Moves to marginalise extremists

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Bravo brother Zubair. We should all be more bold to tell these non-Muslims they have no business meddling in our affairs.
 
What i find to be really funny (actually, it is Not funny at all), When a Shaykh/Imam makes a statement in a Non-muslim country ( For example, Shaykh Taj, The Mufti Of Australiasia ) he is bombarded with hate mail, the media hunts him down like a pig to the extent that he ended up in hospital because of the amount of stress that he was piled under because the media had taken his statements out of context and presented it to the world in such a way that he was made out to be a sexist prick.

A Muslim scholar cannot even express his views in a non-muslim country without being crapped all over.

Yet,... The U.S.A military invades ( oh sorry... 'liberates' ) 2 Muslim Countries. When we oppose their invasion, we have people coming online, on muslim forums, telling us how to go about our business.

And then he crosses the line and tells me what i have in my heart. :rollseyes Well, he was waaaay off the mark.

I can say for sure he has crap for brains.
 
I fully agree with what Shaikh Hilali of Australia said, and sincerely wish he didn't retract his statements. We need to become brave enough not to be intimidated by non-Muslims.
 
I'm going to play nice here, but my question here is to non-muslims.

How many of you have actually listened to the sermons being delivered on Fridays?

I bet most of you haven't heard a single one.

The media in effect seizes every opportunity to make itself shine. It feeds on the on people that find these conflicts interesting. I should say, I find it interesting how every one of you Quotes newspapers and articles online, but not a single one of you have provided a link to a recorded sermon delivered by an Imam/Sheikh that is labeled as an "extremist"
 
I fully endorse taking the rabid and violent fundamentalists of all stripes (Muslim, Christian, Nationalist, Racist, KKK, etc) and locking them all in the same room together. They all by definition hate each other, so we can expect some great entertainment. We can sell tickets and Pay Per View rights and fund the reconstruction of Iraq.

Whaddyasay?
 
In all seriousness, one who are defending the west, do answer this part of the Question.

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I'm going to play nice here, but my question here is to non-muslims.

How many of you have actually listened to the sermons being delivered on Fridays?

I bet most of you haven't heard a single one.

The media in effect seizes every opportunity to make itself shine. It feeds on the on people that find these conflicts interesting. I should say, I find it interesting how every one of you Quotes newspapers and articles online, but not a single one of you have provided a link to a recorded sermon delivered by an Imam/Sheikh that is labeled as an "extremist"
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You obviously haven't seen a lot of Friday sermons. These kinds of topics are very basic, they may be frequent in places in the West where people are new to Islam and need to know such basic things. There's nothing wrong with bringing up political issues at a Friday sermon, Islam is a political religion, because politics has a major effect on morality and spirituality.
 
Talha777 said:
You obviously haven't seen a lot of Friday sermons. These kinds of topics are very basic, they may be frequent in places in the West where people are new to Islam and need to know such basic things. There's nothing wrong with bringing up political issues at a Friday sermon, Islam is a political religion, because politics has a major effect on morality and spirituality.
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Fair enough...but it is one thing to advocate against abortion or against war or in favor of greater government support for the poor etc., etc. These topics all have both political and moral or social justice features. It is quite another matter to call for violence or to defame an entire country or an entire religion....oh...I don't know...let's say for eg., Judaism. That hardly seems a spiritual issue to me. For eg., in the intifada, in Palestine, Friday always seems to be a bad day. If the speaker demonizes Jews and whips the "worshipers" into a violent frenzy, how, exactly, is that furthering the cause of Islam? In the PBS documentary, the sermons were clearly being used to incite anger (chiefly against Israel and US support for Israel) in order to stir the passions of the "worshipers" and then, at the end, there would be a call for donations. It was baldy manipulative, the kind of things a general might say to his troops on the eve of battle. Jingoism...demonizing an opponent...etc etc. Keep in mind, these were mosques in the US.

This kind of thing has no place in a house of worship, in my opinion.
 
I don't know about the US, but all the mosques I've gone to for Friday prayers in the UK hardly mention politics, and if they do, it's to pray to help our brothers in Palestine, Iraq, etc (in the context of, 'Please God, don't let them die, stop their suffering', rather than 'pls God, kill da enemies!!!111One LOLZ')

Pygoscelis said:
I fully endorse taking the rabid and violent fundamentalists of all stripes (Muslim, Christian, Nationalist, Racist, KKK, etc) and locking them all in the same room together. They all by definition hate each other, so we can expect some great entertainment. We can sell tickets and Pay Per View rights and fund the reconstruction of Iraq.

