Moves to marginalise extremists

[Keltoi]

they should begin by banning organizations like the KKK and Neo Nazis
then talk about the rest - i mean begin with the OBIVIOUS extremists and hate mongers

The KKK and the Neo-Nazis are allowed to say what they want, they are not allowed to do what they want. The primary danger of extremism is in extremist action. At this point in history, the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups promote hate through speech, not violence, at least for the most part.

 

[SirZubair]

Kind of just like the East.
There are always people that want war.
East, West, there are war mungers in both places.

Whats your suggestion on that issue? We put a dictator like Bush in power (just as Sadam was ) to keep the peace in the east?

Well,...THAT is the case right now, and its not working too well.

 

[siFilam]

East, West, there are war mungers in both places.

I agree with him and I can't believe I just did. there r devils on both sides advocating violence although I think there are more on the West than east.

-SI-

 

[siFilam]

:salamext:

Whats your suggestion on that issue? We put a dictator like Bush in power (just as Sadam was ) to keep the peace in the east?

Well,...THAT is the case right now, and its not working too well.

There is no comprehensive peace until Islamic Shariah reigns and righteous people are in charge of leadership.

Wasalam
-SI-

 

[Cognescenti]

Whats your suggestion on that issue? We put a dictator like Bush in power (just as Sadam was ) to keep the peace in the east?

Well,...THAT is the case right now, and its not working too well.

"Dictator"???? Maybe you should add some vitamin "O" for "objectivity" in your diet.

I have to say I am getting a bit anxious that chaps who think like you are all over the place...New Zealand, Canada, New York..the UK. I'm not talking about Islam, either...I am talking about virulent hatred.

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

I think we need bi-polar world again, one world power doesn't work out, we need a balance

 

[snakelegs]

I think we need bi-polar world again, one world power doesn't work out, we need a balance

i agree! and who would have ever thought we would miss the soviet union!?

 

[siFilam]

i agree! and who would have ever thought we would miss the soviet union!?

I don't miss the soviet union. As Muslims we need to reclaim our religion and bring this much needed balance.
But who am I kidding, we're going further down as days goes by.

wasalam
-SI-

 

[snakelegs]

don't you think it was a safer world when there were 2 super-powers to balance each other and hold each other in check, (even tho there were proxy wars)? i do. even though i was no admirer of the soviet union.

 

[siFilam]

don't you think it was a safer world when there were 2 super-powers to balance each other and hold each other in check, (even tho there were proxy wars)? i do. even though i was no admirer of the soviet union.

I think I wasn't clear. 2 super power might do the job, Allah knows best. But not soviet union again, but in its a place a true Islamic country.
Allah knows best.

-SI-

 

[SirZubair]

Edit : *Sigh* nevermind. I am not in the mood to make anyone cry. Not even someone who thinks he has 'figured' me out by reading one of my posts.

 

[akulion]

The KKK and the Neo-Nazis are allowed to say what they want, they are not allowed to do what they want. The primary danger of extremism is in extremist action. At this point in history, the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups promote hate through speech, not violence, at least for the most part.

irrespective I think all extremist groups should be banned
Hate whether verbal or in actions is wrong and leads to animosity between people which as a result may lead to violence

 

[Pygoscelis]

I'm all in favour of Muslims marginalizing the nasty faction within Islam and making it "not muslim" in the public eye.

But this part of the article is a bit alarming

Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly will announce a new role for the Charity Commission, strengthening its task of overseeing religious institutions.

The Charity Commision? What is that? Is this part of that "faith based initiative" garbage? Charities should exist for the SOLE purpose of charity and charities with any religion attached to them should get zero public funding.

Charity with a "message" attached is brainwashing, plain and simple, and very ugly brainwashing at that. I don't want to see the public purse funding the religious exploitation of desperate people.

 

[Cognescenti]

Edit : *Sigh* nevermind. I am not in the mood to make anyone cry. Not even someone who thinks he has 'figured' me out by reading one of my posts.

