question for someone who knows egyptian arabic

[Ann]

Ok im still on my quest to learn modern standard arabic as well as egyptian arabic.. so someone pls tell me if these two things are correct

In egyptian arabic.. "tonight".. inaharda bilil ????
and ......"tell me".... ooleelee or is it ooleehee???

 

[yaso]

Asalamu aalekum sis,
Ya, what u wrote was correct
Well done, keep the good job

 

[back_to_faith]

Ok im still on my quest to learn modern standard arabic as well as egyptian arabic.. so someone pls tell me if these two things are correct

In egyptian arabic.. "tonight".. inaharda bilil ????
and ......"tell me".... ooleelee or is it ooleehee???

Greetings,

Being Egyptian,so think better to answer you in details to help you learn something in Egyptian accent .

1- innaharda billil means (today at night) ....
2- tonight means (billil) it consists of two parts (bi) which means here (at)
and (lil) which means (night).

3- Tell me means (olly) for if you talk to a masculin ,and (oleely) if you talk to a female.

note: the double consonants i wrote means you should stress the consonant like (billil) you should put stress on L....

hope it helps

 

[ژاله]

^jazakallah
brother isقاف pronounced as الف in egyptian arabic?
is egyptian arabic quite different from classical arabic?

 

[amirah_87]

innaharda billil means (today at night) ....

and also, what would that bit in bold mean?

Is it from An-Nahaar?

.. and deh? meaning as in Haadhaa/ This?

 

[back_to_faith]

^jazakallah
brother isقاف pronounced as الف in egyptian arabic?
is egyptian arabic quite different from classical arabic?

Yes sister It is right and this is one of the basic differences between Arabic-Egyptian accent and standard Arabic.

Actually it is said that the Egyptian accent is the softest accent of Arabic in the Arabic world and I agree totally with that...you ask why?
1-If we compare Egyptian accent with other accents we will find out that the Egyptian accent avoid the hard Arabic consonants which requires more efforts from the organs of speech than the other simple consonants!!! that is due to To be sure, Classical/Standard Arabic tends to be more conservative in its vocabulary and grammar, while Egyptian Arabic has been more open to influence by other languages, including Egyptian/Coptic (in the main), Greek, Turkish, Persian, Italian and French.

the following is from the wikipedia encyclopedia:

examples:
Egyptian/Coptic: ادي /ɪdi/ "give"
Italian: جمبري /gam'bari/ "shrimp" (IT gamberi)
Greek: برتقان /burtu'ʔaan/ "orange" (GK πορτοκαλί)
Turkish: أوضة /'ʔooḍɑ/ "room" (TK oda)
French: چیبة /'ʒiiba/ "skirt" (FR jupe)
English: يفاول - فاول /'faawil/ - /yi'faawil/ "to foul (in football)"




[edit] Vowels
The Egyptian Arabic vocalic system has changed relatively little from the Classical system:

4 short vowels: /a/, /i/, /u/ and /ɑ/

6 long vowels: /aː/, /iː/, /uː/, /ɑː/, /eː/ and /oː/ from the former Classical diphthongs */ai/ and */au/

Where Egyptian Arabic differs considerably is in vowel reduction due to changes in syllable shape. The distinction between short and long vowels is still phonemic, but only stressed vowels can remain long. Unstressed long vowels are shortened, and stressed short vowels lengthened.

