Jesus prophet or God

[don532]

I think maybe I misunderstood you, I thought we were talking about how do we know Jesus' message was preserved, and i think now you meant that you see the same message in the Gospels even without pauls writings.

Yes, that was what I meant.

With regards to your website, do you know what evidences they give for listing authors and dates?

That is only a website I found that conveniently listed the authors. I know there is and has been for a long time debate over the exact dates. I also realize there is some debate about some authorships. If you have a resource you could share that could show me what some of that debate is that you accept as accurate, I would like to understand more about that perspective.

I know who Bruce Metzger is, but I haven't read any of his books. I remember he was an authority on Greek and helped with translation of the RSV bible and a couple of others.

 

[Redeemed]

this seems to only be comprhensible to christians. i must admit, i do not understand it either and long ago gave up trying.

To be honest with you, I am not sure I understand it either. I kind of look at it like we have a body that is us; we have a spirit and that is us, or like water and the different forms it can come into - ice, gas and liquid. I think this is a poor analogy, but it is the only thing I can think of to relate it too. I for one just don't think it is wise to reject some concept just beacause I can't understand it. I don't understand related tech, but that doesn't stop me from turning on the light so I could see. I just take it by faith and not by what I can reason on. I believe walking by faith is better than a know way.

 

[snakelegs]

To be honest with you, I am not sure I understand it either. I kind of look at it like we have a body that is us; we have a spirit and that is us, or like water and the different forms it can come into - ice, gas and liquid. I think this is a poor analogy, but it is the only thing I can think of to relate it too. I for one just don't think it is wise to reject some concept just beacause I can't understand it. I don't understand related tech, but that doesn't stop me from turning on the light so I could see. I just take it by faith and not by what I can reason on. I believe walking by faith is better than a know way.

i agree that faith is very different than knowing.
as i said before, i haven't really tried to grasp it - i can't because i don't believe in it. it isn't even a matter of accepting or rejecting.
personally, i reject all religions, though some are more interesting to me than others.

 

[Redeemed]

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu

i'm not sure they "comprehend" it either. it seems more like a mantra!
[just keep repeating it until you believe it; there's no place like home, there's no place like home, etc...]mg:

To be honest with you, I am not sure I understand it either, but it is not a mantra. As I have mentioned, I kind of look at it like we have a body that is us; we have a spirit and that is us, or like water and the different forms it can come into - ice, gas and liquid. I think this is a poor analogy, but it is the only thing I can think of to relate it too. I for one just don't think it is wise to reject some concept just beacause I can't understand it. I don't understand related tech, but that doesn't stop me from turning on the light so I could see. I just take it by faith and not by what I can reason on. I believe walking by faith is better than a know way.

 

[Umar001]

That is only a website I found that conveniently listed the authors. I know there is and has been for a long time debate over the exact dates. I also realize there is some debate about some authorships. If you have a resource you could share that could show me what some of that debate is that you accept as accurate, I would like to understand more about that perspective.

Well from what I have seen the debates area mainly stipulation with no concrete evidences.

So you don't know if that site is right? I dont see any internal evidence to say the least that the authors of at least the 3 Sypnotic Gospels are first hand witnesses.

Anyhow, it'd be interesting to see how people can back up authorship and time claims.

I know who Bruce Metzger is, but I haven't read any of his books. I remember he was an authority on Greek and helped with translation of the RSV bible and a couple of others.

If I am not mistaken he was a leader of a group who translted and revised the Good News Bible? I think, I saw it at my families church which kind of made me want to read and see what it said.

I've been trying to get a book of his for a while, but the Christian bookshop dont think sell the book, :X

 

[Redeemed]

i agree that faith is very different than knowing.
as i said before, i haven't really tried to grasp it - i can't because i don't believe in it. it isn't even a matter of accepting or rejecting.
personally, i reject all religions, though some are more interesting to me than others.

As I ws trying to say I just take it by faith and not by what I can reason on. There is a way that seems right to a man, but that way leads to death. I believe walking by faith is better than a known way. I believe that it is impossible to please God without faith Those that come to Him must believe that He is and is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Just cause you don't believe doesn't mean it is not true for you. Look around man the heavens declare God's glory. It is appointed onto man once to die then comes the judgment.

 

[Balthasar21]

According to Islam Muslims says he a prophet some christians says he the son of god and some call him god himself .

 

[azc]

Could The Prophet Jesus AS Create Everything Out Of Nothing ?

No, He couldn't anything...

 

[Eric H]

i agree that faith is very different than knowing.
as i said before, i haven't really tried to grasp it - i can't because i don't believe in it. it isn't even a matter of accepting or rejecting.
personally, i reject all religions, though some are more interesting to me than others.

I remember snakelegs with fondness, since she passed away.

blessings
Eric

 

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[azc]

https://shabirally.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/did-jesus-claim-deity/