Breaking News: We gathered Intelligence on Iran

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One of them said
"We were blindfolded, our hands were bound, we were forced up against a wall," that's what i meant be torture
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Royal Navy personnel seized by Iran were blindfolded, bound and held in isolation during their 13 days in captivity, the crew have said.
They were also subject to random interrogation and rough handling, and faced constant psychological pressure.

In a joint statement the crew also stressed that they were inside Iraqi waters at the time of the capture.

Royal Marine Captain Chris Air said it became apparent that opposing their captors was "not an option."

"If we had, some of us would not be here today, of that I am completely sure," he said.

"We realised that had we resisted there would have been a major fight, one we could not have won and with consequences major strategic impacts.

"We made a conscious decision not to engage the Iranians and do as they asked," he said.

The crew said they spent nights in stone cells, sleeping on piles of blankets and were kept in isolation until their last few nights.

They were also lined up against a wall while weapons were cocked, making them "fear the worst".
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This isn't a matter about who is right or wrong, it is about belief. I can easily say that they were given the option of being tortured or confess that they were in Iranian waters. In that case, an individual who fears the idea of torture, will easily give in to the temptation of being set free as long as they comply with the opposition. Similarly, the argument can also be taken from the other side. Perhaps, upon returning home, the Navy personnel were once again threatened, not by the Iranians, but by the British government to publicize certain sentences that would antagonize the Iranian government. It could also be that they were being bribed.

The idea is very possible if you ponder upon the situation.

If you are looking to see which country is right, you might as well try to figure out who ate the egg. Boy A has traces of egg shells where he is sitting and Boy B has evidence of the yolk on his shirt. Either way, you can't very well say Boy A is right or Boy B is right.

People have a way of doubting confessions regardless of the situation they are in.

In the end, its up to what you believe in. Either you can be a patriot and believe that your country is right in the matter, or you can examine the evidence and conclude on the matter present yourself.

And if you are wondering what I believe, then keep wondering.
Certain people on this forum hold grudges and I don't want anyone holding anything against me.

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noodles said:
This isn't a matter about who is right or wrong, it is about belief. I can easily say that they were given the option of being tortured or confess that they were in Iranian waters. In that case, an individual who fears the idea of torture, will easily give in to the temptation of being set free as long as they comply with the opposition. Similarly, the argument can also be taken from the other side. Perhaps, upon returning home, the Navy personnel were once again threatened, not by the Iranians, but by the British government to publicize certain sentences that would antagonize the Iranian government. It could also be that they were being bribed.

The idea is very possible if you ponder upon the situation.

If you are looking to see which country is right, you might as well try to figure out who ate the egg. Boy A has traces of egg shells where he is sitting and Boy B has evidence of the yolk on his shirt. Either way, you can't very well say Boy A is right or Boy B is right.

People have a way of doubting confessions regardless of the situation they are in.

In the end, its up to what you believe in. Either you can be a patriot and believe that your country is right in the matter, or you can examine the evidence and conclude on the matter present yourself.

And if you are wondering what I believe, then keep wondering.
Certain people on this forum hold grudges and I don't want anyone holding anything against me.

:w:
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I will have to side with the astronomically much higher probability of iran misbehaving here. Especially when you consider that these people are now in a country where they easily say what they want to whatever media source
 
noodles said:
Either you can be a patriot and believe that your country is right in the matter, or you can examine the evidence and conclude on the matter present yourself.
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Of course, such an examination may well result in the conclusion that your country is, in fact, right in the matter. Such is certainly my own opinion here.
 
ACC said:
I will have to side with the astronomically much higher probability of iran misbehaving here. Especially when you consider that these people are now in a country where they easily say what they want to whatever media source
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No matter how high the probability, the possibility of English government controlling its media is still there. It could be that they are way smarter than the Iranian government in terms of secrecy and their plots.

Like I said, evidences(whats the plural of evidence?) are questionable, so are confessions.

Once again, I'm not siding with anyone here so please don't say "your government blah di blah di bah..." because clearly it is not mine.


P.S I really think you should watch the movie V for Vendetta. Although it has nothing to do with this, it has a nice plot twist that people here would like.
 
Every government tries to control it's media. If the media publishes something the government doesn't want, the rest of the media gets involved. Either way the media and government work hand in hand.
 
DeepOcean said:
Every government tries to control it's media. If the media publishes something the government doesn't want, the rest of the media gets involved. Either way the media and government work hand in hand.
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Da, why do I keep seeing anti Bush stuff in the US media?
 
I'm talking mainly about UK media. Freedom of speech is still allowed. Oh yeah, apart from muslims. As soon as they open their mouth they are arrested for terrorism.
 
DeepOcean said:
I'm talking mainly about UK media. Freedom of speech is still allowed. Oh yeah, appart from muslims. As soon as they open their mouth they are arrested for terrorism.
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You mean when they open their mouth and call for violence and terrorism?
 
Keltoi said:
The U.S. media has no master except their corporate interests.
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Thanks for that. It is soooooooooooooooooooooooo obvious. :thumbs_up
Why do some find that not true? :skeleton:
I guess you just have to close your eyes. :?
 
Keltoi said:
You mean when they open their mouth and call for violence and terrorism?
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No. When they just open there mouth and say the words: 'america' or 'war' etc. Mind you, they don't have to say anything. The criteria is a beard, even then it doesn't matter
 
noodles said:
No matter how high the probability, the possibility of English government controlling its media is still there. It could be that they are way smarter than the Iranian government in terms of secrecy and their plots.

Like I said, evidences(whats the plural of evidence?) are questionable, so are confessions.

Once again, I'm not siding with anyone here so please don't say "your government blah di blah di bah..." because clearly it is not mine.


P.S I really think you should watch the movie V for Vendetta. Although it has nothing to do with this, it has a nice plot twist that people here would like.
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I understand your point, but this is not a court of law, so we are permitted to bring in our own life experiences in making judgements. It is possible that the Niagra River may start flowing up the falls tomorrow, but based on considerable empirical evidence, I judge this to be very unlikely.

There are a number of lines of evidence that undermine the Iranian claim.

1) One of the video "confessions" is clearly edited. The speaker is seen to be looking off camera for evident instruction on repeated occaisions.

2) The preposterous "Dear Mum" letters from Able Rate Tunney

3) The Iranians changed their story after the initial coordiantes they provided were proven to be in Iraqi waters (this one hurts bad)

4) The Royal Navy Lt said today his "confession" was edited

5) No representive of the Red Cross or the UK was permitted to visit them

6) Iranian history...The American hostage crisis..the capture of British sailors in 04. Iranian support for Hezbollah and their loing track record of hostage-taking. The Iranians were caught in a bald-faced lie to the IAEC re enrichement.

7) A conspiracy among fifteen servicepeople to concoct a story about their treatment now that they are out in the free world is preposterous. Imagine the incentive to spill the beans.

8) Rivers tend to keep flowing in the direction have been flowing in.
 
DeepOcean said:
No. When they just open there mouth and say the words: 'america' or 'war' etc. Mind you, they don't have to say anything. The criteria is a beard, even then it doesn't matter
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Da, it must be against the law to be a Muslim. :?
If it is so bad, why do Muslims keep comming? :?
 
noodles said:
No matter how high the probability, the possibility of English government controlling its media is still there.
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Of course, although but that possibility is far more remote than in Iran simply because of the nature of the respective governments and judicial systems.

Realistically, as in Canada I suspect, the media would need to co-operate in the process. Some media organs might, but others would not short of the direst national emergency - which this wasn't.
 
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