Breaking News: We gathered Intelligence on Iran

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deen_2007 said:
overall the british government have dug their own grave now!
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In what way? The whole thing is a 'nothing' story. Of course they were gathering "intelligence" if by that you mean asking any local fisherman they might happen to bump into about what the Iranians might be up to. Not exactly James Bond, is it? The Iranians will have been doing exactly the same thing.

Asking fishermen a few questions does not constitute 'spying'!
 
A day in which both countries will claim to have been victorious.
 
Seems awfully peculiar though eh?

The US government telling the press about US spy operations. Isn't that sposed to be secret?
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
No, they would just take 444 days to get anyone out.... US - eless or what....:rollseyes

That is what they stand for...
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If I recall, that was Jimmy Carter than didnt have the gall to get his people back. USA is how I would spell it, but hey, you hate what you hate. When Reagan came in, the iranians seemed to sing a different tune.

Personally, I would hope that we would not allow our soldiers to go without a fight.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
No, they would just take 444 days to get anyone out.... US - eless or what....:rollseyes

That is what they stand for...
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Those hostages, during the Carter era, weren't soldiers on patrol. There is a huge difference between diplomats and soldiers when it comes to kidnappings.
 
Keltoi said:
Those hostages, during the Carter era, weren't soldiers on patrol. There is a huge difference between diplomats and soldiers when it comes to kidnappings.
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A life is a life, you wouldn't know that though...
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
A life is a life, you wouldn't know that though...
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Not sure what that was supposed to mean. Of course a life is a life in the philosophical sense, but we are talking about foreign policy. The kidnapping of soldiers by other soldiers is usually considered an act of war. I know the U.S. military would never have allowed their sailors to be kidnapped unless they had no other choice.

No offense to the Brits, but what happened to name, rank, and serial number?
 
Keltoi said:
Not sure what that was supposed to mean. Of course a life is a life in the philosophical sense, but we are talking about foreign policy. The kidnapping of soldiers by other soldiers is usually considered an act of war. I know the U.S. military would never have allowed their sailors to be kidnapped unless they had no other choice.

No offense to the Brits, but what happened to name, rank, and serial number?
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Diplomacy was used you yanks can't accept that. You rebublicans are fools. I hope you lot lose sons and daughters in the same way they die in Iraq. Our troops and civilians. Only then I would feel better.:raging:
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
Diplomacy was used you yanks can't accept that. You rebublicans are fools. I hope you lot lose sons and daughters in the same way they die in Iraq. Our troops and civilians. Only then I would feel better.:raging:
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Actually I'm glad diplomacy was used. My point was about allowing the hostages to be taken in the first place. As for "you republicans", if it is a Republican trait to frown upon the kidnapping of U.S. or British soldiers than I'm glad to call myself one. As for my sons and daughters I don't have any, but I do have family currently in Iraq. I know people who have died there. I don't need a lecture from you about war either.
 
I would like to see what the 15 soldiers say, now that they are in Britian, regarding their apology. They just might stand by it and say that they were actually in Iranian waters.
 
Kidman said:
I would like to see what the 15 soldiers say, now that they are in Britian, regarding their apology. They just might stand by it and say that they were actually in Iranian waters.
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I think they'll stand by their apology. So far they havent said anything about being forced to apologise on international television.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Diplomacy was used you yanks can't accept that. You rebublicans are fools. I hope you lot lose sons and daughters in the same way they die in Iraq. Our troops and civilians. Only then I would feel better.:raging:
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OK...I have posts deleted for being "off-topic", yet this kind of grabage is tolerated????
 
Far7an said:
A day in which both countries will claim to have been victorious.
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That was the necessary ingredient for a diplomatic solution.

Quite likely, the "rules of engagement" will change for the Royal Navy after this. "It won't happen again" will mean "don't try it again or we will start shooting".
 
Philosopher said:
I think they'll stand by their apology. So far they havent said anything about being forced to apologise on international television.
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Er, no..

Royal Navy personnel seized by Iran were blindfolded, bound and held in isolation during their 13 days in captivity, the crew have said.
They were also subject to random interrogation and rough handling, and faced constant psychological pressure.

In a joint statement the crew also stressed that they were inside Iraqi waters at the time of the capture.

Royal Marine Captain Chris Air said it became apparent that opposing their captors was "not an option."

"If we had, some of us would not be here today, of that I am completely sure," he said.

"We realised that had we resisted there would have been a major fight, one we could not have won and with consequences major strategic impacts.

"We made a conscious decision not to engage the Iranians and do as they asked," he said.

The crew said they spent nights in stone cells, sleeping on piles of blankets and were kept in isolation until their last few nights.

They were also lined up against a wall while weapons were cocked, making them "fear the worst".
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As expected, of course. As will be the chorus of "well, they were told to say that" from the Iranian fan-club. Who is the "pathetic lying scum" now? Whoever you choose to believe it is, same as always.
 
salaam
why are they saying that they were blindfolded and tortured now when
36hrs ago they were saying how lovley the were treated by the Iranians?
wa salaam
 
sister-aisha said:
salaam
why are they saying that they were blindfolded and tortured now when
36hrs ago they were saying how lovley the were treated by the Iranians?
wa salaam
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Because they find it so hard to accept that someone different from them can be kind lol
 
sister-aisha said:
salaam
why are they saying that they were blindfolded and tortured now when
36hrs ago they were saying how lovley the were treated by the Iranians?
wa salaam
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Because 36 hours ago they were in Iran.

I don't see any accusations of "torture", 'just' psychological pressure although of course in extreme cases the latter can become the former. As I've said before that was obvious, as without same they would not have "confessed" or "apologised" even if they HAD been in Iranian waters.
 
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