without men, better than beheading an innocent man, better than beheading anyone for that matter, better than our leader letting us live in poverty while he collects his oil check every month, better that state run television, better than blowing up women and children, better than publicized mass executions without knowing even the names of the people you are killing, better than killing children in car bombs, etc. You can concentrate on the flaws of the US, but at least the motives behind the flaws are for peace you cannot say the same for your friends behind the madness in Iraq, everyone makes mistakes it is how you correct the mistake that defines who you are or what you are, tell me how these people intend on correcting all of their mistakes. Fry that up with your big fish, I hope none of it is haram for you.

Wow! Well this is better than your religious rant about who is and isn't fit to live in the world. Not sure what you're ravaging on about here. The U.S. was the one who attacked Iraq, not the other way around, and any **** fool knows if you back a dog into a corner, you're going to get bit. No worries now though. The two lands are bound together now. Fair is fair. I'm a firm believer in this rule: You get what you give.

That said, we shall both have to see what the summer brings us~~~~

Ninth Scribe

 

[snakelegs]

I am just saying that the enemy is the enemy and unless you know a way to retrieve the information without the use of creative means then I say do what you have to do. I expected someone to get fired up about this so I say sorry to any of those that i have offended with this but as I have said before, extreme times call for extreme measures. If these people can get the necessary information using these tactics and it will provide safety for me, I say use them, the people that they are getting used on are out to hurt me anyways.

from everything i have read torture doe not work as a way to get accurate information.
i think it is disgraceful and inexcusable that my country is involved in torturing human beings. i don't care what "the enemy" does - do we react by becoming the enemy?

 

[Muezzin]

I just watched the video on this, I must say I have a lot of hate right now towards some people. The man was a contractor and had nothing to do with the torture at Abu Gharib. People wonder why there is Islamophobia, gee maybe it is because people cut innocents heads off, broadcast the event, tell the parents bodies will continue to come back like this, and shout God is Great while they are doing it.

I was researching Islam and the Quran, but after witnessing this so help me God I will never touch that book again except to get rid of it :raging: :raging: :raging: :raging: :skeleton: :enough!:

You describe yourself as Christian but I'm not seeing much peace and love from that post.

In fact, everyone on this thread has to cool off. Go and sit on a whoopee cushion or something, eat a lollipop, take your kids to the park. Just make sure you calm down, everyone.

 

[snakelegs]

You describe yourself as Christian but I'm not seeing much peace and love from that post.

In fact, everyone on this thread has to cool off. Go and sit on a whoopee cushion or something, eat a lollipop, take your kids to the park. Just make sure you calm down, everyone.

i recommend blowing bubbles!

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

What are we commiting? I start this story long before 2001, which is why I mention embassy bombings. No one sold us out the arabs sell their people out for oil and wealth, our country protects us

Yes! Protection! WMD's! RUN for your lives!!!

 

[snakelegs]

our country protects us

do you really believe this? do you think u.s. policy has made us safer? do you think by causing more and more people (muslim and non-muslim) all over the world to hate us that we are more secure?

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

Protection(fear factor) coupled with revenge are the ground on which the support from the population for Iraqi war rests. Lofty promises and pompous words like Freedom, Democracy are only words.

Westerners don't want muslims to actually be democratic and free, in this case, they say - Saudi Arabia will choose Usama Bin Laden as their president.

They want us pacified and in-check, harmless and subdued - that's what population wants, rulers might have different things on their mind(the usual stuff - money,power,domination), but they are not mutually exclusive, so it works fine for everybody.:thumbs_up

 

[snakelegs]

you do not speak for me and neither does my government.

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

I'm talking in general, didn't mean disrespect to people who might think differently, I'm sure there is a lot of open-minded people in the west, but the majority isn't immune to brainwashing, unfortunately.

As Josef Gebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister said in 1930, "Any lie, frequently repeated, will gradually gain acceptance."

 

[Keltoi]

The goal of any government should be providing basic security for their people. That is the point of a social contract. However, unlike in the past, war doesn't always bring security. The means of killing mass amounts of people has become way too easy. In many ways our own freedom makes us, the U.S., U.K., Australia, etc, vulnerable. Unnecessary conflicts only make that danger more likely.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

from everything i have read torture does not work as a way to get accurate information.

Thank you! I thought we all got past the infamous Inquisition that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - for the sake of acquiring land. We should all keep that in mind. I have collected too many reports like the following:

Ninth Scribe

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

The goal of any government should be providing basic security for their people. That is the point of a social contract. However, unlike in the past, war doesn't always bring security. The means of killing mass amounts of people has become way too easy. In many ways our own freedom makes us, the U.S., U.K., Australia, etc, vulnerable. Unnecessary conflicts only make that danger more likely.

Something we can agree on. People support, tolerate it(or at least to a certain extant) because they are sure it's for their own security. As more muslims countries are under control as better you can sleep at night.
The problem is people think that Bush mishandled the pacification of Iraqis and might even worsened the situation, more muslims are ready to blow themselves up now than before the war they say.
Of course while bringing security to yourselves, looking like heroes wouldn't hurt either, that's why westerners keep talking about bringing democracy and freedom when in reality, if not the fear they wouldn't care if Iraqis live or die that is if they even knew that such a country exists.