Long vowels in closed syllables are reduced to their short version:

/ʔaːl/ "he said" + -/li/ "to me" (*/ʔaːlli/) > /ʔalli/ "he said to me"
Short vowels (especially /i/ and /u/), if unstressed in certain situations, are reduced to nothing (i.e. epenthesis):

/fiː/ "in" + /kiˈtaːb/ "a book" > /fi-ktaːb/ "in a book"
Both of these tendencies can work simultaneously:

/ˈsˁɑːħib/ (friend m.) + -/a/ "fem." (*/ˈsˁɑːħiba/) > /ˈsˁɑħbɑ/ (compare with Classical Arabic */sˁɑːħiba/)

[edit] Consonants
The Classical Arabic (CA) letter jīm ج (/dʒ/) denotes /g/ in most Lower Egyptian (i.e. northern) dialects, including the dominant Cairene dialect: e.g. /gabal/ for /dʒabal/ (mountain), /gamiːl/ for /dʒamiːl/ (beautiful), and so forth. To speakers of other varieties of Arabic, the pronunciation of this one sound is considered the quintessential marker of Egyptian Arabic. However, this pronuncation also occurs in certain varieties of Yemeni Arabic, namely the Yafi'i and Adeni dialects. The sound is also attested in ancient Egyptian and is thought to have been the original proto-Semitic pronunciation of the sound - e.g. corresponding to the letter gimel in Hebrew and Aramaic. Some therefore consider the sound in Egyptian Arabic to be a direct retention from ancient Egyptian or proto-Semitic, or it may be a secondary development from a palatal or palatalized /g/ ([ɟ] or [gʲ]), which is the Sa'idi pronunciation of the consonant south of Cairo in the Sa'id, or Upper Egypt.
The letter qāf ق (CA /q/ denotes a glottal stop /ʔ/ in Cairo and the eastern Delta. However, it denotes /q/ in the western Delta outside of Alexandria, and /g/ in Upper Egypt (the Sa'id), i.e. the consonant /g/ is represented by two separate original Arabic letters in Cairene and Sa'idi Arabic.
The letter θāʔ ث (CA /θ/) denotes either /t/ in ordinary words (e.g. tāni "second") or /s/ in classicisms (e.g. sanawiyya "secondary (school)")
The letter ðāl ذ (CA /ð/) denotes /d/ in ordinary words (e.g. danab "tail") or /z/ in classicisms (e.g. /ʔizaːʕa/ "broadcasting")
The letter ð̣āʔ ظ (CA emphatic /ðˤ/) denotes /dˤ/ in ordinary words (e.g. ḍuhr "noon" ) or /zˤ/ in classicisms (e.g. ẓāhira "phenomenon")
Egyptian Arabic maintains in all positions the early post-Classical distinctions between short /i/ and /u/ which become ktāb, jmāl, and xtār in several other dialects.:
kitāb "book"
gumāl "beautiful" (pl.) versus gimāl "camels"
ʔixtār "he chose", which is actually a contextual realization and the i may not phonemically be part of the word.



Negation
One characteristic of Egyptian syntax in which it differs from many other Arabic dialects is in the double negation of verbs: /ma-...-ʃ(i)/

Past: /katab/ "he wrote" /ma-katab-ʃ(i)/ "he didn't write"
Present: /ji-ktib/ "he writes" /ma-ji-ktib-ʃ(i)/ "he doesn't write"
This double negation is similar to French.

(Exception: Future: /ħa-ji-ktib/ "he will write" /miʃ ħa-ji-ktib/ "he won't write")

The double negation surrounds the entire verbal composite including direct and indirect objects:

/ma-katab-hum-liː-ʃ/ "'he didn't write them to me"