Whaddyasay?
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Chuck in Hulk Hogan and Mr T for added entertainment, and we've got a deal!

(note: neither Hulk Hogan or Mr T are violent extremists, it would just be fun to see them open a can of whupass on crazy violent people hiding behind religion)
 
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Fair enough...but it is one thing to advocate against abortion or against war or in favor of greater government support for the poor etc., etc. These topics all have both political and moral or social justice features. It is quite another matter to call for violence or to defame an entire country or an entire religion....oh...I don't know...let's say for eg., Judaism. That hardly seems a spiritual issue to me. For eg., in the intifada, in Palestine, Friday always seems to be a bad day. If the speaker demonizes Jews and whips the "worshipers" into a violent frenzy, how, exactly, is that furthering the cause of Islam? In the PBS documentary, the sermons were clearly being used to incite anger (chiefly against Israel and US support for Israel) in order to stir the passions of the "worshipers" and then, at the end, there would be a call for donations. It was baldy manipulative, the kind of things a general might say to his troops on the eve of battle. Jingoism...demonizing an opponent...etc etc. Keep in mind, these were mosques in the US.

This kind of thing has no place in a house of worship, in my opinion.
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Calling for war is justified if it is a just war. Islam is not a pacifist religion, we don't believe in turning the other cheek. We believe that the recompense of an injury is an injury the like thereof. We believe in self-defense and if that is what is being advocated in the mosques, I have no problem with it.

In Palestine, as you are mentioning, it is non-Muslims who happen to be Jews who are massacring Muslims en masse. Muslims cannot stand idly by and let these people go on a killing rampage. We believe in justice and truth, we believe that state of israel was established without our consent on our land, and we have the right to oppose it and to destroy it, and we will, insha Allah. We are not evil hate-mongers, we believe in peace, truth, and justice, and we will prevail, by the grace of our Lord.

It doesn't matter where the mosques are, our Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salaam) said that the community of believers is like a body, if one part is in pain, the entire body feels the effects. For us religion takes precedence over all worldly affairs, over all national, racial, ethnic, and tribal identities.
 
Talha777 said:


Pacifist means someone who rejects violence under all circumstances. Gandhi is considered the epitome of a pacifism. But few people know that because of Gandhi's pacifist principles he opposed World War II against Nazi Germany. He said that the Jews and other victims of the Nazis should have peaceful nonviolent resistance against them. In my opinion, pacifism is not something positive, it is something which is greatly immoral. If you consider Islam not being pacifist a bad thing, I wander what you think of America, which is unprovokingly attacking innocent unarmed Muslims and massacring innocent children.
Now I request that wilberhum's above post be removed by the admins. Jazak Allah khair.
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Well if the whole world was pacifist what would the world be? Peaceful. If the world acted the way you would, what would the whole world be? I am pretty sure gone from Nuclear war.
 
Well if the whole world was pacifist what would the world be? Peaceful. If the world acted the way you would, what would the whole world be? I am pretty sure gone from Nuclear war.
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If the whole world believed in peace and self-defense when necessary the world would be peaceful. If part of the world believed in violence to further their evil agenda (i.e. the West), and part of the world believed in unconditional nonviolence (the Muslims), would there be peace? One side would take advantage of the other and there would be grave injustice in the world. Peace is not just the absence of war and violence, peace is the absence of injustice and a threat of war. This is the type of peace which Islam advocates. Unconditional nonviolence in the face of the Western military onslaught is immoral and evil.
 
Rightio. Can we all get back to discussing the story in the first post? People tend to get shirty when I delete dozens of their posts in one swoop.
 
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Rightio. Can we all get back to discussing the story in the first post? People tend to get shirty when I delete dozens of their posts in one swoop.
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Wait..you don't think a discussion of "extremist" sermons is germane to the original article..which was about extremist speech. :-)
 
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Please stay on the original topic.
 
Talha777 said:


I hate the lifestyle of my homeland.



Why?

A word of advice, stop being racist and xenophobic. You need to move to Denmark.
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Why do I need to move to Denmark? I do think Denmark is better than the US, but the US is home and I love it.
Why am I a racist, is the "I hate you" group a race? . I don't even know what race you are.
Xenophobic? I welcome every one, if they are legal, and don't hate us.
I don’t hate you, you hate us, that’s why I would like to see you leave.
You are all over this form preaching hate. You are a sad sick person who needs serious help. Your hate will destroy you and make you nothing but a miserable person.

If you don’t learn to control your hate, it will destroy you.

Please seek help.
 
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