You may be right. I may have misjudged you after two posts. After all, "dictator" does have more than one meaning. If by "dictator" you meant that the democratically elected President of the longest surviving democracy (excluding a few Swiss Cantons) in the world prefers to "dictate" letters rather than write them by hand, I humbly apologize.

 

[Talha777]

It doesn't have to be one Khalifah for the entire Muslim Ummah.

This is totally false. There can only be one khalifa for all the Muslims. Huzoor (Sall Allahu alaihi wa salaam) said that if there are two ameers with whom the people have taken bayat, than the second ameer should be killed.

Iran is the only Islamic state I know of, and there are dozens and dozens of Muslim states, which means we have a lot of work to do. Our eventual goal should be the erasing of all borders between Muslim majority regions and the establishment of one khilafat. The immediate obstacle to this noble goal is Western hegemony over the Muslims.

 

[Uthman]

Huzoor (Sall Allahu alaihi wa salaam) said that if there are two ameers with whom the people have taken bayat, than the second ameer should be killed.

Sister, where did he say this? Is it in a hadith? Can I have a reference?

 

[Talha777]

Sister, where did he say this? Is it in a hadith? Can I have a reference?

I am not a sister.

"It was the duty of every Prophet that has gone before me to guide his followers to what he knew was good for them and warn them against what he knew was bad for them; but this Ummah of yours has its days of peace and (security) in the beginning of its career, and in the last phase of its existence it will be afflicted with trials and with things disagreeable to you. (In this phase of the Umma), there will be tremendous trials one after the other, each making the previous one dwindle into insignificance. When they would be afflicted with a trial, the believer would say: This is going to bring about my destruction. When at (the trial) is over, they would be afflicted with another trial, and the believer would say: This surely is going to be my end. Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and enter the garden should die with faith in Allaah and the Last Day and should treat the people as he wishes to be treated by them. He who swears allegiance to a Caliph should give him the pledge of his hand and the sincerity of his heart (i. e. submit to him both outwardly as well as inwardly). He should obey him to the best of his capacity. If another man comes forward (as a claimant to Caliphate), disputing his authority, they (the Muslims) should behead the latter." (Sahih Muslim, Book of Government)

 

[Uthman]

Sorry, Brother. And thanks for posting it.

 

[Cognescenti]

This is totally false. There can only be one khalifa for all the Muslims. Huzoor (Sall Allahu alaihi wa salaam) said that if there are two ameers with whom the people have taken bayat, than the second ameer should be killed.

Iran is the only Islamic state I know of, and there are dozens and dozens of Muslim states, which means we have a lot of work to do. Our eventual goal should be the erasing of all borders between Muslim majority regions and the establishment of one khilafat. The immediate obstacle to this noble goal is Western hegemony over the Muslims.

"Western hegemony" :rollseyes As my grandmother might have said in this circumstance...."Gracious sakey day".

Talha...are you looking for work after you got laid off as Chairman Mao's speech writer? "Hegemeony"??

If there is a caliphate deficiency in the Muslim world right now it is not the fault of "Westerners". What do you propose to do with the Sunni/Shia split? On the small scale, when the Brits began pulling out of Basra the Mahdi Army types began fighting other Shia. The problem won't be two emirs...it will be 200 emirs. There will have to be a whole lotta beheadin' goin' on, it seems. You might have more luck hoping for a time machine to take you back a dozen centuries or so to the last caliphate.

 

[SirZubair]

Tell your grandmother to put a sock in it.

Having said that, keep an eye on her, we don't want her to choke or nothing like that...
you on the other hand........

If there is a caliphate deficiency in the Muslim world right now it is not the fault of "Westerners".

No, it is not completely the fault of the West. Partly, yes it is.

what do you propose to do with the Sunni/Shia split?

Get 'your' troops out of there to begin with, and then let the Sunnis and Shias sort out their problems. Their problems are nothing to do with the west, so the west should stick their beaks out of it.

Go on, entertain me again by telling me how much virulent hatred i have in my heart. I'll go and get the popcorn ready.