Characteristic words and sentences in Egyptian Arabicإزيك - ʔizzayyak? ("How are you [m.]")
إزيك - ʔizzayyik? ("How are you [f.]")
إزيكو - ʔizzayyuku? ("How are you [pl.]")
إيه ده - ʔeeh da? ("What's all this?", "What's the point", "What's this?" - expression of annoyance)
Ex.: (ʔinta) bitʔulluhum ʕalayya kida leeh, ʔeeh da? "Why are you telling them such things about me, what's all this?"
خلاص - xɑlɑɑṣ: several meanings, often adverbial
"Stop it!" Ex.: zihiʔt, xɑlɑɑṣ! "I'm annoyed, stop it!"
"It's over!", "finally, eventually" Ex.: ʔummi kaanit ʕayyaana wi-maatit, xɑlɑɑṣ. "My mother was ill and died finally." [or "...and it's over now."]
"Ok, then!" Ex.: "خلاص، أشوفك بكرة" "xɑlɑɑṣ, ʔaʃuufak bukrɑ" meaning "I'll see you tomorrow then"
خالص - xɑɑliṣ "at all"
maʕandinaʃ ħaaga nakulha xɑɑliṣ "We have nothing at all to eat."
كفاية - kifaaya! ("It's enough!" or "That's enough")
يعني - yaʕni ("that's to say" or "meaning" or "y'know")
As answer to إنت عامل إيه؟ ʔinta ʕaamil ʔeeh? ("How do you do [m.]?") (as an answer: "I am so so" or "half half" = "not perfect"): يعني إيه؟ yaʕni ʔeeh? ("What does that mean?")
إمتى هتخلص يعني؟** ʔimta hatxɑllɑṣ yaʕni? ("When are you finishing exactly, then?)
بقى - baʔa (particle of enforcement --> "just" in imperative clauses and "well,...then?" in questions)
.هاته بقى haatu baʔa! "Just give it to me!"
عمل إيه بقى؟ ʕamal ʔeeh baʔa? "Well, what did he do then?"





Hope it helps and I can give you more and more things regarding Arabic Egyptian If you like.

Peace

 

[back_to_faith]

and also, what would that bit in bold mean?

Is it from An-Nahaar?

.. and deh? meaning as in Haadhaa/ This?

Greetings:
You are right sister,
(innaharda billeil ) is 4 parts phrase !!!

1-Innahar means (the day) opposite of (Elleil) which means (the night).

2-(Da) means (this or that), It is the short,simple form of the original Arabic classical word (Haza) which means (this).

3- (billeil) has two parts: 1- (bi) which means lots of meaning in Egyptian accent among them (with,to have,at) here (bi) means AT. the other part is (leil) means evening. and (leila) means one night.

 

[ژاله]

Jazakallah brother very informative,
well i heard a word from egyptian arabic"isma3een ya 3ad/t"or something like this(dunno whether i m writing it properly or not)
plz tell me what does the 2nd part of the sentence mean?

 

[back_to_faith]

Jazakallah brother very informative,
well i heard a word from egyptian arabic"isma3een ya 3ad/t"or something like this(dunno whether i m writing it properly or not)
plz tell me what does the 2nd part of the sentence mean?

Greetings,
To guess the 2nd part of it we should know what is the 1st part means exactly:

1- isma3een is a name of a male ,it means (ismail) in standard arabic but in Egyptian accent it is isma3een, the reason for changing the L with N ,is the nature of the Egyptian soft accent,
because (اسماعين) is easier for the organs of speech than (اسماعيل) you ask why?

because the the last vowel in the word(ee) is followed by N (noon) and both of them close together in the mouth point of utterance while the standard Arabic (اسماعيل) the last vowel (ee) is followed by L which is not as close as the N inside the mouth and you need to press the tip of the tongue against the front of the roof of the mouth in order to produce L ,and that means much effort for the organs of speech.....
this interesting point ,you will find usually when you compare standard Arabic and Egyptian accent ......


2-ya 3ad/t is hard to know what exactly means it could be:

ye3di يعدى
(pass)
yasen ياسين
(name)

Did you hear it from TV or from real Egyptians?


peace

 

[amirah_87]

Greetings:
You are right sister,
(innaharda billeil ) is 4 parts phrase !!!

1-Innahar means (the day) opposite of (Elleil) which means (the night).

2-(Da) means (this or that), It is the short,simple form of the original Arabic classical word (Haza) which means (this).

3- (billeil) has two parts: 1- (bi) which means lots of meaning in Egyptian accent among them (with,to have,at) here (bi) means AT. the other part is (leil) means evening. and (leila) means one night.