 

[MTAFFI]

Wow! Well this is better than your religious rant about who is and isn't fit to live in the world.

You mean the extermist who kill the innocents in senseless acts of violence? No they dont have a place in the world. (However if you would like to put a link to wherever I said that I am sure it will indicate that I am not speaking to a religious group but a group that uses religion to justify its means)

Not sure what you're ravaging on about here. The U.S. was the one who attacked Iraq, not the other way around, and any **** fool knows if you back a dog into a corner, you're going to get bit. No worries now though. The two lands are bound together now. Fair is fair. I'm a firm believer in this rule: You get what you give.

That said, we shall both have to see what the summer brings us~~~~

Ninth Scribe

What I am ravaging on about here is in regards to the post I responded to, you speak of how no one likes the US, well go ahead give me the countries to feel this way. I am sure the countries you speak of are either ruled by a dictator (or something similar) or are in the middle east and are probably consumed in civil fighting. You speak of the US as if it is so evil, when the very countries you stick up for commit far more atrocites than the US could in a century, and the fact is if these atrocites were not commited in the first place you wouldnt be saying anything about the US, and if they were committed without US involvement you wouldnt say anything about the US or those commiting the acts. You advocate violence by justifying it

 

[MTAFFI]

do you really believe this? do you think u.s. policy has made us safer? do you think by causing more and more people (muslim and non-muslim) all over the world to hate us that we are more secure?

Yes I do, I dont think the policy is the best but I think we are safer without Saddam Hussein around, we are safer without a state run by terrorist (Iraq if we pull out) and we are safer without a nuclear Iran, so yes I feel safer. Also I dont believe more people hate us, I believe the same people hate us as before just more people talk about it.

 

[MTAFFI]

You describe yourself as Christian but I'm not seeing much peace and love from that post.

In fact, everyone on this thread has to cool off. Go and sit on a whoopee cushion or something, eat a lollipop, take your kids to the park. Just make sure you calm down, everyone.

I am like a Christian in that I believe the bible to be the true word of God, however I am not a follower of all the beliefs of any one particular faith, especially one where people shout GOD IS GREAT while beheading a contractor.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

You advocate violence by justifying it.

Yes, I do advocate violence. If someone invaded my country on a bogus mission and expected me to just bend over and take it up the -ss, just because they think they're better than us... there would be hell to pay. End of story.

As far as I can tell, it was't the Muslims who were running around like a bunch of wild dogs in heat. It takes a pretty sick mind to try to justify the deplorable state of misconduct at Abu Ghraib... that only served to add insult to injury, but you condone rape as much as you like. Zarqawi didn't, and Jill Carroll is living proof of that. When Sicily had to deal with the Bourbons, we answered that, Zarqawi-style and America loved us for it!

I expect any man who is a man to stand up against that type of crap! Or they don't deserve their women.

Ninth Scribe

 

[MTAFFI]

Yes, I do advocate violence.

Well we agree on that then

If someone invaded my country on a bogus mission and expected me to just bend over and take it up the -ss, just because they think they're better than us... there would be hell to pay. End of story.

Here is the problem, you think it was a bogus mission when in fact it was not. I didnt see any Iraqis very angry when the US first came to town, they were happy to be rid of Saddam, there were hardly any attacks, that is until the "insurgency" came to town, people then had to take things into their own hands. It isnt the US's fault that Al-Qaeda came to Iraq to cause instability, it is Al-Qaedas fault. Just think if it wasnt for those who came into Iraq to fight the US, the US wouldnt be in Iraq today. Iraq may have even become and Islamic state by now. So you are wrong in that you say the US came thinking they were better, you are wrong they came for a bogus missions, and I doubt if anyone was asked to take it up the -ss

As far as I can tell, it was't the Muslims who were running around like a bunch of wild dogs in heat. It takes a pretty sick mind to try to justify the deplorable state of misconduct at Abu Ghraib... that only served to add insult to injury, but you condone rape as much as you like. It changes nothing. When Sicily had to deal with the Bourbons, we answered that, Zarqawi-style and America loved us! I expect any man (who is a man) to stand up against that type of crap! Iraq: Do not give hem your daughters or your wives.
Ninth Scribe

First off, I dont condone "all" the acts purportedly carried out at Abu Ghraib, however if they have a known terrorist in custody I expect whatever needs to be done to be done. He is a terrorist and deserves every last minute of it, rape of women on the other hand, well I would not say it hasnt been done and I definitely DO NOT condone such a heinous act, and the majority of those who commit such an act are often caught and punished accordingly. Many of the allegations I believe are false, rape isnt hard to prove... I would say the people that are tortured at Abu and those like them, probably have raped 100 of times more women than those raped by any of the coalition forces.

I find you pretty sick for thinking what happened to that innocent contractor as justifiable. I wonder what you would think if the US troops just started cutting off prisoners heads with kitchen knives, I wonder if that is justifiable.

 

[wilberhum]

If someone invaded my country on a bogus mission and expected me to just bend over and take it up the -ss

I don't think Nick Berg Invaded your country.
How long have you lived In Iraq?