Thanx for clearing that up.

Allah Yubaarik feek.

 

[Skywalker]

Eshta! An Egyptian Arabic thread!!

I've been living in Egypt for about 9 years now, but I still have trouble with a lot of words because I mostly talk English with my friends...
I know people who have lived here for only a year or so and know better Arabic than me

Anyways, there are some things that pop up in my head once in a while that get me confused and I always forget to ask people what they mean or how to say certain things, so I was hoping you guys can help me out with that.

My question for today is:

What is the difference between kallem and ekkallem? I've heard both of these given as commands, but I'm not sure which one is right or if both of them are right but in different situations.

Secondly, what's difference the between aabil (to meet) and etaabil?

I have a lot more questions where those came from...

Jazaakum Allah khayran

 

[back_to_faith]

Eshta! An Egyptian Arabic thread!!

I've been living in Egypt for about 9 years now, but I still have trouble with a lot of words because I mostly talk English with my friends...
I know people who have lived here for only a year or so and know better Arabic than me

Anyways, there are some things that pop up in my head once in a while that get me confused and I always forget to ask people what they mean or how to say certain things, so I was hoping you guys can help me out with that.

My question for today is:

What is the difference between kallem and ekkallem? I've heard both of these given as commands, but I'm not sure which one is right or if both of them are right but in different situations.

Secondly, what's difference the between aabil (to meet) and etaabil?

I have a lot more questions where those came from...

Jazaakum Allah khayran

Greetings,

Skywalker



Nice to read your post


kallem
means (talk to) which usually followed by (name or prounoun)

example:
kallem akhook (talk to your brother) kallem el ragel (talk to the man)
kallemoh (talk to him) ,kallemha(talk to her),kallemhom (talk to them), Ahmed kallemak(ahmed talked to you).


ekkallem or sometimes(etkallem) means: (talk) a command usually followed by nothing.... when you hear someone tell you (ekallem) means just (talk, or tell him anything).
sometimes we the command (ekkallem) in a rough situation when someone doesn't want to respond to you and you shout at him ekkallem (talk to me,let me hear ya....)
other situation ,when you home and someone responded to the phone not you and someone wants to talk to you on phone ,so the person who responded will give you the phone and tell you (khod ekallem) means (take the phone to talk to someone)

in sum ,the most case for the use of ekallem is a command from someone feels that you hide something and don't want to tell so he urges you to talk.... either in the form of encouragment or in angry way.




2-

(aabil)
is the past of (yeaabel) which means (to meet)


you can see the difference if you read the following:


(Mohamed aabil Ahmed) .

means Mohamed met Ahmed

(Mohamed etaabil maa Ahmed )

means Mohamed had a meeting with Ahmed.

they both similar meaning
you can use any ,and both right.

but
aabel should be followed by name or pronuon ,etaabil can never be followed by name or pronoun.

for example:

Ali aabil abooh (Ali met his father).
Ali abloh (Ali met him).
Ali abilha (Ali met her)
Ali abbilhom (Ali met them)
Ali ablak (Ali met you)
Ali aabelkom (Ali met you (plural))


some useful phrases for aabil:


awez aabloh (I want to meet him).

awez aablak (I want to meet you)

aablak fen? (Where can I meet you?)

abelto embareh.(I met him yesterday)

abelto elnahardah (i met him today)

haabolh bokra (I will meet him tomorrow)

haablak = (aablak) bokra (I will meet you tomorrow)



etaabil

usually used as follows:

Ali etaabil maa Ahmed. (Ali met Ahmed)

El gammah etablo ma Ahmed (the group of people met Ahmed).

netaabil ezay? (How can we meet?)

fe essekka yetablo (on their way they gonna meet)

netaabi bokra(we will meet each others tomorrow)

the last 2 examples are oftenly used in discussion.

Hope I helped

Allah yekhaleek

salam

 

[Skywalker]

Mashaa Allah, jazaak Allah khayran bro. That helped a lot. Now there's a less chance of people thinking that I'm a khawaaga when they meet me insha-Allah

Ok I have another couple of questions if u don't mind:

1) How do you say "her (female) friends"? For example, my sister's friends.
Is it as7aab ukhti or as7aabha -- this sounds like men. What's the right way of saying it?

2) Just a little follow-up on the "kallem" "etkallem" issue, how would you say, "he called this morning?" Is it "howa kallem el sob7", or "howa etkallem el sob7"?

3) Lastly, I have a LOT of trouble with masculine and feminine nouns. In english it's just "it", but in Arabic, everything is a "he" or a "she". So here are a few that I always get confused with:
-my stomach (batni) -- is it beyoug3ani, or betoug3ani?
-what about wag3a itself (pain) is it m/f?
-waraa (paper) some say haat el waraa da, and some say haat el waraa di. Which one is it?

Jazaak Allah khayr bro

 

[back_to_faith]

Mashaa Allah, jazaak Allah khayran bro. That helped a lot. Now there's a less chance of people thinking that I'm a khawaaga when they meet me insha-Allah

Ok I have another couple of questions if u don't mind:

1) How do you say "her (female) friends"? For example, my sister's friends.
Is it as7aab ukhti or as7aabha -- this sounds like men. What's the right way of saying it?

2) Just a little follow-up on the "kallem" "etkallem" issue, how would you say, "he called this morning?" Is it "howa kallem el sob7", or "howa etkallem el sob7"?

3) Lastly, I have a LOT of trouble with masculine and feminine nouns. In english it's just "it", but in Arabic, everything is a "he" or a "she". So here are a few that I always get confused with:
-my stomach (batni) -- is it beyoug3ani, or betoug3ani?
-what about wag3a itself (pain) is it m/f?
-waraa (paper) some say haat el waraa da, and some say haat el waraa di. Which one is it?

Jazaak Allah khayr bro

Salamoalikom




1-as7aabha means (her friends)

sahebha means (her friend(a masculine one)

sahbetha means (her friend (a female one)








2-"he called this morning? means "howa etkallem el sob7" and not howa kallem el sob7

why?

because (kallem) followed usually by (object) pronoun or noun

and oftenly by pronoun

example: kallemoh,kallemha,kallemhom

notice:

another thing came to my mind is to show a difference between :

(kallemoh) and (kallemtoh)


kallemoh means (he talked to him)
and is used if we talk about (he) who is not usually present.


(kallemtoh) means either:

1- I talked to him

example: (kallemt Ali)Did you talk to Ali?
(Ah kallemto) yes, I talked to him.


or
2-Did you talk to him?

example:
(Kallemtoh walla lessah)Have you talked to him or not yet?

ah kallemtoh. yes, I talked to him.






the following is the rule of the object pronouns with the verbs:


subject object

I me


ana ni or yah



examples:

(ana) as a subject:

I went to school

Ana roht elmadrasa


(ana) as object turns to ni which usually attached to the end of the verb:


Ahmed Kallemni embareh.(Ahmed talked to me yesterday)
you see that kallem (the verb) together with (ni) the object of (ana).


other examples:

Ahmed aabelni felbeit (ahmed met me at home).
ahmed erefni lamma shafni (Ahmed recognized me when he saw me)
Ahmed zarni embareh (Ahmed visited me yesterday)
Ahmed arafni geddan. (Ahmed made me so upset)
Ahmed gabli hedyah gameela.(Ahmed brought me a beautiful present)
Ahmed ghaddani ghadwa tamaam (Ahmed served me a good lunch)
Ahmed saaedni fi mehnety (Ahmed helped me in my bad trouble)
Ahmed darabni berregl we geri (Ahmed hit me with his foot and ran away)
Ahmed amelni ahsan moamlah (Ahmed treated me the best treatment)

but there some other exceptions depends on the kind of the verb

for example:

Ahmed leib maayah (Ahmed played with me)

Ahmed zaker maayah (Ahmed studied with me)

Ahmed safer maayah (Ahmed travelled with me)

taala maayah (come with me)


3) actually most the languages all over the world have 2 genders ,and you are lucky not to study German or Dutch which have 3 genders !!!!

my stomach (batni) -- is it beyoug3ani, or betoug3ani?


both are two right existed accents
1-betoug3ani is the common usuall accent to hear especially in north Egypt,cairo etc....
2-beyoug3ani is southern accent and may be some people in north use it,,,anyway it is rare and usually you hear betoug3ani.....

betoug3ani is grammatical correct because (Batn) means (abdomen or stomach) is a feminin noun in Egypt.

one nice rule i noticed in lots of female nouns is that the names which have the meaning of something is used to keep something in or put something in, or to rest in etc usually feminin nouns..


for example:

ezazah (bottle)

tallagah (fridge)

oodah (room)

elbah (packet)

hallah (pan for cooking)

shantah (a bag)

gazmah (shoes)

shasha (monitor)

and other feminin nouns etc...


Take care

barak Allah feek

 

[Skywalker]

Whoa! Very cool bro... you should be an Arabic teacher if ur not one already.

Again, that helped a great deal and I'm very thankful

I can't think of anything else at the moment, but I know I still have A LOT of questions, so I'm sure it won't be long until something else pops up in my mind.

Oh yeah, here's one...why do they call Egypt MASR? lol

 

[Skywalker]

I just remembered one:

"You (female) tell her." I personally have no idea how to say this. Uleelha? That doesn't sound right...

 

[back_to_faith]

I just remembered one:

"You (female) tell her." I personally have no idea how to say this. Uleelha? That doesn't sound right...

Salam alaikom


Mesr or (Masr) means in standard Arabic The place where you find the requirments for a living water,agriculture etc...)

so Egypt as a whole called Mesr ,,and Cairo due to the huge amount of population(about 20 Millions) sometimes people call it (Masr) not Alkahera.
because they consider it as a country itself!!!



you are right

"You (female) tell her) means

(olelha)


"You (male) tell her) means

(ollaha)


You (female) tell him) means


(oleelo)


"You (male) tell him) means


(ollo)



you will understand better such forms when I post you grammatical rules....


but don't you see how simple the Egyptian accent?

You (male) tell him (a phrase)
is uttered in one word (ollo)

barak Allah feek

 

[mohammed essa]

salam alikom
1st i want to say thax for this interesting topic
I am an egyptian guy and it is good to read that about our arabic dialect and other people who are interesting in learning it

and i can help you if you are confused in any thing

2nd and i want to thx my brother ( back_to_faith ) for this effort and for his explanations it was really great and i want to ask him how did you learn the egyptian dialect ?


finally anout the question of my bro skywalker why egypt is called masr ?
you should say why msar is called egypt ? as it was masr before it to be egypt haha
masr is its name in the arabic lang. but egypt is its name in english
really i dont know but
when a foreign person visits egypt the egyptian people ask him EGYPT ?
so we find that egypt can be classified in to
E+gypt ايه +جبت
ايه what
جبت brought
which means what did you bring with you to us from out side from gifts and presents ?

haha just for fun
thx again and salam

 

[Hemoo]

nice thread

موضوع جميل

 

[back_to_faith]

salam alikom
2nd and i want to thx my brother ( back_to_faith ) for this effort and for his explanations it was really great and i want to ask him how did you learn the egyptian dialect ?



when a foreign person visits egypt the egyptian people ask him EGYPT ?
so we find that egypt can be classified in to
E+gypt ايه +جبت
ايه what
جبت brought
which means what did you bring with you to us from out side from gifts and presents ?

haha just for fun
thx again and salam

Salam,

I'm originally from Egypt,and studied high course in standard Arabic as well...


Thank you for your funny post...